What do my athiest friends and christians friends think about the Quran. Do they believe that its god words or not?
Obviously atheists do not believe in God, or at least are unconvinced of His existence. How could they believe that the Quran is His book? And if a Christian believed that the Quran was God's words, wouldn't he be a Muslim?
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
As HeiGou put it, if we believed the Quran was God's word, we wouldn't be atheists, wouldn't we.
I've read some parts from the Quran I have. I think parts of it are beautiful poetry (and I'm sure it's stunning in the original Arabic, the recordings I've heard of Quranic recitations are mesmerizing). There is a lot of wisdom there, but a lot of disturbing sections as well (Sura 9). But then again, I can say the same of the Bible. Personally, I think every man should be guided by reason and conscience - if there is a God, he gave us those two gifts to guide us, which are far more useful than any book.
I really can't see any point for it..It's like the Mormoms they also have added an extra book which Joseph Smith wrote who said it was from God...the JW also have their extra teachings....
I see no point in the RC doctrine either..to me all it does is lead people away from God and puts man inbetween us and God..beside other things..I don't agree with.
When Jesus died for our sins...he made the pathway clear so we could have direct communion with God..we don't need anything else..Salvation was given at that point....nothing more could be added.
I really can't see any point for it..It's like the Mormoms they also have added an extra book which Joseph Smith wrote who said it was from God...the JW also have their extra teachings....
I see no point in the RC doctrine either..to me all it does is lead people away from God and puts man inbetween us and God..beside other things..I don't agree with.
When Jesus died for our sins...he made the pathway clear so we could have direct communion with God..we don't need anything else..Salvation was given at that point....nothing more could be added.
Nothing I can add to that, Nicola.
I agree!
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
As HeiGou put it, if we believed the Quran was God's word, we wouldn't be atheists, wouldn't we.
I've read some parts from the Quran I have. I think parts of it are beautiful poetry (and I'm sure it's stunning in the original Arabic, the recordings I've heard of Quranic recitations are mesmerizing). There is a lot of wisdom there, but a lot of disturbing sections as well (Sura 9). But then again, I can say the same of the Bible. Personally, I think every man should be guided by reason and conscience - if there is a God, he gave us those two gifts to guide us, which are far more useful than any book.
One of the reason how Arabs converted to Islam because of the Koran is poetry in nature. But no human beings ever can have such poetry skills as the author of Koran. God is too perfect in His words. No poems better arranged like His.:thankyou:
One of the reason how Arabs converted to Islam because of the Koran is poetry in nature. But no human beings ever can have such poetry skills as the author of Koran. God is too perfect in His words. No poems better arranged like His.:thankyou:
Well as you're Malaysian would it be fair to say that you have not read a lot of Arabic poetry? In fact you are unable to do so given your, I'd guess, limited Classical Arabic? And that this is, in fact, merely received wisdom on your part - something you have been taught is true by your teachers but you have no first hand experience of yourself?
There are certainly Western scholars of the Quran who are less impressed with its poetry. Even some Western scholars who can read Arabic.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
Well as you're Malaysian would it be fair to say that you have not read a lot of Arabic poetry? In fact you are unable to do so given your, I'd guess, limited Classical Arabic? And that this is, in fact, merely received wisdom on your part - something you have been taught is true by your teachers but you have no first hand experience of yourself?
There are certainly Western scholars of the Quran who are less impressed with its poetry. Even some Western scholars who can read Arabic.
Actually I've learnt Arabic Literature at school. In Malaysia it's known as 'Bahasa Arab Tinggi' (High Level Arabic Language).
I experienced it myself as someone exposed to Malay literature of 'Syair', 'Pantun' and 'Gurindam'. The wording of Al Quran is so beautiful - the rythm, everything - IT IS SO PERFECT.
As example:
Qul Huwa Allah Ahad
Allahu Samad
Lam Yalid wa lam Yulad
Walam yakun lahu kufuwan Ahad
It's a simple verse but then ending are ended with letter 'dal'. So beautifully arranged.
Ar Rahman
Allamal Qur'an
Khalaqal Insan
alamahul Bayan
Ash Shamsu wal Qamaru bihusban
Wan najmu was shajaru yasjudan
Was sama arafa'aha wawazaal mizan
alla tatghau fil mizan
wa aqimu wazna bil qist wala tuqsirul mizan
all are ended with letters 'alif' and nun' - which produces the sound of 'an' at the ending of every word.
I dont want to offend anyone. But personally the Koran is the most beautiful wordings I've ever read. I dont ask all of u people to recognize it, duhh!!!
Many people say, Monalisa painting is beautiful - but not me.
thanks Zubair...I've down loaded but will listen later and let you know what I think..tonight
Take your time sister nicola
I was listening to that on the way home today from work (i've heard it atleast half a dozen times now.lol),and since this thread is up and going,its a good time to share that lecture by shaykh hamza yusuf.
That man has alot of knowledge.
For more of his lectures (as well as lectures by Imam zaid shakir,shaykh abu shusha,imam tahir anwar,..)
But if you looked at those words, you might find an evidence for there being a god, and hence realise there IS a God!
Where something can be said in 10 words the Koran takes 30 words to say it.
The recent thread on the punishment for Apostaty is an example. It ought to be YES or NO. The post is 1,000 words.
Well not every issue has a 'yes-or-no' solution. It depends on the context, or the individual circumstance. Surely this is understandable? Moreover, the post might be a 1000 words, but that doesn't mean every word is from the Qur'an. Perhaps a few verses were quoted, and explanantions followed. If anything, it illustrates a depth to the meanings of the Qur'an.
An example of the power of the Qur'an is in one of its shortest surahs: The Time (Chapter 103):
103:1By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
103:2 Verily Man is in loss,
103:3 Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.
This Surah is a matchless specimen of comprehensiveness and brevity. A whole world of meaning has been compressed into its few brief words, which is too vast in content to be fully expressed even in a book. In it, in a clear and plain way it has been stated what is the way to true success for man and what is the way to ruin and destruction for him. Imam Shafi`i has very rightly said that if the people only considered this Surah well, it alone would suffice them for their guidance. How important this Surah was in the sight of the Companions can be judged from the tradition cited from Hadrat Abdullah bin Hisn ad-Darimi Abu Madinah, according to which whenever any two of them met they would not part company until they had recited Surah Al-Asr to each other. (Tabarani)
I BELIEVE THAT the Quran is the WORD of God (Allah )
Allah says : ( إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ ) = We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
اتقوا الله ياعباااااد الله
أسأل الله ان يغفر لنا زلاتنا ويبعد الشيطان عن قلوبنا وأساله ان يثبت قلوبنا على طاعته...
إنه سميعٌ مجيب....
One thing I don't understand in my translation of the Quran is that so many of the words in the English translation are in parentheses... does this mean they aren't in the original Arabic and are just added for clarity? (This is a translation by one Noorudin). For the prose is much cleaner and more precise without the extra words... for example:
77:1 I call to witness those (messengers of Truth) who are sent forth to spread goodness (in continual series).
Much better prose without the parenthetical words. Should I find a translation that doesn't use them, and just refer to a commentary for verses I don't understand?
One thing I don't understand in my translation of the Quran is that so many of the words in the English translation are in parentheses... does this mean they aren't in the original Arabic and are just added for clarity? (This is a translation by one Noorudin). For the prose is much cleaner and more precise without the extra words... for example:
77:1 I call to witness those (messengers of Truth) who are sent forth to spread goodness (in continual series).
Much better prose without the parenthetical words. Should I find a translation that doesn't use them, and just refer to a commentary for verses I don't understand?
Since Arabic doesn't translate clearly to English, I would say that that was why they were added. The real (Arabic) Quran doesn't have these parts.
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