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Peace to all those who follow righteous guidance.
Lets have a civil discussion of our views and beliefs.
NO SLANDERING OR DISRESPECTING OF A PERSONS VIEWS WILL BE TOLERATED !
What makes you so sure that your faith is the correct one?
note: Keep in mind i strongly believe that those who are not of the islamic faith believing purely in One God and not associating partners with him, will end up in the hell-fire.
I don't know what makes me so sure that Islam is right. But I definitely am sure! That might sound like a ridiculous answer, and it probably is but I'm being honest.
It's not ridiculous at all. Many religious as well as irreligious people feel that way about their beliefs.format_quote Originally Posted by Osman
no i actually really loved that answer.format_quote Originally Posted by Osman
Makes me wonder how many people can be sure that they are really right...
My whole Life was an simple yet so different life as others , I have been In Trials Wich I have never seen with people I know ,
Plus I had A "Thing" in Me Wich Forbade Me To fall In MAjor Sins in the Past, Alhamdullilah
And I believe That WHatever Happened In the Past HAs Made Me What I am Today "A Muslim'', And I believe If Those Things Didnt Happen In the Past I would be Whole Different Person.
I Truly Truly Believe That I have been Guided Alhamdullilah , I Noticed The Guidance But yet Its Still been too difficult To me not to fall In sins. May Allah Forgive Us.
Let me say it Simple : I believe Islam Is The Truth and I believe That I have Truly NO other Choice than To believe In the Truth
The problem is that people of all religion feel that way and that brings us back to square one.format_quote Originally Posted by Osman
read this: http://azer.com/aiweb/categories/mag...s/92_tusi.htmlformat_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
Origin of Humans
Tusi believed that humans were derived from advanced animals. He wrote about the different transition forms between the human and animal world, saying: "Such humans [probably anthropoid apes] live in the Western Sudan and other distant corners of the world. They are close to animals by their habits, deeds and behavior."
Tusi said that humans are related to all living and inanimate creatures of Nature: "The human has features that distinguish him from other creatures, but he has other features that unite him with the animal world, vegetable kingdom or even with the inanimate bodies."
As to the differences, Tusi wrote that humans are not only biological, but also social beings: "Before [the creation of humans], all differences between organisms were of the natural origin. The next step will be associated with spiritual perfection, will, observation and knowledge."
According to Tusi, humans are distinct from animals because they are able to make professional tools (instruments). In conclusion, Tusi wrote: "All these facts prove that the human being is placed on the middle step of the evolutionary stairway. According to his inherent nature, the human is related to the lower beings, and only with the help of his will can he reach the higher development level."
Allegory or Science?
So why isn't Tusi widely known for developing the theory of evolution? It isn't just because he was from the East and wrote in Persian. Tusi's theory is based on philosophy and Islam. He believed that God created the world, and that after creation occurred, the world developed on its own, while God supervises and guides this process.
As a result, Eastern scientists who are familiar with Tusi's views about the perfection of the world have tended to interpret them from a religious or philosophical point of view. Many Muslims don't agree with the theory of evolution, just as some Christians don't, because it contradicts official theology. Although Tusi points at some of the same principles that Darwin developed, Eastern scientists consider Tusi's views as an allegory about the perfection of the human soul *not as naturalistic theory.
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promise its the last disturbance - but that is a very interesting find. Rep coming your way.
If only we could take out the feelings of the committed and sincere individual of every religion and weigh them out ehformat_quote Originally Posted by Tornado
i say that because i truelly believe each religion gives a different feeling, i may be wrong
Yea, I think you are wrong. The weight I would think is very much the same. Just as you strongly believe as a Muslim, there are people of other faiths that just as strongly believe as Christians, etc..format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakimIf only we could take out the feelings of the committed and sincere individual of every religion and weigh them out eh
i say that because i truelly believe each religion gives a different feeling, i may be wrong
That applies to atheism too, since you are enforcing a universal negative!
cheers
they might strongly believe in something but that something will give them a different feeling just as two different drinks have different tastes.format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado
Universal negative?format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
The topic states "what makes you so sure that "your" religion is right".
As an atheist, I'm not 100% sure I'm right. I only say I think there is no god. I see it as a sad truth that we don't have an afterlife to look forward to.
It's just the religious people of all faith are sure that what they believe in is right.
Yup! Read up on it!format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado
indeed... and atheism is what you have chosen as a 'way of life' which makes you a subscriber to an atheist doctrine.. really no different than any subscriber to any school of thought!The topic states "what makes you so sure that "your" religion is right".
subscribing to a religion doesn't mean you subscribe to an after life.. many in fact believe they transmigrate, reincarnated etc...As an atheist, I'm not 100% sure I'm right. I only say I think there is no god. I see it as a sad truth that we don't have an afterlife to look forward to.
It's just the religious people of all faith are sure that what they believe in is right.
from an earlier post of mine!
format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine'Will atheists ever give proof of God's nonexistence'-- since they with the burden of proof of course to find a logical manner to explain all that is in existence.. preferably under one canopy considering they are often fond of the 'principle of parsimony'... In the end they too are subject to infractions resulting from the fallacy of drawing an affirmative conclusion from a negative premise... If at the inception is a non-demonstrable theory of their own making (panspermia) (abiogenesis) etc.. they too are illogical and are followers of a man made doctrine....
'Which God' and 'why' is much too advanced a topic for folks who don't believe in God or I should say believe in a lesser God being (palpable science) only.. there is no point discussing finite details on the flight manual when you can't distinguish a bird from a plane..
Ultimately you have folks who have replaced Thor, or odin for Darwin or Dawkin et al.
at the end we are all pretty evenly matched... except some of us like to take provisions for the road!
cheers
that makes you an agnostic which leans towards atheism?format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado
i thought atheists coldly out-right deny God?
The Holy Quran is ALLAH Ta'alas speech given to our Holy Prophet Muhammad pbuh...format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoorIt all makes sense to me. The Prophets of Sikhism If compared to others, are unique. Also, all other Religions have Scriptures written by men not the Prophets, Sikhism, is the ONLY Relgion where the Prohets themselves have written the Holy Book. This to me SEALS it!
Yes but they have different versions of thier book. The Holy Quran has remained un altered since it was written...format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado
Agnostics are more neutral. They don't say there is a god nor do they say there isn't a god. I do think there is no god so that makes me an atheist.format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
Atheism isn't a way of life, just a lack of belief in god. There's nothing else that's universally common about atheists.
I'm sorry, I don't know how to multi-quote
" Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine View Post
'Will atheists ever give proof of God's nonexistence'-- since they with the burden of proof of course to find a logical manner to explain all that is in existence.. preferably under one canopy considering they are often fond of the 'principle of parsimony'... In the end they too are subject to infractions resulting from the fallacy of drawing an affirmative conclusion from a negative premise... If at the inception is a non-demonstrable theory of their own making (panspermia) (abiogenesis) etc.. they too are illogical and are followers of a man made doctrine....
'Which God' and 'why' is much too advanced a topic for folks who don't believe in God or I should say believe in a lesser God being (palpable science) only.. there is no point discussing finite details on the flight manual when you can't distinguish a bird from a plane..
Ultimately you have folks who have replaced Thor, or odin for Darwin or Dawkin et al.
at the end we are all pretty evenly matched... except some of us like to take provisions for the road!"
How do I explain all that is in existence? I can't. We're not smart enough to do that. It's all very confusing, who designed the "original designer", who designed that designer who designed "original designer"... I just don't know.
format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado
I know you don't... you'd rather assert a point to which you have no knowledge while deriding those who offer one!...
cheers
Would you accept that you could be wrong? There's a difference between offering one and saying it's definitely soformat_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
If I am I can deal with the consequences of my error.. can you?format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado
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