Hi,
Still finding it hard to answer simple questions? Balthasar, you have outdone yourself.
Do you find it such a difficulty in understanding? I will repost my post in the hope that you find the inspiration to answer and not sway.
Anyhow can see that any hadith brought to me, I will need to know the authenticity of, if I don't know what hadith book it comes from how can I even know the authenticity?
Instead of predicting my moves, and calling my replies sermons why don't you refute or correct me, all you say is 'its obvious..' but you don't show anything. You have shown the inability to provide the direct sources, i.e. match the hadith with the individual book name it is found in and numbers which corrispond to it.
You gave a list of names ending with ect. you wanted me to search over a dozen volumes when you could yourself just have provided them since I assume you read them before?
This is where you truly are showing your ignorance, first I have shown you where the Qur'an has endorsed the following of Muhammad. You have yet to reply to it, I asked you again whether your silence on the matter was approval and you have taken days and all you come up with is asking the question again and not replying to my answer.
It's there for you Balthasar.
Your equating of Hadith with the Words of Men is indicative of youron the subject at hand, where you would know, that the authentic ahadith [pl.hadith] are the words of Muhammad which the Qur'an endorses, they have been only preserved by men, same as the Qur'an has been preserved by men, men was one of the tools Allah used for preservation of his religion.
1. I didn't reply to those ahadith, Qatada did, if he wants to do his research he can, I rather get it from you so I don't end up reading the wrong hadith.
2. Why has it been so difficult for you to find them?
Having said the above, I have always thought to let you speak, maybe Balthasar might know something I said to myself, maybe he can correct me. But such thoughts were in vain.
I will put forth proposals, which if you do not comply to you will be banned, not because we are 'scared of the truth' since all you have brought forward has already been discussed and brought here by people before you, not very original I must say, so that's not the reason.
The request stands as:
1. You provide fully and totally the references, like I have done, i.e. Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 408, for each of the hadith you have brought forward. If this is not done then it will be seen as preaching without knowledge which will result in your leaving.
2. You accused me of changing what you said to what I wanted you to say, I replied:
Show what I changed/misinterpreted so that I may apologise, failure to show will result in your leaving.
Balthasar, I cannot say I have much faith in a beneficial reply from yourself, it has been interesting meeting you
and I hope that you manage to learn something someday. I will say that at least now it's clear, and everyone can see your 'truth'. And praise is to Almighty God for that.
School time's over.
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