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What does the corruption or lack of corruption of the quran prove and why should we believe it has not been changed?
 
I'm not a Muslim, but I would think the answer is obvious from the perspective of a Muslim. Uncorrupted meaning unaltered. As for "proof" that the Qu'ran is uncorrupted....well, that is much easier to prove to a Muslim than it is to a non-Muslim, as with most theological issues.
 
Why should we believe it has not changed.

I think for a fuller discussion maybe head to the Refutation area.

In a nutshell, I am not knowledgeable, so don't think 'is that it', but in my view, I think the circumstances of the believers at the time made its retention very likely. I also add to that that most of the obligation raised forth, in my view, are very weak.
 
I think because its so amazing! And it challenges human beings to bring just one, only one surah similar to that of Quran. If someone gives it a try maybe then we can think over it...
wasalam.
 
Al Habeshi said:
Why should we believe it has not changed.

I think for a fuller discussion maybe head to the Refutation area.

In a nutshell, I am not knowledgeable, so don't think 'is that it', but in my view, I think the circumstances of the believers at the time made its retention very likely. I also add to that that most of the obligation raised forth, in my view, are very weak.
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im not asking if it has been changed but why is it so important that it hasnt?
It seems that it acts as evidence of some sort?
But all it seems to me is evidence that it hasnt changed at best.
 
aamirsaab said:
'Cus it is the last book of religious guidance - as it has not been altered we can accept it as THE TRUTH from God.

Simple innit. :D
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at best is evidence that it has not been altered.

Are you saying god had influenced the quran?
How?
It seems to me that the only thing done is strict conditions for its reproduction.
 
Salaam,

for the Quran is preserved by Allah.
If the quran is chaged then it proves that a command by Allah failed.


Also the challenge to rpoduce a surah like the quran still applies till today..and no one has met it
If it can be met or has been met then it show Allah was bested in his own challenge..
 
Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

for the Quran is preserved by Allah.
If the quran is chaged then it proves that a command by Allah failed.


Also the challenge to rpoduce a surah like the quran still applies till today..and no one has met it
If it can be met or has been met then it show Allah was bested in his own challenge..
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so allah has somehow prevented it from being corrupted?
Or is it due to man and some sort of strict procedures?
Is it possible for me to change the quran? Say i write my own version, get it printed ect.. or will some force stop me?

as for allahs decrees, is it only particular ones? like not eating certain kinds of meat? or decrees only made to muslims? etc...
 
Peace

The importance of the Qur'aan not being corrupted, is that it shows we have the unaltered Qur'aan as revealed by Allaah to Muhammad [Peace be upon him]. Now with you being an atheist/agnostic, you will not believe the Qur'aan to be the word of God, however that is irrelelavent to the point being made. The point being made is not necessarily that an unaltered book equals divine revelation from God, but that it is free from any corruptions, and has stood the test of time.

The Qur'aan being the divine revelation from Allaah is another topic.
 
ranma1/2 said:
so allah has somehow prevented it from being corrupted?
Or is it due to man and some sort of strict procedures?
Is it possible for me to change the quran? Say i write my own version, get it printed ect.. or will some force stop me?

as for allahs decrees, is it only particular ones? like not eating certain kinds of meat? or decrees only made to muslims? etc...
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Salaam,

It is not somehow,,but the quran cannot be corrupted..

Man is the tool ,,,,but as you ahve noted even the old books ,,other holy books are corrupted due to men greeds and vices...

You can write your own version but then any muslim who rad it will jknow it is not the quran.

Dont worry,many have tried it already and all failed,for 1400 years the pureness of the Qurna is enver questioned.

I dont quite understand baout your question on decrees,it is appplicable wo who worship Allah and revere the Propehts..
 
Peace

Also remember that the Quran was sent down to the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) by an angel, And is the words of God/Allah, this is clear proof in the Quran as its spoken many times about future events, so therefore how can a human 1400 years ago predict future events that have either already taken place or are taking place now, and also things that have yet to come. Therefore this is one of many proofs that it is the word of God/Allah (and has not been corrupted by man or men), as no man is capable of predicting the future and major future events. And if you study the quran you will see clearly its the best way of life, If you have doubts and are sincere then use you own brain to research islam, as God knows everything and whats best for us. Hope this helps answer you query, if not inshAllah (God Willing) someone else with better knowledge may be able to help you. :sunny:

I will try to post as much as i can of these, or hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me could possible post them instead. :sunny:

ps. sorry if any of that didnt make sence i have a major headache and have had very little sleep the day before, so please forgive if its incoherent.
 
MuslimSis&proud said:
Also remember that the Quran was sent down to the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) by an angel, And is the words of God/Allah, this is clear proof in the Quran as its spoken many times about future events, so therefore how can a human 1400 years ago predict future events that have either already taken place or are taking place now, and also things that have yet to come.
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Not to mention scientific truths that were 'Risky ideas' among other groups at the time. :)
 
MuslimSis&proud said:
Peace

Also remember that the Quran was sent down to the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) by an angel, And is the words of God/Allah, this is clear proof in the Quran as its spoken many times about future events, so therefore how can a human 1400 years ago predict future events that have either already taken place or are taking place now, and also things that have yet to come. Therefore this is one of many proofs that it is the word of God/Allah (and has not been corrupted by man or men), as no man is capable of predicting the future and major future events. And if you study the quran you will see clearly its the best way of life, If you have doubts and are sincere then use you own brain to research islam, as God knows everything and whats best for us. Hope this helps answer you query, if not inshAllah (God Willing) someone else with better knowledge may be able to help you. :sunny:

I will try to post as much as i can of these, or hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me could possible post them instead. :sunny:

ps. sorry if any of that didnt make sence i have a major headache and have had very little sleep the day before, so please forgive if its incoherent.
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the question isnt about whats in the quran but why it is so important for it to not be changed.
 
ranma1/2 said:
so allah has somehow prevented it from being corrupted?
Or is it due to man and some sort of strict procedures?
Is it possible for me to change the quran? Say i write my own version, get it printed ect.. or will some force stop me?

as for allahs decrees, is it only particular ones? like not eating certain kinds of meat? or decrees only made to muslims? etc...
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There is nothing stopping you, though i obviously would not recommend it. However there are billions of copies of the real Quran world wide so you would be exposed sooner or later.

Also, the main importance of the Quran being preserved is that it is written in the Quran that Allah will prevent it from being corrupted. If it were shown that the Quran we have is not the same as the original then it means God did not fulfil the promise, it would prove that the Quran is wrong.

But, obviously, it is not true because the Quran has been preserved, as is evidenced by the strict compilation made by the Prophets companions.
 
the question isnt about whats in the quran but why it is so important for it to not be changed.
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1. because the Qur'an is a book sent for people till the Day of Judgement
2. if it would have been altered, the Qur'an would contradict itself.
3. if it would have been altered then Qur'an would be in the same level as Bible and Torah, while we believe Qur'an was sent to confirm the other books and put people of those books in the right path. (muslims' view)
4. if it would have been altered then another messenger would be needed to be sent for people of our time, in order to provide us with the right guidance, but we know that Muhammed saws is the last Prophet, so Qur'an can't be altered (Allah promised that will protect it).
5. if it would have been altered, it would not be the word of God, but merely a human production.

etc....
 
Malaikah said:
There is nothing stopping you, though i obviously would not recommend it. However there are billions of copies of the real Quran world wide so you would be exposed sooner or later.

Also, the main importance of the Quran being preserved is that it is written in the Quran that Allah will prevent it from being corrupted. If it were shown that the Quran we have is not the same as the original then it means God did not fulfil the promise, it would prove that the Quran is wrong.

But, obviously, it is not true because the Quran has been preserved, as is evidenced by the strict compilation made by the Prophets companions.
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oh no doubt, but still if god cant prevent me from changing it then he fails right?
So where in the quran does god say he will prevent us from changing it or does he ask us not to change ? Im not clear on that.
And why did god take so long to decide to do this. He could have saved millionsof lives by starting off with not allowing it to be corrupted.
 
vpb said:
1. because the Qur'an is a book sent for people till the Day of Judgement
2. if it would have been altered, the Qur'an would contradict itself.
3. if it would have been altered then Qur'an would be in the same level as Bible and Torah, while we believe Qur'an was sent to confirm the other books and put people of those books in the right path. (muslims' view)
4. if it would have been altered then another messenger would be needed to be sent for people of our time, in order to provide us with the right guidance, but we know that Muhammed saws is the last Prophet, so Qur'an can't be altered (Allah promised that will protect it).
5. if it would have been altered, it would not be the word of God, but merely a human production.

etc....
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1. evidence?
2. there are some that believe it does contradict itself.
3. there are those that believe it is.
4. there are those that believe it is not true to start with...
heck other similar based religions have shown up.
and that whys john smith showed up... ect...
5. evidence? even if it hasnt been altered it can still be the word of humans.

5.
 
ranma1/2 said:
oh no doubt, but still if god cant prevent me from changing it then he fails right?
So where in the quran does god say he will prevent us from changing it or does he ask us not to change ? Im not clear on that.
And why did god take so long to decide to do this. He could have saved millionsof lives by starting off with not allowing it to be corrupted.
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No, God does not fail if he does not stop you from creating your own blemished version of the Qur'aan. You have free-will, do as you will. However, God would be failing to keep his promise, if the Qur'aan as revealed by Allaah to Muhammad [Peace be upon him], ceased to exist, and only corrupted versions existed. However, such a thing will never happen, we have millions of copies of the true Qur'aan, and it is carved in the hearts of millions of believers, young and old alike.

There can, and have been corrupted versions of the Qur'aan, however, they were NEVER and will NEVER be accepted as the true Qur'aan by this Ummah.

It says in the Qur'an:-

Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. [15:9]​

The issue of previous nations books not being preserved, Ansar Al-'Adl already answered:-

Previous revelations were specific to the nation for which they were sent, hence the test for the people was to preserve the text. For the Qur'an, its message is universal, os insteading of being tested with preserving the text, Muslims have the test of propagating the message to the world, while God preserves the text. So everyone was tested, just in different ways.
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For previous revelations, God entrusted the duty of their preservation to their nation. But for the Qur'an, Muslims do not have the duty of its preservation but its propagation as the Qur'an is a revelation for all humanity (previous prophets were sent specifically to their nations).
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The nations who recieved the Tawrat and the Injeel were entrusted by God with the task of its preservation. But the final message from God, the Qur'an, was entrusted to Muslims with the task of its PROPAGATION to all the people of the world, and this time the task of its preservation was taken by God.
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The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said: 'Every Prophet used to be sent to his people alone but I have been sent to all mankind'. (Sahîh Bukhârî)
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In other words, the previous nations did not have the same test of having to propagate the message to all humanity, it was only their nation that had to implement it. For example, the people of Africa are not responsible for the message of Prophet Jesus pbuh.

The Qur'an however has been sent for all mankind, as God's final revelation. It is also interesting to note that this is an era where a universal message is more practical as it is the age of global communcation and exchange of ideas. So Muslims have the duty to propagate this message everywhere, and with that extra duty they are relieved of the task of preserving it.
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