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Quran is the central book surrounding my faith. Thats it.
What is the importance of the quran not being corrupted and..
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Salaam,
Obviously only Allah knows best. why other books were corrupted.
But as we can see the Quran say,they changed the words for a paltry price.
And this world is but a test,to see if people who say they belong to a particular faith WILL follow the Divine laws...
And Allah has sent Propeht after Prophet to teach the People of the true way,some of the Propeht were killed and other were subjugated and oppresed.
But in the end the message is told and then corrupted again.
Until the final Book which is the Quran.
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http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
you have plenty of information in the above two links to read about the Qur'an.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/ijaz.html
also this is a very good article ^^
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/
were the messengers before Muhammed saws sent as Last Messengers??? NO. (from muslims' point of view). Muhammed saws is the Seal of the Prophets. So if Muhammed saws is the last messenger, then the book should be protected since it is the last book, and no other book is going to be sent till day of judgement. If Qur'an would be altered, then ppl would have no guidance and another messenger would be needed, so would it be right to leave ppl without any guidance?? (Allah says in the Qur'an, that HE doesn't punish people without sending them a messenger), second , would Allah swt sent another messenger? (No, bc Allah swt doesn't lie or break his promise, cuz Allah swt said in the Qur'an that Muhammed is the last Messenger, with the last book). Also considering that Qur'an/Muhammed saws was sent for the whole world, not just for a particular nation.
But as for the previous books? did Allah swt say to the people that Jesus a.s or Moses a.s ... were the last prophets ??? No. The Torah got altered, then Jesus was sent, then the bible got altered , the Qur'an was sent. Allah left the responsibility to people to preserve books like Torah, Bible (Injeel) .etc. but people still failed to, some altered it intentionally some not, but at the end, the altered it, and changed Allah's words, and made haram>halal, and halal>haram. So Allah swt told us that as for the Qur'an , HE will protect it. and indeed it is protected. (try the links I provided u with above).
is it necessary for muslims to ask this question? I don't think so. Allah swt told us that HE will protect it, how, myself it wouldn't matter. We just know it is. But if you want to know then,
here are just two short articles.
http://www.islam101.com/quran/source_quran.html
http://www.islam101.com/quran/preservedQ.htm
as I said above, we don't mind how it is done, the main point is that , Allah swt promised us that HE will protect it.
an example:
When someone says to you that I will take care of this thing, don't worry. Should you really ask him how are you going to do it? Absolutely not. You trust that person, and u just know that he will take care of the thing that he promised u.
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hi.
1. maybe this is something that the human being is falling short of , in that maybe its the human being that needs to change whats within themselves, than to keep on digging and digging, until they end up exhausting themselves and giving up hope that there is something at the bottom of the hole. In other words, maybe the human being needs to reflect on whats within themselves.
2. the quran doesn't contradict itself. i would say to these people that they should study the the interpretation's of it. it would help alot.
3. I would say to those, what is their evidence/s for such a conclusion?
4. same as 3
5. no, it cannot. Because the person who it was revealed to (prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him) was an illiterate. how would that be possible then?? there are also amazing verses (such as the ones about the development of the human fetus) which conform to science. there is no way that a human being could have even known that 1400 years ago which out the aid modern technology.
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i think you are looking at it through a completely different window. it seems to me that you are looking at it through the window of capability. its not that Allah was unable to reveal it in a min. He was. whats the point of revealing it all in one go?? its like here have a book and model your lives based in it, but dont worry about not understanding it in its proper context. believe me, by Allah revealing the quran in that 23 years, is a blessing in disguise, because one has to look at in in its proper context to understand it, and thats where revelation in stages comes in. what would you do if your teacher was to hand you out your years work worth of homework and assignments, with out you beng taught before hand of the background of them? get my drift??
Salaam,
The Quran is a book of gudance and it also tell of laws that were passed unto the Propeht during the Propeht lifetme.
In short you can say hat it is a historical account of the Propeht life but in terms of response from Allah.
So it last as long as the Propeht is alive.
Simple right..
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so there is none?
they would disagree. And they have there own scholars that would disagree.
The quran i imagine.
see above.
Of course I believe its not true. Its origin from god is also bourght into doubt since you need people to tell you what it means. It is hardly made for the common man.
Yes it can. The illiteracy of the prophet is also brought into doubt. Even if he could not write "as much of the population" he did supposedly have "secretaries". Heck it took him so long to get it written they could have changed it then and there and he would not have likely rememebered it being different. There are plenty of plaucible explanations of how it could have been written. Not to mention the serious doubt into the validity of the "science". I still state that the "science" was known at the time and most of the "science" is nothing more but loose reading of something "with liberal translation" to fit vaguley another idea way after the fact.
Im curious why has the quran not inspired any science?
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Allaah says (translation of the meaning):
“Had We sent down this Quran on a mountain, you would surely have seen it humbling itself and rendering asunder by the fear of Allah.”
(Quran 59:21)
However, Allaah had a greater plan than to simply place it on a mountain for the Messenger to recieve.(Quran 59:21)
The Qur'an was revealed over a period of 23years so we could see the context of the verses. If you've actually read the Qur'an you'll see that certain verses were revealed during the time the Muslims were weak and oppressed, then other verses were revealed when the Muslims had their own state and faced the battlefield, other verses were revealed when the Muslims were secure, others were revealed when the Muslims were an established authority etc.
When we read the Qur'an, we see how it is in relation to the Prophet and his companions (which is also preserved for us authentically.) Therefore, any situation the Muslims face, they see the Prophetic example, they see the verses in regard to that situation so they can respond in a similar manner. This is then the perfect example for us as believers, and if we see any situation during the lifetime of the Prophet and his companions, we can follow their example and be successful.
With the Qur'an being revealed gradually has a greater wisdom behind it than just being revealed within one go.
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let me give you an analogy that perhaps would be more satisfactory and relevant, since I don't believe you can see eye to eye with someone who is standing at a different intersection ... firstly I don't think anyone should/could discuss a book any book really having skimmed through cliff notes. It doesn't work in any subject... least or most of which an entire doctrine that is centuries old of whom people spend a life time learning and still have a lack of perceptiveness to some basic fundamentals. I for instance speak perfect Arabic as it is my mother tongue and am constantly posing questions to scholars.. I can give you a quick example of that before I get back on track with my original example.. but someone was speaking about say the gardens of heaven (Janna) being heaven and I was arguing the that word Janna in and of itself literally in Arabic could be taken to denote that which is hidden/shielded from sight a derivative of the word jinoon and jinn-- you can see here multiple meaning in the dictionary
.. my logic being that in the Quran it states that there is that which no eye has seen nor ears have heard, thus one can't concluded or even perceive what Janna truly denotes, unless made into assimilation of things we readily understand and know, thus I didn't think that Janna meant gardens but had a more in depth meaning.. so I asked and I got an answer from someone who is better read than me.. obviously this is a very trivial topic and doesn't deal with other major issues of which in fact in spite of my Arabic would need a scholarly opinion (state affairs/ inheritance/ usury/ marriage/business) etc..
Islam is a way of life and isn't something that can be understood in a casual read.. now to get back to my original point of why G-D didn't reveal the Quran all at once when he is perfectly capable of doing it, after all he is Allah!..
I'll use the case of an elderly gentleman who walks into your office with severe hyponatrmia that is (abnormally low level of sodium in the blood) off the bat you might not think it is a big deal, get some anchovies and you'd be all set? fact is it is a very serious and severe problem and far more encompassing than a few words echoed in this post-- but just know that there is a set of problems that you'd need to dig deeper, to see for instance if this is a case of hyponatrmia with high serum osmolarity which could be a result of uncorrected hyperglycemia ( in a diabetic patient).. hyponatremia with normal serum osmolarity in which case you'd have to gear your thought more toward a defect in lipids or proteins... in other words the patient could potentially have an underlying liver problem due to alcoholism or cirrhosis or high cholesterol, you can have hyponatremia with low osmolarity in which case you have to determine what the extra fluid status is of this patient is, and with that comes a host of other problems, is the defect renal? is it congestive heart failure? is it syndrome of inappropriate anti-diuretic hormone secretion (SIADH) is it medication, is it nephrotic syndrome? is it hypothyroidism is it glucocorticoid deficiency ( the problem list is endless) ...
you think to yourself my G-D one tiny little electrolyte deficiency and the sky is falling.. if that wasn't enough of a problem to worry about.. correcting the problem in an of itself is a whole other dilemma.. are you feeling the weight of the responsibility? if you don't correct this, the person could potentially go into coma and die.. no joke here.. if you correct it too fast, let's say it is the sort of situation that calls for fluid correction and you simply decide to replace fluids with a saline solution, obviously containing the missing electrolyte sodium.. do you know what will happen? you end up with osmotic demyelination syndrome Aka central pontine myelinolysis - which manifests with mutism, dysphasia, spastic quadriparesis and pseudobulbar palsy a few days later and again your patient will die.. you've killed someone when you tried to give them simple salt a little too fast for their poor and tired body... If you were the person responsible on either front acting too fast or not acting at all will lead to death, so you use your logic, you are a conscionable human being and you think this person could be your father or your uncle, and you really want them to make it.. so you decide which is the best strategy to see them through...
I know you were probably looking for a simpler answer.. but there is no simple answer to a complex situation. Some things might seem elementarily simple and to the naked eye they really are, but that is just the tip of the ice berg and I hope I have demonstrated that to you on some remote level why there is wisdom in allowing something to cascade slowly than give it all in one shot...
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how is that circling around? i simply tried to give you a comparison, in hope that you could see it from a different perspective.
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There is no evidence to indicate that the Quran has been corrupted, tampered with, or otherwise altered since the time it was collated immediately after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saaws). There is only one Arabic version of the Quran that is still written and understood in the language of revelation. There were many companions of the Prophet (saaws) who memorized the Quran as it was being revealed and the Angel Jibrael would review the revealed portions of the Quran with Prophet Muhammad (saaws) each year during Ramadan. We Muslims believe that the Quran we have is the same as what was revealed to Muhammad (saaws) 1,400 years ago.
In my opinion, this lack of corruption does not prove more to the non-believer than Muslims were very diligent to preserve the Quran. I believe, however, that it is evidence that the Quran is the revealed Word of Allah and that He protected it from corruption as was prophesied in the Quran.
The importance of the lack of corruption is that, if the Quran is a revelation from Allah, then we have confidence that what we read is from Allah and not something made up by man.
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I think one point many doubters bring up is that you only take your quran from one point in its existence. Assuming it can be proven that all current versions are from that, what about proir works or for that matter how did it change even before it was written down.
And why did god not prevent his other works from corruption?
And how did he prevent this work from corruption? "it seems to me that all prevention was done my man"
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1. im not going to speak without knowlege. I never said that there wasn't any evidence. Even if I had evidence for you, you will still come up with some other argument to argue.
2. what's that got to do with me?? that's their own problem. i've given you what iam ale to give you, its up to you now to accept or reject it.
3. And what exactly is in the quran that would make them come up with that conclusion?
4. Well, if it was from a man, what use would that be? it would just cause confusion among people, as people have a tendency to disagree alot. i mean no offence to Christians, but take the Bible for example. And since we are talking about man written scriptures, I will put the argument to you as Allah has in a number of verses in the quran, the following being one of them: "And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful. (Translation 2:23)
5. Firstly, I do not appreciate you insulting the prophets (peace be upon him's) companions like this. Secondly its not my problem that people are in doubt. Why do people keep on bringing up ridicules arguments.
Did you ever even read abit about them? Maybe their honesty for example, or even their struggle for the religion is islam. Maybe you should, then that way oyu can see their hnsty and their no need to even think about, let alone put into practise trying to 'corrupt' (not that you could, even if you tried) the quran. Why would God fearing people (which they were great examples of) do that? They respected Gods Will much more than to try to corrupt it. Read the translation of these verses: "(This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds. And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart: Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath)." (69: 43-47). So this is Allah referring to His messenger. So what about anyone below that status???
And no they wouldn't have forgotten. If you love something, you would o you best to preserve it, you would make it your life. And that's what they did, they preserved the practice of the quran, as well as well as its words.
And as for the science being known at the time, really, this argument is just gong too far. Have you even read the verses in which I was referring too? Wouldn't have someone recorded sometime of such technologies at that time, so that others would build on their knowledge? Why would someone hide something like that??
It just seems to me in your posts that no matter what people put forth to you, you insist on rejecting it, and coming up with arguments after arguments. The more people justify, the more you argue.
Salaam,
I did not think you read the mustafamc reply to you ..
LEt me put i in point form..
1)Evry time a revelation came about,the Prophet recite it and those who heard it memorized it as well as scribes written it down.
2)For prayers muslim recite the Quran every day 5 times a day
3)Every Ramdhan the Propeht Muhammad saw would reicte the Quran till death.
And so you have scribes writing it down,thousand of people memorizing it,and USING it daily 5 times a day.
Also the Quran was colelcted into book form and arranged by the Prophet Muhamamd saw hand's that is how we got the chapters as they are.
Thus is the Quran remain uncorrupted.
But for you you doub the Quran authencity based on another reason.
You want to know why the other book are not preserved as well.
Thus becasue the other books are not preserved you say that disproves the Quran.
Allah knows best,but as is my reply before,Prophet after Propeht ws sent unto man with the same message.
And yet those messages were corrupted.
And Allah sent another Propeht and another.
And fnally Allah sent the Propeht Muhamamd saw and revealed the Quran,with a promise to keep it inviolate.
Thus you now have one book that is inviolate,unchaged but wonder why other book are not..
Thus you have book of divine guidance but shoose to follow other corrupted books.
That is a mystery as any..LOL..Allah knows best
Hmm...
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So i know you have an original quran, but what about these scribings?
Who was there to verify they were written correctly?
2. this has to do with once it was in book form correct?
3. same here correct?
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4. Well, if it was from a man, what use would that be? it would just cause confusion among people, as people have a tendency to disagree alot.....
Heck this happens in islam. How many fanatics do you have? how many sects? Or are they not just true islams? Why do others not agree with the quran? It seems to do just the above.
I will put the argument to you as Allah has in a number of verses in the quran, the following being one of them: "And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful. (Translation 2:23)
?huh? what does this qoute mean? see if you can make a better one? Well for that i woudl recommend looking at the Book of the GFSM and check out his 10 i rather you didnts...
5. Firstly, I do not appreciate you insulting the prophets (peace be upon him's) companions like this.
how did i insult them? by doubting them or the story?
Secondly its not my problem that people are in doubt. Why do people keep on bringing up ridicules arguments.
such as?
Did you ever even read abit about them? Maybe their honesty for example, or even their struggle for the religion is islam. ...
Why would God fearing people do that?
Do what? corrupt the quran? I doubt few would intentionaly do that. But look at the bible. those same god fearing people have apparently done the same. You also seem to be forgetting that what you have is the current version of the quran. What was it like before it was in book form?
....And as for the science being known at the time, really, this argument is just gong too far. Have you even read the verses in which I was referring too?
Which verse? Sorry to many threads.
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It just seems to me in your posts that no matter what people put forth to you, you insist on rejecting it, and coming up with arguments after arguments.
My problem is that your evidenec is the quran. Nothing else.
Heck this happens in islam. How many fanatics do you have? how many sects? Or are they not just true islams? Why do others not agree with the quran? It seems to do just the above.
I will put the argument to you as Allah has in a number of verses in the quran, the following being one of them: "And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful. (Translation 2:23)
?huh? what does this qoute mean? see if you can make a better one? Well for that i woudl recommend looking at the Book of the GFSM and check out his 10 i rather you didnts...
5. Firstly, I do not appreciate you insulting the prophets (peace be upon him's) companions like this.
how did i insult them? by doubting them or the story?
Secondly its not my problem that people are in doubt. Why do people keep on bringing up ridicules arguments.
such as?
Did you ever even read abit about them? Maybe their honesty for example, or even their struggle for the religion is islam. ...
Why would God fearing people do that?
Do what? corrupt the quran? I doubt few would intentionaly do that. But look at the bible. those same god fearing people have apparently done the same. You also seem to be forgetting that what you have is the current version of the quran. What was it like before it was in book form?
....And as for the science being known at the time, really, this argument is just gong too far. Have you even read the verses in which I was referring too?
Which verse? Sorry to many threads.
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It just seems to me in your posts that no matter what people put forth to you, you insist on rejecting it, and coming up with arguments after arguments.
My problem is that your evidenec is the quran. Nothing else.