Prophet Jesus (pbuh) never drank Alcoholic Wine

[Who Am I?]

Its very sad to see that most christians will defend alcohol and still believe that Jesus (pbuh) drank Alcoholic wine. These christians either don't read their bible at all or they probably just just interpret the bible in the way that it makes them feel comfortable.

According to the Bible, Jesus not only drank wine, he CREATED it from water. This was my ringing endorsement of alcohol for years...

 

[Hulk]

Try to differentiate between the voice of your lower self(nafs) and your own. Your lower self will desire many wrongful things and it will find a way to "reason" with you so that it get what it wants. Like a child, if you always give in to it, it will get more and more stubborn. You have to be strict with it akhi, i had another addiction myself though it was not alcohol(never touched it). I haven't gave in to my addiction for about 5 months now. Most importantly you have to recognise that the only way you can really beat it is to turn to Allah for help, on our own we are helpless.:statisfie

 

[Who Am I?]

Try to differentiate between the voice of your lower self(nafs) and your own. Your lower self will desire many wrongful things and it will find a way to "reason" with you so that it get what it wants. Like a child, if you always give in to it, it will get more and more stubborn. You have to be strict with it akhi, i had another addiction myself though it was not alcohol(never touched it). I haven't gave in to my addiction for about 5 months now. Most importantly you have to recognise that the only way you can really beat it is to turn to Allah for help, on our own we are helpless.:statisfie

Well I have not had a drink of alcohol in almost two months now. I did go four months the last time before my friends staged a "reverse intervention" to have me start drinking again...

 

[Hulk]

That's good man, you can do it! InshaAllah :bravo:

 

[Who Am I?]

That's good man, you can do it! InshaAllah :bravo:

It's not as hard when I am by myself. The real test will be when I am around all of my friends that drink.

 

[MustafaMc]

The real test will be when I am around all of my friends that drink.

With 'friends' like that who needs enemies?

 

[User_23338]

i really don't even like people that drink alcohol, when you clearly realize that alcohol is a evil sin and these so called people pretend as if its not a big deal,

How can Allah even create messed up people like this, i mean seriously. Is Allah even gonna fix these people and make them go to the deen?

 

[Marina-Aisha]

I'm sorry bother who I am but they don't sound like friends, they know you want to quit yet they tempt you to drink? To me that's not friendship maybe u could meet some nice bothers at mosque or maybe it's just better to have no friends then bad friends..

 

[Scimitar]

i really don't even like people that drink alcohol, when you clearly realize that alcohol is a evil sin and these so called people pretend as if its not a big deal,

How can Allah even create messed up people like this, i mean seriously. Is Allah even gonna fix these people and make them go to the deen?

Questioning the Wisdom of Allah is something we should not do.

People who drink alcohol habitually have an illness. It is addictive. And we should look at these people with mercy, not contempt. And aim to help them, by befriending those who seem like they want to be helped... and actually help them, through kindness. And not lecturing them all the time about hell fire and what happens to people who drink alcohol, when and if they go to hell?

Habib Ali al Jifri teaches us some of the qualities of piety here:

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

It's not as hard when I am by myself. The real test will be when I am around all of my friends that drink.

Some will say to abandon these friends...

We are taught in Islam that we should not abandon them altogether - but stay away from situations where temptation may be an issue.

I used to have my addictions too. When I turned to Islam, I stayed away from all my bad influence friends for a period of 4 months...

Then came the day when I was speaking to a learnt elder and I asked him if it is ok that I see these friends of mine, and he said that I should never break bonds - even with non believers...

I asked why, and he told me that Islam is submission to Allah. And that who knows? Maybe some of them will see what Islam really is thru my own struggles, and form a better opinion of it - in the least? and at the most - I may be the tool that Allah uses in order to invite them to Islam, thru the example I set.

Then came the day when i saw them again, I had a beard, was wearing thowb, and my jeans were rolled above the ankles. They knew I wanted to leave my old ways a long time ago... and when they would calll me in those first four months, it was tempting to go and join them - but i always said "another time" and explained that I was busy learning about my religion and that this is a better buzz than smoking dope... they didnt believe me... but that's them.

The day we met, after an absence from each others company for over 4 months, was a real surprise - I got compliments, I wasnt expecting that. They would ask questions about Islam, and they actually would sit attentive and listen. yeah they had a beer in their hands, but so what? They listened...

These friends of mine, had a very warped view of Islam before I turned back to Islam... and now, they speak up for it, despite not being Muslims themselves. If they ever have questions on Islam - they come to me, and not rely on the media. I go to their houses, with books and with my laptop.

In fact, I'm about to go and meet with kevin, so we can go and watch Batman the dark Knight Rises, in a few short minutes... [EDIT = not going now, we wont make it in time]

No doubt, the journey there and back will involve a conversation revolving around ethics, as we have been discussing this all week anyway.

Alhamdulillah.

You don't need to give up your friends bro - just be firm, and be patient with them, and ask them to respect your beliefs, and teach them how to respect your beliefs.

I trust you to Allahs care and guidance, Ameen.

Soon, I will have to make you a new avatar God bless you bro, Ameen. You;ve come a LOOOOONG WAY, and I'm proud to call you my brother [ does electric boogaloo, shuffles over to bro who am I, gives auto-hug and hi-5]

Scimi

 

[Who Am I?]

Thanks, bro.

I have learned a lot about myself these past months that I have been away. I am more in touch with who I am and who I am supposed to be, and all those years of feeling like an alien finally make sense. I don't belong in Western culture. I don't belong in Western society. I am a Eastern man trapped in a Western man's body. I am a brown man trapped in a white man's body.

I realize that now, and I am trying to make up for all those years that I missed out on living my true life. I am spending most of my free time learning about the Eastern way of life, and I realize that this life is what I have missed all these years. The Eastern values of family and living simply clash with the Western culture of greed and individualism. This is why I have felt like an alien, and why I don't belong here in the West.

As for my friends, I still talk to them, but I have not been out with them in months. I have so many other things going on right now that I don't even have time to think about going out and having a beer with the lads.

 

[muslimah bird]

As you know, I tried to quit drinking last year, until some friends of mine staged a reverse intervention for me to start drinking again.
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You should avoid making friends with such drunkards who tempt you into sin like this . Infact, the Prophet(SAWS) has said that you should not even sit with the drunkard, visit their sick or attend their funerals.

 

[Redeemed]

Jesus turned water to wine. They called Him a wine bibber. They don't call you things like that unless you drank wine.

 

[جوري]

Jesus turned water to wine

That was Dionysus. Bible writers loved stealing Greek fables!


Modern scholars such as Martin Hengel, Barry Powell, and Peter Wick, among others, argue that Dionysian religion and Christianity have notable parallels. They point to the symbolism of wine and the importance it held in the mythology surrounding both Dionysus and Jesus Christ;[SUP][43][/SUP][SUP][44][/SUP] though, Wick argues that the use of wine symbolism in the Gospel of John, including the story of the Marriage at Cana at which Jesus turns water into wine, was intended to show Jesus as superior to Dionysus.[SUP][45][/SUP]
Scholars of comparative mythology identify both Dionysus and Jesus with the dying-and-returning god mythological archetype.[SUP][7][/SUP] Other elements, such as the celebration by a ritual meal of bread and wine, also have parallels.[SUP][46][/SUP] Powell, in particular, argues precursors to the Catholic notion of transubstantiation can be found in Dionysian religion.[SUP][46]


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus
best,

 

[Who Am I?]

Modern Christianity has borrowed many elements of pagan religions, including its two biggest holidays, Christmas and Easter.

Modern Christianity is far from what true Christianity is and used to be.

 

[Logikon]

Modern Christianity has borrowed many elements of pagan religions, including its two biggest holidays, Christmas and Easter.

The Jews celebrate Passover once a year.

Christ was a Jew.

The meal known as The Last Supper was Christ celebrating the Passover with his disciples.

The next day was a Friday and Christ was crucified. On the Sunday morning he rose from the dead.

Christians did not get Easter from Pagans!

 

[Aprender]

Christians did not get Easter from Pagans!

Actually, there is a difference of opinion among Christians on this issue. When I was a Christian, we did not celebrate Easter. Below are sources from various Christian churches.

Evidence of Pagan origin:
http://cbcg.org/should_christians_celebrate_easter.htm
http://biblicalstudies.info/easter.htm
http://jehovah.to/exe/general/easter.htm
[url]http://www.ucg.org/holidays-and-holy-days/christians-who-dont-celebrate-easter-what-do-they-know/
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Counterargument:
http://www.gci.org/church/holidays/easter

Free to draw your own conclusions.

 

[Who Am I?]

The Jews celebrate Passover once a year.

Christ was a Jew.

The meal known as The Last Supper was Christ celebrating the Passover with his disciples.

The next day was a Friday and Christ was crucified. On the Sunday morning he rose from the dead.

Christians did not get Easter from Pagans!

I wasn't talking about that part. The timing of when Easter occurs in modern society was "borrowed" from pagan festivals of spring.

 

[TG123]

I would like to jump into this one. I strongly respect people, from any faith, who choose to not drink. Alcohol, when misused, has caused and does cause horrific harm. As a substitute teacher and volunteer in the inner city, I have seen the effects of FAS and broken homes, and how messed up kids are who come from families where alcoholism is rampant.

Having said that... I see no evidence in the Bible saying drinking alcohol is sinful. The Bible clearly says drunkenness is a sin, there is no doubt about that.

However, there is nothing in the Bible about 'non-alcoholic' wine. I looked at the sites, and they do not back up with Scripture what they are asserting. Jesus drank wine, and nowhere in the Bible does it say that it was nonalcoholic. Because it came from grapes does not mean it was without alcohol, wine is often made from grapes.

Wine can be drank in moderation. It can also be drunk in excess. The same is true of fast food, sweets, and medications. The church my wife and I go to is located in one of the most impoverished and violent parts of our city... precisely why the church set up... because we are called to serve the poor because by doing so we serve Jesus. I have seen people outside doing drugs, and what they are often selling isn't marijuana or cocaine, but methadone.

Methadone is a pain relief. It is meant to be taken when a person is in pain. Some however will take it to get 'high'.

Have you seen Super Size Me? The movie does a great job in showing how unhealthy fast food is. Having it three times a day (in excess) will cause health problems. Having a burger twice a month won't.

Alcohol, like many other things, can be ingested and even enjoyed in moderation. It can also be taken in excess, and when that happens, it causes destruction.

 

[TG123]

Its very sad to see that most christians will defend alcohol and still believe that Jesus (pbuh) drank Alcoholic wine. These christians either don't read their bible at all or they probably just just interpret the bible in the way that it makes them feel comfortable.

Actually, many Christians who do so both read their Bible, and understand what it says. Many of them don't drink either, but they aren't going to state that the Bible states things that it actually does not.