Questions directed to atheists and agnostics only

**Hemoo** · 03-19-2007

i have some questions to the atheists and agnostics and i hope you all reply honestly and clearly

I want this question to be answered only by atheists and agnostics

Are you atheists and agnostics are happy in your lives ?

Okay, what is your main purpose in life (honestly) ?

You will say my purpose is to enjoy it ,so don’t you ever get bored?

Have you ever thought of committing suicide?

that's it for now and i am waiting to see your responses

and thanks in advance for answering

**snakelegs** · 03-20-2007

Originally Posted by hemoo

actually i have another new question

what was your religion (or your family's religion) before you leave it to be an athiest ?

i've never belonged to any religion. my step father was an atheist and my mother was agnostic.

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 03-20-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

i've never belonged to any religion. my step father was an atheist and my mother was agnostic.

so you've taken after your mother

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Forgive me if im being a bit nosey but was she interested in any religion

**Hemoo** · 03-20-2007

grace seeker said "Does this mean that people such as Saddam Hussein were not true Muslims?"

and who said that he was practicing Islam by the book
Saddam Hussein has made things that is against islam although we say that he is mainly a muslim.

and in islam its one of our principles to not judge on a specified person with either hell nor paradise.

because ALLAH alone is the one who will deside who goes to heaven and who goes to hell ,and ALLAH alone knows who deserves what ..

and i have a funny real story i heard from one of our schoolars he said :

there was some old women dying in a hospital here in my country so two muslim brothers gone to her and made her say the shahada and then she died
so her son came after that and he was so sad on his mother so the two muslims said to him don't be worry ,she said the shahada before she died

so her son screamed "you made her disbelieve on christianity"

and so she was a christian but ALLAH made her fate that she bear witness that there is no deity worthy to be worshipped but Allah, and that she bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger

so we can't say if this woman is in hell or heaven ,we just can't its out of our jurisdiction to judge in this matters ...

**aamirsaab** · 03-20-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

see? we might not be as far apart as you think

I have noticed this quite a lot on this forum; the only thing that seperates me and many many others is that little title on the bottom left of the page, named: way of life, otherwise, we're like clones. (Mindset clones, not clone clones....eugh)

**snakelegs** · 03-20-2007

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

so you've taken after your mother

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Forgive me if im being a bit nosey but was she interested in any religion

not as far as i know.

**wilberhum** · 03-21-2007

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

i Agree, but honestly most of thost muslims arent practising abstinence, at the same time those who are true to their faith wouldnt require material to be happy. One of the best things about islaam is contentment.

Ok allow me to rephrase myself one more time, without religion people simply wont find hazardous acts such as phornication/smoking/drinking as a big thing.

Am i wrong in saying that?

From what ive read about ur previous posts, you only find that which others mind to be wrong, but if they dont mind yet you know its harmful it wont bother you?

am i correct?

Fornication with a one partner that has no other partners is no more hazardous than a monogamous marriage.

You need religion to figure out smoking is hazardous. You have to be kidding.

You’re considering drinking as a moral issue is a minority view. I suspect more people conceder polygamy immoral that the number of people conceder drinking immoral. Medical reports show that moderate drinking is healthy.

**tomtomsmom** · 03-21-2007

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

Peace,

clearly i have offended every one of you and i'd like to apologise. Please accept it and hear my explenation.

Due to the fact that you dont have a religion it feels that you rely on your own morals and values to restrict you to do good and keep away from evil. In this society of sex, drugs and rock and roll a man/woman is weak, they are easily seduced by the pleasures of the world and are very likely living with a materialistic mindset (house/wife/car possession/pride etc etc). Therefore when you dont have faith or God to help you to really fight your innerself and restrain yourself from sinning how is it that we can believe that your being honest?

im sorry, im sure many of you have values such as honesty etc and i pray that God guides you all, but you must admit, most without direction/guidance will do as they please... or am i being unfair?

Dude, you are being unfair. Everyone "sins". But just because you believe a certain thing is a sin does not make it so. When it comes down to it, none of us can 100% know what is a sin and what isn't. Saying that you can't trust all non-muslims because of our sins is just like us saying we don't trust all muslims because some have twisted the religion into something it isn't supposed to be.

Rather closed minded don't you think?

**ManchesterFolk** · 03-21-2007

Talking about suicide bombings like that looks like a similar assumption that has been made by some Muslims in this thread. "Atheists have no morals" is the same kind of thinking as "Muslims are suicide bombers", and crude and offensive generalisations like that have no place in serious discussion.

Unless I've had a sense of humour failure here and that was intended as a joke...

In which case, sorry.

Well suicide is either intentional for a purpose (war), or a crazy/depressed person. I am neither.

But my use of Muslim was to see if the person who began this thread would have the nerve to lecture me on "assumptions".

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 03-21-2007

Originally Posted by tomtomsmom

Rather closed minded don't you think?

yea it kinda was.

I guess our thinking is just way too far apart, strange thing. When faith enters you seems like mentality completely changes, i didnt think like this at all 2 years ago. But i like who i am now Alhamdulillah, lol im sure most non-muslims dont tho

:X :X :X

**Hemoo** · 03-21-2007

why didn't all atheists and agnostics respond to my last question about their previous religious experience ,what was your previous religion or your parents taught and the people who have taught you when you was young ????

and thank to you all for your responses ..

**Pygoscelis** · 03-21-2007

Originally Posted by hemoo

why didn't all atheists and agnostics respond to my last question about their previous religious experience ,what was your previous religion or your parents taught and the people who have taught you when you was young ????

and thank to you all for your responses ..

I was raised by wolves.

Seriously though, my mother was Anglican and my father was a closeted agnostic (He never spoke about religion but went along with my mother). I never prayed or thought that prayers of others were heard by anyone. I went to church services as a child but it was more cultural than religious. I have always been an atheist.

**wilberhum** · 03-21-2007

Originally Posted by hemoo

actually i have another new question

what was your religion (or your family's religion) before you leave it to be an athiest ?

First of all I’m rally hurt that you don’t care about Agonists any more. LOL :laugh:

I was born and raised by devout Catholics. I was educated Catholic, married Catholic, raided my children Catholic. I was a devout Catholic for about 50 years.
Over about a 5 year period I became an agnostic and have become more and more convinced about my beliefs over the last 5 years.

Now I’m a devout Agnostic.

**tomtomsmom** · 03-21-2007

I didn't answer the questions because I am not a "normal" agnostic, if there is such a thing. It seems as if you want to know about people who don't think god exists. I am not one of them.

**czgibson** · 03-21-2007

Greetings,

Originally Posted by hemoo

why didn't all atheists and agnostics respond to my last question about their previous religious experience ,what was your previous religion or your parents taught and the people who have taught you when you was young ????

and thank to you all for your responses ..

Mum's a Catholic, Dad's a Protestant. I went to church until the age of sixteen, never consciously believing in god. I went to a Catholic school run by monks, and that gave me plenty of opportunity to get to know Christian theology well, and to debate with them.

My earliest memory of going to church must come from when I was about five. I remember sitting there, listening to the priest and some other people talking on and on about god, and my first though was that, somehow or other, the priest must be god. When my mother explained who god actually was, I was confused, and had to think about it for a while. Early on, I thought: 'but that's just something somebody made up', and since then I have become more and more amazed at the vast physical and cultural edifice that the theistic religions have erected around what, to me, has always seemed to be an imaginary figure.

Peace

**snakelegs** · 03-21-2007

Originally Posted by tomtomsmom

I didn't answer the questions because I am not a "normal" agnostic, if there is such a thing. It seems as if you want to know about people who don't think god exists. I am not one of them.

there is no such thing as a "normal agnostic"

i believe in god too.

**Agnostic** · 03-22-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

there is no such thing as a "normal agnostic"

Are we then heteromorphic agnostics ?

Both my parents were agnostic.

**Grace Seeker** · 03-22-2007

A question more for the agnostics than the athiests, especially those agnostic who confess to actually believing in God or a god.

What is it that you believe/don't believe/think of with regard to God/god?

My understanding of the term agnostic is that you don't reject the idea that there might be a god, but that you don't confess to the idea that there is either. That you don't know one way or the other, and don't think that it really is possible for anyone to know. If your view differs significantly from this can you please explain in what why it differs.

**Pygoscelis** · 03-22-2007

"agnostic" is one of the most confused terms there is. It means different things to different people. It is even more confused than "atheist", which also means many different things to many different people.

The "classic" meaning of agnostic is the view that it is impossible to know if there is a God or not. The meaning of agnostic I think you'll see most often today is that people simply can't decide, don't know for sure, etc.

I think the term loses some meaning if it is used to mean "don't know for sure" because I think any sane person falls under that category. Any atheist I've ever met has always admitted the remote possibility of a god of some sort. And any sane believer has some degree of doubt (else they'd not need faith).

**snakelegs** · 03-22-2007

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

A question more for the agnostics than the athiests, especially those agnostic who confess to actually believing in God or a god.

What is it that you believe/don't believe/think of with regard to God/god?

My understanding of the term agnostic is that you don't reject the idea that there might be a god, but that you don't confess to the idea that there is either. That you don't know one way or the other, and don't think that it really is possible for anyone to know. If your view differs significantly from this can you please explain in what why it differs.

i've never belonged to any religion and never concerned myself one way or the other whether or not god existed. within the last decade, i have come to believe that he does. ultimately, i think there is much that is unknowable - and that's fine with me. i enjoy questions more than answers, anyway.
i believe god is one, mainly because i like that philosophical concept but i don't think it matters - whether seen as one, 3, or hundreds, god is god, unchanging. i believe you can come close to god through all religions or (like me), no religion at all. i see god and religion as separate entities.

**Woodrow** · 03-22-2007

I can think of many logical reasons why a person would be an agnostic. I doubt if anybody ever woke up one morning looked in the mirror and said "I'm going to be an agnostic" I tend to believe that most agnostics have been disillusioned by organized religion and see it as the worlds largest and most cost efficient industry ever developed.

I fully understand how an Agnostic could view a Muslim as being a puppet to culture or somebody seeking to find organization in chaos. There does not appear to be any logical reason for a person to accept Islam. Even as Muslims we will say that Allah(swt) does not need us. What reason would He have to reward us or to punish us? It makes no sense at all unless, we truly are created for the purpose of worshiping Him.

I have come to the conclusion that really is the case. I doubt if I could say anything that would convince another person to become Muslim and I honestly hope I never do. I believe that a person should only revert to Islam if they have seen sufficient reason and can logically do so under their own free will.

In my heart I do wish everybody would revert to Islam. But, I know that is not a reason for anybody to ever revert.

The simple Ayyat from Surah al-Baqerah says it best:

2:256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. S P C

Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

What could possibly have encourged a person to write words such as those?

EDIT: Just want to explain why I added that question. To me it is very significant that those words are in the Qur'an. I can no envision a person who is trying to perpetuate a personl agenda would have said words such as that. They do not appear to come from the thoughts of a mortal man. That Ayyat is one of the things that has convinced me.