Christianity or Islam?

A kafir is someone who rejects faith, and kuffar is the plural of that. Allaah Almighty knows best.

format_quote Originally Posted by Turin Turambar

I am a Christian and I would like to participate. Since most of the arguments posted above are not real arguments at all and only pretend to be funny (number 21 for example) why don't we focus on the real arguments? Number 2 for instance is a good argument that most Christians agree with. Muhammad killed and killed many people. Jesus certainly didn't, not even to save his life. Who looks closer to our idea of a merciful God?

bismillah
Rule number one: You cannot compare apples and oranges.

format_quote Originally Posted by Turin Turambar

Dear friends,

I will go back to the "long message" otherwise I will be accused again of trying to avoid some issues. In any case that message is very rich so I will have fun for a long time...

Now I will touch upon the following assertion of Ansar Al-'Adl:

"The Shah of Persia sent his men to arrest and execute the Prophet Muhammad and the Roman Governate in Ghassan killed one of the Prophet's diplomats. Both are open acts of war. The persian and roman empires sought to crush the new Islamic empire, but their tyrannical rule failed."

So, the Roman Governor killed one of the prophet's diplomats and that was an open act of war. And that allowed the Muslim armies to invade and occupy Roman territory until today (Egypt and Syria were Roman provinces).
Because one diplomat had been killed the Muslim armies could invade and occupy FOR EVER territory belonging to another country and according to Ansar Al-'Adl that means that the Muslims were not aggressors in that war. So I cannot say that it was a conquest by force....because one diplomat had been killed before the invasion.

Would you apply that criterion today? I kind of like it after all. I would like it applied in the case of Iran. Iran held 52 Americans hostages for more than a year, participated in the murder of an American officer in Lebanon and the bombings of the Khobar Towers (American military installations in Saudi Arabia). Clearly acts of war.

So, according to Ansar Al-'Adl America could invade Iran, keep it occupied for ever, kill all Iranian males who opposed the invasion, rape captive (infidel) women, impose a special humilliation tax on Muslims (of which Christians would be exempt) and incorporate the whole country to America.

And that wouldn't qualify as aggression according to Ansar Al-'Adl because there was previously an act of war justifying the invasion.

No, my friends, I wouldn't approve of that. And if you were fair you would recognize that it is exactly what happened back then. If you have any doubt about the sad conditions imposed on those who were invaded, please look for Bat Yeor on the Internet. He will tell you what it means to be a dhimmi. Don't wish that on others because you might get it for yourselves.

what about Israel going berserk and bombarding lebanon becuz "2 soldiers" were abducted? talk bout insane >.< i know thats old but stilll =|

format_quote Originally Posted by Tayyaba

what about Israel going berserk and bombarding lebanon becuz "2 soldiers" were abducted? talk bout insane.

I hesitate to comment on the above sentence because there is so much we don't know, so many facts not reported, etc., but let me say this: I've been told by one reporter that Israel has had enough of Hezbollah's firing of rockets into Israeli cities from positions in southern Lebanon that were once under Israel's control but given up by Israel in hopes of peace, that Israel finally decided to put a stop to it by doing what it is now doing. I'm not saying I agree with all that Israel is now doing. There is much suffering by innocent civilians in the present situation, but none of that would exist if Hezbollah wanted to live in peace and not fire rockets into Israeli cities.

Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by adeeb

in my opinion, most of christian don't do what their religion tell them to do. it's different in Islam.........
ALlah (swt) said that He will give the kufaar what they want in this world such as women, sex, appearance, money, etc but nothing will they get in akhiraah, coz the akhiraa just for who that worship the God (Allah) and believe in Muhammad. so that must be a muslim. so maybe you are rich but the money just make you further and futher from the right path... don't look something only with your eyes, try to see with your heart why muslim feel happy even though they are poor coz they know they will get something in akhiraa when the non muslim will be punished in hell.

brother,

there is only ONE religion: Islam. all prophets came with the same exact message. So dont say that Christinas dont follow what God has commanded them, bcoz then they would be Muslims.ofcourse,if they do follw what truly Allah SWT has commanded..

format_quote Originally Posted by Shadow_of_White

there is only ONE religion: Islam. all prophets came with the same exact message. So dont say that Christinas dont follow what God has commanded them, bcoz then they would be Muslims.ofcourse,if they do follw what truly Allah SWT has commanded..

Wrong. There are many religions, but only ONE TRUE religion, namely, Christianity.

Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by Phil12123

Wrong. There are many religions, but only ONE TRUE religion, namely, Christianity.

Peace

Is there any proof of that in the bible?


Peace.

bismillahirrahmanirrahiim.........

first of all, i would say, the truth coming from Allah (SWT) and the wrong thing is just come from me. Allah (SWT) knows the best.

in the bible, the God tell the christians to cut the penis skin (khitan) , sorry i dont know what it is in English. but, mostly Christian dont do that.

and as i know the jesus never declared that he is the god and the people have to worship him. i dont want to debate here, coz we will try our best to help our religion.

a moslem, nowadays must have strong heart coz there won't be easier to live day by day. as stated in Quran, the non muslim will do their best to fight Islam, with their money, their appearance, their power, their ability like what happening now in middle east.

and i wanna say, for you your religion and for me mine....
this is long debate....... and have you ever read Ahmad Deedat's book? the comparison between quran and bible and all what stated in bible is not to the Jesus but to the Mohammad (saw).. the bible had predicted about the last prophet Mohammad (saw).
:thankyou:

format_quote Originally Posted by Turin Turambar

Another good one is number 95:

Islam teaches me to defend myself if someone attacks me.
Jesus told me to turn the other cheek.

Could that be the explanation for why Sunnis and Shias are killing each other in places like Iraq and Pakistan? Perhaps they are following Islam and they feel attacked by the other group, so they defend themselves? And obviously after the "defense" the other group also feels attacked so it defends itself in turn? And they keep the cycle forever?

And could that be the reason why in a place like America several different Christian denominations keep perfect peace among themselves, because they turn the other cheek? If they perceive an insult they forgive instead of seeking revenge?

And that could explain why America is peaceful and rich and why Iraq and Pakistan are violent and poor?

what bout teh civil war in ireland? between protestants and catholics, who weas turning the other cheek!

format_quote Originally Posted by Turin Turambar

Certain Islamic States treat women like dirt and kill anybody who is not a Muslim.

Do you really think that?


Why don’t you ask a Muslim female if she is treated like dirt?

You can’t tell someone, “I think you are treated like dirt, so you are obviously treated like dirt.”

It really does not matter how you think someone is treated. It only matters how the individual thinks he or she is treated.

Small Points:
1.Most Muslim females feel western women are treated like sex objects, and are not treated equal. (So how do you think it would make them feel if they were forced to dress [what they consider] almost naked?)

2.Muslim females do not have to wear the full berka, but most do. (Why do you think that is? It is because they choose to)

3.Muslims hold females in very high regards, not low.

format_quote Originally Posted by Tayyaba

well for one thing your not supposed to eat pork and woman r supposed to be covered.

This topic is very sensitive. I am sure there is a thread open on it.