I'm sure most of the Muslims on this forum are familiar with this verse from the Quran...
[7.157] those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet,
whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law
and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids
them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and
pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure);
He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes
that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour
him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,-
it is they who will prosper."
I came upon this and sort of confused me. Of course this is Allah's response to the prayer of Moses. Two quick questions.
1. How could Moses know about the Injil(Gospel) when it wasn't written until 1400 years later?
2. Where in the Torah or the Gospel does it make mention of an "unlettered prophet"?
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Jesus is a historical figure Philly, it's just the bit about him being God that is a bit of a grey area.
But I sign up to spaggettiism, consider me your first diciple.
Whats your Doctrine & Dogma? Cos I can feel I would be a Wholemeal-fastcook adventist.
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The question about how Moses knew of Jesus is important to everybody's redemption.
I am just about to make a post in the thread which I opened and is named only Jinn. It sort of explains, but it is a difficult comprehension, and needs to be categorised along with subject matter in reference to Jinn.
I had a Dream about Seth noticing that Moses and the Burning bush is in people's mind right at this time, and the day before I saw that this thread is here, and there was also a television programme with a homeless man asking a pop star about what the reference to flames in the bush in his song was about.
All the references asked about can be contextualised only by understanding that the time sequences in the minds of the Jinn are far different to the time sequences in the minds of men. Also that the shaytan figured that out before men, and take it to their advantage, but only by ignoring the full teaching of what level of accountiblity the Jinn are accepting in time.
I will come back into this post and leave a link after I make the other post
Salam alaykum
Last edited by Curaezipirid; 05-23-2007 at 02:04 AM.
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
you should really makeup your mind.. one minute you want sauce on her and the next, you no longer wish to idolize her? there are meds you know to help with this sort of bipolarity-- I think in your case it is more prudent to seek medical RX, than an object of adoration...
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Pete Dochaty? the drugged up frontsman of the Babyshambels? No ta.
When Philly said "sauce" its taken from the ancient Marinade-ic language "Source" which when you transcribe it into English many spaggetiists have postured that it refers to the Source where the pasta was grown.
In this case being Southern Italy. My wholemeal-adventist leigions are off to reclaim this land as i speak.
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that link I mentioned has this :- [QUOTE=Curaezipirid;745466] [QUOTE]
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
Wasnt directed at you Purest, the allagory isnt something someone with faith would understand. I was writing to philosopher and Agnostics/Athiests.
In a nutshell i mean I agree with his post, but some people can gain value in religion.
If an allegory is truly an allegory, only those with real Faith can understand it.
There are stories which for one person might be intoxicating, such as from 1001 Arabian nights, yet for another person might be terrifying. So for one person an allegory can be Haram, while for another it can be Halal and indeed necessary to be reading, only so as to sustain Faith in this modern world.
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
Pete Dochaty? the drugged up frontsman of the Babyshambels? No ta.
When Philly said "sauce" its taken from the ancient Marinade-ic language "Source" which when you transcribe it into English many spaggetiists have postured that it refers to the Source where the pasta was grown.
In this case being Southern Italy. My wholemeal-adventist leigions are off to reclaim this land as i speak.
We can fight over Jerusalem because that land was promised to us by the flying spaghetti monster (may sauce be upon him).
After all, the FSM was devoured and digested for our sins.
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
No, Jesus is not a historical figure. I recommend you read some of Doherty's work. The "buy-bull" does not count.
The history written by the Jew known to the Romans as Josephus is a true account.
It is usually discredited because it was written 30 years later then Jesus death is recorded, however the 30 year span is distincly within eyewitness account.
Denying it would be akin to demanding that we all ignore every part of writing about Mohammed made after his death.
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
I have always enjoyed the Allegory of human vanities... we can dedicate this post to it!
'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity'. The books symbolise human knowledge, the musical instruments (a recorder, part of a shawm, a lute) the pleasures of the senses. The Japanese sword and the shell, both collectors' rarities, symbolise wealth. The chronometer and expiring lamp allude to the transience and frailty of human life. All are dominated by the skull, the symbol of death.
Heck no way. Lets give Jerusalem a break. Its clear that the FSM meant Manchester. you just need to interpret it through a Scholor on the matter.
I think denying that Jesus existed is a bit tinfoil, the Romans were pretty sure that he was some sort of political activist. I'll try and read Dochatys work after i've finished with all these hadiths i'm ploughing through, thanks for the reference.
Nice pic BTW, life is indeed transitory. It should be lived to the full.
I live it to the full by spamming endless forums at 3AM arguing about intangable concepts and playing XBOX 360.
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with all these hadiths i'm ploughing through, thanks for the reference.
Nice pic BTW, life is indeed transitory. It should be lived to the full.
I live it to the full by spamming endless forums at 3AM arguing about intangable concepts and playing XBOX 360.
Indeed, and I believe it was 3li ibn Abi talib RA who said,(though I am not certain it was he)-- "Live life as if you were going to live forever, and prepare for the hereafter as if you were to die tomorrow" Gandhi later took that and put a spin on it--
that is why it is a bewilderment to me, for someone to live it not striking a balance... and seeking fulfillment on every level... (science, history, religion, travel, Art, philosophy) I for a long time lived as an "agnostic"-- and felt an incredible void.... more "restless" than anything really, I don't know how to ignore religion....
life to me is a miracle, I think therein lies the difference really. Some people see it as is, and some can't conceive of all of this-- and I happen to belong to the later group!
Everything is remarkable to me and can only point the arrow in one direction....
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Heck no way. Lets give Jerusalem a break. Its clear that the FSM meant Manchester. you just need to interpret it through a Scholor on the matter.
I think denying that Jesus existed is a bit tinfoil, the Romans were pretty sure that he was some sort of political activist. I'll try and read Dochatys work after i've finished with all these hadiths i'm ploughing through, thanks for the reference.
Nice pic BTW, life is indeed transitory. It should be lived to the full.
I live it to the full by spamming endless forums at 3AM arguing about intangable concepts and playing XBOX 360.
There is no use studying over fairy tales. We have only one life and we should live it to the fullest.
We can fight over Jerusalem because that land was promised to us by the flying spaghetti monster (may sauce be upon him).
After all, the FSM was devoured and digested for our sins.
format_quote Originally Posted by Curaezipirid
Whose Allegory means what here I wonder?
format_quote Originally Posted by Curaezipirid
The history written by the Jew known to the Romans as Josephus is a true account.
It is usually discredited because it was written 30 years later then Jesus death is recorded, however the 30 year span is distincly within eyewitness account.
Denying it would be akin to demanding that we all ignore every part of writing about Mohammed made after his death.
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
I have always enjoyed the Allegory of human vanities... we can dedicate this post to it!
'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity'. The books symbolise human knowledge, the musical instruments (a recorder, part of a shawm, a lute) the pleasures of the senses. The Japanese sword and the shell, both collectors' rarities, symbolise wealth. The chronometer and expiring lamp allude to the transience and frailty of human life. All are dominated by the skull, the symbol of death.
Heck no way. Lets give Jerusalem a break. Its clear that the FSM meant Manchester. you just need to interpret it through a Scholor on the matter.
I think denying that Jesus existed is a bit tinfoil, the Romans were pretty sure that he was some sort of political activist. I'll try and read Dochatys work after i've finished with all these hadiths i'm ploughing through, thanks for the reference.
Nice pic BTW, life is indeed transitory. It should be lived to the full.
I live it to the full by spamming endless forums at 3AM arguing about intangable concepts and playing XBOX 360.
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
Indeed, and I believe it was 3li ibn Abi talib RA who said,(though I am not certain it was he)-- "Live life as if you were going to live forever, and prepare for the hereafter as if you were to die tomorrow" Gandhi later took that and put a spin on it--
that is why it is a bewilderment to me, for someone to live it not striking a balance... and seeking fulfillment on every level... (science, history, religion, travel, Art, philosophy) I for a long time lived as an "agnostic"-- and felt an incredible void.... more "restless" than anything really, I don't know how to ignore religion....
life to me is a miracle, I think therein lies the difference really. Some people see it as is, and some can't conceive of all of this-- and I happen to belong to the later group!
Everything is remarkable to me and can only point the arrow in one direction....
peace!
format_quote Originally Posted by Philosopher
There is no use studying over fairy tales. We have only one life and we should live it to the fullest.
format_quote Originally Posted by Curaezipirid
If an allegory is truly an allegory, only those with real Faith can understand it.
There are stories which for one person might be intoxicating, such as from 1001 Arabian nights, yet for another person might be terrifying. So for one person an allegory can be Haram, while for another it can be Halal and indeed necessary to be reading, only so as to sustain Faith in this modern world.
I don't get it, but
Within the Realm of King Solomon
Who could have known I was home grown
An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
centsiblity
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