Prophet Jesus (pbuh) never drank Alcoholic Wine

**User_23338** · 02-23-2012

here are the links that explain this

there are 2 wines mentioned in the bible, wine is not just alcoholic, there is also non-alcoholic wine too.

this link is from a bible studies website

http://www.biblebc.com/Studies/Disci...rong_drink.htm

here's another

http://www.johnhamelministries.org/wine_lie_Jesus.htm

**Predator** · 02-25-2012

He never ate pork either and infact he destroyed 2000 pigs to heal one man

Pork was a great deliacy for Romans and thus the lies were being made in the Bible that Jesus said all food was clean

But these were lies as shown below

http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs...l-meats-clean/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sZlnsHFJgI

**GodIsAll** · 02-28-2012

I've heard this argument from some southern Baptists in America as well.

**Darth Ultor** · 02-28-2012

So is grape juice halal?

**GodIsAll** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by Darth Ultor

So is grape juice halal?

I wouldn't think so, just as long as it doesn't ferment!

**Who Am I?** · 02-28-2012

Eh, I don't think anything is wrong with alcohol itself. God made wheat and grapes, and the bacteria for fermentation.

It does have some medicinal properties. But like anything else, it can be misused and abused.

**GodIsAll** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by Who Am I?

Eh, I don't think anything is wrong with alcohol itself. God made wheat and grapes, and the bacteria for fermentation.

It does have some medicinal properties. But like anything else, it can be misused and abused.

Oh, I agree. Alcohol is a deadly influence for many people.

**Who Am I?** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by GodIsAll

Oh, I agree. Alcohol is a deadly influence for many people.

It is one of my greatest struggles. I coped with years of loneliness, boredom, and depression because of alcohol. I drank not because I wanted to, but because I thought I had to. For me it was the only way I could cope with my issues.

**GodIsAll** · 02-28-2012

I rarely drink.
I have found myself drinking more since the death of my mother a few months ago, though. It doesn't help. I just put it away a few weeks ago and found other more productive ways to deal with the loss.

**Who Am I?** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by GodIsAll

I rarely drink.
I have found myself drinking more since the death of my mother a few months ago, though. It doesn't help. I just put it away a few weeks ago and found other more productive ways to deal with the loss.

As you know, I tried to quit drinking last year, until some friends of mine staged a reverse intervention for me to start drinking again.

Now I am 30 days sober right now and it's getting tougher. I had some withdrawal headaches the other day. But I am talking to a sister right now and we're thinking about getting married, and she hates alcohol. So at least I have some motivation to not drink anymore...

**GodIsAll** · 02-28-2012

My wife of 15 years, a devout Southern Baptist, loathes it as well.

Good luck with your engagement proceedings! May the path for you two be as Allah will it.

**Who Am I?** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by GodIsAll

My wife of 15 years, a devout Southern Baptist, loathes it as well.

Good luck with your engagement proceedings! May the path for you two be as Allah will it.

My own mother is from a conservative Southern Baptist household and she hates alcohol also. My father used to drink, but he quit before I was born and has not touched it since.

Anyway, thanks, brother. It is all in Allah's hands...

**Pygoscelis** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by Who Am I?

Now I am 30 days sober right now and it's getting tougher. I had some withdrawal headaches the other day. But I am talking to a sister right now and we're thinking about getting married, and she hates alcohol. So at least I have some motivation to not drink anymore...

Congratulations on finding each other, and congratulations on your sobriety. Alcohol really can be destructive. I hardly ever touch the stuff. I don't like the feeling of losing control of my senses.

**Ramadhan** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by Darth Ultor

So is grape juice halal?

yes, grape juice is absolutely halal.

**Ramadhan** · 02-29-2012

Originally Posted by Who Am I?

Eh, I don't think anything is wrong with alcohol itself. God made wheat and grapes, and the bacteria for fermentation.

It is true, alcohol is not wrong in itself. God also made many things in this world which we are not allowed to be even near it if not following procedures. For example: God created man and woman, so why can't they be together as they wish as long as they like each other, and they don't harm anyone else?
or you can substitute "man and woman" with "man and man". Why can't they be together? God created men, right?

We must go back to the tawheed: Oneness of God (La Ilaaha Ilallaahu), which should transcend to everything in life, including the acknowledgement that God knows everything, and God knows what is good and what is bad for us, and that God only wants us to always on the side of good.

Originally Posted by Who Am I?

It does have some medicinal properties. But like anything else, it can be misused and abused.

Yes, alcohol does have medicinal properties, and there's good in alcohol, however, it also has plenty of adverse effects which far outweigh its goodness.

As God (swt) says in the Qur'an:

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought. (QS. al Baqarah:219).

Brother who am I, I must commend you on your resolute to stay away from alcohol. I know it is hard and difficult and May Allah SWT gives you strength to stay on the straight path. Just so you know, every one of us is also in struggle in different ways. This life is not meant to be easy and our true rewards is in the afterlife if we don't feel it in this world.

**Scimitar** · 02-29-2012

Originally Posted by Ramadhan

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought. (QS. al Baqarah:219).

This made me have one of those WOW moments... I can't explain, and I just couldn't keep it to my self...

Scimi

**MustafaMc** · 02-29-2012

Originally Posted by Ramadhan

yes, grape juice is absolutely halal.

Halal means permissable. There is no alcohol in grape juice.

**MustafaMc** · 02-29-2012

Originally Posted by Who Am I?

But I am talking to a sister right now and we're thinking about getting married, and she hates alcohol. So at least I have some motivation to not drink anymore...

Way cool, thinking about marriage. However, IMO a better motivation to not drink would be obedience to Allah ;-) because there most likely will be difficult times in any intimate relationship.

**Who Am I?** · 02-29-2012

Originally Posted by MustafaMc

Way cool, thinking about marriage. However, IMO a better motivation to not drink would be obedience to Allah ;-) because there most likely will be difficult times in any intimate relationship.

Well, I have known for a while that alcohol is not good, and I knew that it was wrong to drink too much, but I did it anyway. Not because I wanted to, but because I was lonely, and that was how I dealt with the pain of that loneliness. But now things are different. I have a new perspective on things, and I finally feel like I have the support and the motivation that I need to quit drinking for good this time.

**User_23338** · 03-23-2012

Its very sad to see that most christians will defend alcohol and still believe that Jesus (pbuh) drank Alcoholic wine. These christians either don't read their bible at all or they probably just just interpret the bible in the way that it makes them feel comfortable.