"Why has Allah forbidden eating Pork?"

**meknesi** · 11-15-2005

Dr. M. Amjad Khan

In nearly all the western countries including Europe, the primary choice for meat is pig. There are a lot of farms in these countries to breed this animal. In France alone, Pig Farms account for more than 42,000. Pigs have the highest quantity of fat in their body than any other animal. The following report by a medical practitioner reveals the extent to which pig fat might be unknowingly consumed by Muslims throughout the world.

One of my friends, Shaikh Sahib works in Pegal, France, in the Department of Food. His work is to register all makes of goods, foods and medicines. Whenever any company is putting something in the market, its ingredients have to be approved by the Department of Food, France, and as Shaikh Sahib works in the Laboratory Quality Control, he knows about the ingredients. Many of these ingredients contain scientific names, but some have mathematical names, like E-904, E-141. At first, when Shaikh Sahib came across them, he was curious and asked his Department Incharge, who was a French, and he replied, "Just do your job. Don't ask questions." This aroused suspicion in Shaikh Sahib's mind and he started looking-up for them in the files. What he found was enough to astonish any Muslim in the world. In nearly all the western countries including Europe, the primary choice for meat is pig. There are a lot of farms in these countries to breed this animal. In France alone, Pig Farms account for more than 42,000. Pigs have the highest quantity of fat in their body than any other animal. But Europeans and Americans try to avoid fats. Thus, where does the fat from these pigs go? All pigs are cut in slaughter houses under the control of the department of food and it was the headache of the department of food to dispose of the fat removed from these pigs. Formally, it was burnt (about 60 years ago). Then they thought of utilizing it. First, they experimented it in the making of soaps and it worked. Then, a full network was formed and this fat was chemically processed, packed and marketed, while the other manufacturing companies bought it. In the meantime, all European States made it a rule that every Food, Medical and Personal Hygiene product should have the ingredients listed on it's cover. So, this ingredient was listed as pig fat. Those who are living in Europe for the past 40 years know about this. But, these products came under a ban by the Islamic countries at that time, which resulted in a trade deficit. Going back in time, if you are somehow related to South East Asia, you might know about the provoking factors of the 1857 Civil War. At that time, rifle bullets were made in Europe and transported to the sub-continent through the sea. It took months to reach there and the gunpowder in it was ruined due to the exposure to sea. Then, they got the idea of coating the bullets with fat, which was pig fat. The fat layer had to be scratched by teeth before using them. when the word spread, the soldiers, mostly Muslim and some vegetarians, refused to fight. This eventually lead to the Civil War. The Europeans recognized this fact, and instead of writing 'pig fat', they started writing 'animal fat'. All those living in Europe since 1970's know this fact. When the companies were asked by authorities from the Muslim countries, what animal fat is it, they were told it was cow and sheep fat. Here again a question arose, if it was cow or sheep fat, still it is haram to Muslims, as these animal were not slaughtered as per the Islamic law. Thus, they were again banned. Now, these multinational companies were again facing a severe drought of money as 75% of their income comes from selling their goods to Muslim Countries, and these earn billions of Dollars of profit from their exports to the Muslim world.

Finally they decided to start a coding language, so that only their Departments of Food Administration should know what they are using, and the common man is left lurking in the dark. Thus, they started E-Codes. These E-Ingredients are present in a majority of products of multinational firms including, but not limited to - tooth paste, shaving cream, chewing gum, chocolate, sweets, biscuits, corn flakes, toffees, canned foods, fruit tins, and some medications like multi-vitamins. Since these goods are being used in all Muslim countries indiscrimately, our society is facing problems like shamelessness, rudeness and sexual promiscuity.

So I request all Muslims to check the ingredients of the items of daily use and match it with the following list of E-Codes. If any of the ingredients listed below is found, try to avoid it, as it has got pig fat.=20
E100, E110, E120, E 140, E141, E153, E210, E213, E214, E216, E234, E252, E270, E280, E325, E326, E327, E334, E335, E336, E337, E422, E430, E431, E432, E433, E434, E435, E436, E440, E470, E471, E472, E473, E474, E475, E476, E477, E478, E481, E482, E483, E491, E492, E493, E494, E495, E542, E570, E572, E631, E635, E904.

It is the responsibility of each and every Muslim to follow the Islamic path and also keep his fellow followers informed of anything that he comes across. May Allah help us lead a halal life.

:eek:

**Rou** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by renak

Thanks. You clarified a lot for me.

Thank you for your respect...

**Muhammad** · 03-12-2006

Greetings renak,

You might be happy to hear that we actually have a few articles or discussions on the verses you quoted, so they should help to further clarify for you:

Originally Posted by renak

Surah 4:43 - A man may punish his wife by beating her

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...erse-34-a.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/marriage...e-beating.html

Surah 5:51 - Muslim must not take a Jew or a a Christian for a friend

http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#19

Surah 5:38 - Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands

http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-i...ariah-law.html

Forgiveness

Surah 24:2 - Adultery is punished by public flogging

http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-i...ent-islam.html

Surah 5:33 - Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...-violence.html

http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#17

Islam and Apostasy

Of course I could post many more quotes from the Quran and Bible. This is why I am asserting that Muslims and Christians follow only part of the rules in their holy books.

Note that Islam is a complete way of life, and therefore no part of it is impractical or hard to practice as it is a revelation from God. It is not permitted to only follow part of the Book and leave off what we don't like, as this is an action for which previous nations were rebuked in the Qur'an:

[2.85] ... Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the reward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

I hope that has been helpful,

Peace.

**------** · 03-12-2006

Woah a heated discussion going on here... But some good references nevertheless! [BANANA]Jazakallah![/BANANA]

**HeiGou** · 03-12-2006

Originally Posted by izmi

Why pork is forbidden by God in Judaism and Islam is an interesting question.
It is very easy to understand why blood is forbidden but why is pork?

Of course all the "medical" reasons look more like excuses for muslims who seem to be ill at ease with a prohibition they do not understand. Pork eating Westerners are among the longest living and healthiest people on earth.

My explanation (until I find a better one) is that in prehistoric times the pig was a very important animal. It was so important that it became "sacred" and became a taboo animal, in a similar way as the cow in Hinduism.
In the course of centuries the sacredness of the animal was lost and only remained the taboo on its eating. The sacredness changed into an impurity. That change from good to bad in known in the history of religion. For example lesser gods in polytheistic religions can become devils in subsequent stages.

Except Jews and Muslims hate pigs whereas Indians love cows (and northern Westerners have a memory of horse-worship and so do not eat, and love, them too).

It is more likely that the prohibition is a way of distinguishing between nomads and farmers. Jews presumably were nomadic at one point - Hebrew may come from a term related to nomad. Pigs are necessary, or at least highly important, as part of any long-term agricultural system of production. But pigs cannot be herded like sheep, they need constant water supplies because they do not sweat and so can't be kept in the desert and so are useless to nomads. As any nomad will tell you nomads have all the honor, farmers have none. So by not eating pork, they are showing they are the real aristocrats. Arabs took up this prohibition which is entirely in keeping with bedouin culture while Christians, when they started to convert non-nomadic Western farmers, did not.

By perhaps a total coincidence Islam also does not like dogs. While near-by in Iran the Zoroastrians did. Again a prohibition drives a wedge between the two communities.

**------** · 03-12-2006

Originally Posted by izmi

I also noticed that the muslim dislike of dogs could be related to the pig.

In what way...

**HeiGou** · 03-12-2006

Originally Posted by izmi

I explained that at first the pig had a statute similar to the cow in Hinduism. The cow remained "sacred" but not the pig.

Except there is still the difference that the cow and the horse in India and northern Europe are respected. The pig is not.

I heard that the prohibition of pig came from Egypt, where the opposition between nomadic and sedentary population does not exist.

Pigs in Ancient Egypt
by Marie Parsons
There is some divided speculation about the existence and usage of pigs in ancient Egypt. Was the Set-animal a pig, and therefore was the creature considered taboo since Set was thought to be an "evil" god? Was the pig connected with trichinosis and therefore thought unfit to eat? Was it simply considered unclean because of its particular habits? Did it exist at all in Egypt?

It is very unlikely that the ancients knew of any connection between trichinosis and eating undercooked pork. There is no evidence they had any taboo against more toxic materials or that they even knew of the existence of such dangers. Pigs were herded, raised, and occasionally eaten, throughout Egypt from the Predynastic period into the Late Period and Graeco-Roman times.

The local breed of domestic pig in ancient Egypt descended from an indigenous ancestor, sus scrofa, the Wild Boar. It was once abundant in the country and had a fairly extensive range throughout the Nile Valley, in the Delta, the Faiyum and the Wadi Natrun. The species only became locally extinct around the turn of the 20th century ACE, due to over-hunting and loss of its prime habitat.

The oldest domestic pig remains presently known in Egypt come from the large Predynastic settlement site of Merimda Beni Salama in the western Delta, dated to the fifth millennium BCE. Pig remains have been found throughout Egypt at sites such as Hierakonpolis, Maadi, Abydos, and Armant, near graves belonging to the poorer classes, indicating that pork was an element in their diet, at least at the Predynastic period. Cattle bones were found in graves belonging to more elite burials.

If there was a prohibition against eating pigs among the upper classes, there was none against raising them. In the early Fourth Dynasty tomb-chapel of Metjen at Saqqara, the deceased states that he received a bequest from his father that included "people, small livestock and pigs." The Eleventh Dynasty tomb of the nomarch Khety at Beni Hasan depicts a herd of pigs, the first in Egyptian art since the First Dynasty. Yet, while pig-farming continued on during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods, swine are conspicuously absent from the scenes of daily life that cover the walls of tomb-chapels of the upper classes and do not appear in the somewhat extensive offering lists. The explanation may be as simple as the fact that pigs are associated with grubbing in the dirt and rolling in the muck, perhaps considered unclean activities.

Pig-farming expanded during the New Kingdom. Inscriptions indicate that temples and wealthy citizens maintained large numbers of them on their country estates, and tomb-chapels of several nobles from the early 18th dynasty illustrate swine as well as other farmyard animals. The mayor of el-Kab relates that he owned a herd of fifteen hundred pigs. A temple of Amenhotep III at Memphis was endowed with some 1000 pigs and 1000 piglets, and the mortuary temple of Seti I at Abydos held large herds of swine on its domains.

Pigs are also shown in use for farming itself, as they tread seed into the soil, even into the time of Herodotus. Inscriptions on ostraca and other findings indicate that the workers at Deir el-Medina occasionally indulged in meals of pork.

So pigs were bred, raised and occasionally eaten in different places. What of the religious connection? Votive faience pig figurines dating to the first dynasty have been recovered Pigs in Ancient Egyptfrom Abydos, Hierakonpolis, and Elephantine Island. The figurines from Abydos were found by Petrie inside what he considered to be the sacred compound of the god Osiris.

The Egyptian Museum in Berlin also holds a ceramic statue, dated to the Naqada I period, of what has been called a pig deity, indicating at least that swine formed a part of religious life at this time. The Brooklyn Museum also possesses a cylinder seal dated to the First Dynasty that displays figures of bristling pigs carved on it, and other seals from this period also depict pigs.

According to some traditions, the god Min, most associated with the city of Coptos in Upper Egypt, was born of a white sow. In a charm against snake bite, he is described as son "of the white sow of Heliopolis/Iunu" which is a form of the goddess Isis.

Pigs in Ancient EgyptThe god Set appears as a pig with erect bristles in the Annals of King Sahure of the fifth Dynasty on the Palermo Stone. The passage is translated in Marshall Clagett’s volume as follows: …"The first occurrence of going to the South and Inventorying the House of Horus-Set." The accompanying note indicates that this is not a certain rendering, since instead of a falcon-sign for Horus, there is an owl, and the sign for Set is presumably a pig, though it also resembles an anteater. If the translation does refer to a House of Horus-Set, perhaps at this time Set was not considered "evil."

Beginning in the Third Intermediate Period, statuettes and amulets of a rooting sow nursing her litter were popular, representing the sky goddess Nut. Conversely, spells in the Coffin Texts and in the Book of Going Forth By Day (Book of the Dead) show Set turning himself into a boar, leading some scholars to speculate that the pig’s connection with "evil" forms the true basis of its small use in food consumption and temple offerings.

The god Set, associated with the pig in iconography, was by the Late Period and the Hellenistic age in Egypt to be the "evil" murderer of the god Osiris, and the adversary of the god Horus. Yet, Seti I had been perhaps a priest of Set—certainly his name meant "Man of Set," and he was not considered an evil king. Set also continued to be worshiped at Ombos and Tanis and other locations.

Pigs in Ancient EgyptThe question as to whether or not the pig was taboo becomes murkier perhaps when it is considered that the animal played a part in medicine. The Ebers Papyrus lists humor of "pig’s eyes" to be injected into the ear to cure blindness. Another prescription for the eyes included the blood of pigs. Pig’s tooth and other ingredients were crushed and bandaged onto infected parts of the body to expel exudations, perhaps a reference to pus or eczema. Pig’s viscera, including the brain, was an ingredient in another cure to combat a form of cancer.

As in today’s western culture, where "Pork" is getting a face-lift being called "the second white meat" in order to boost its consumption, perhaps more study of the place of the pig in ancient Egyptian society will uncover new information.

Sources:

* Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt
* Animals in Ancient Egypt by Patrick Houlihan
* Dictionary of Ancient Egyptian Gods and Goddesses by George Hart
* Ancient Egyptian Science, Vol I, by Marshall Clagett
* Food: the Gift of Osiris by William J. Darby, Paul Ghalioungui and Louis Grivetti

And there has always been some tension between nomads and sedentary people in Egypt. This is why the guarded Sinai so carefully.

I also noticed that the muslim dislike of dogs could be related to the pig.

As the sister said, how so? Unlike pigs, nomads need dogs.

**Rou** · 03-12-2006

Originally Posted by izmi

Hei Gou

I explained that at first the pig had a statute similar to the cow in Hinduism. The cow remained "sacred" but not the pig.

I heard that the prohibition of pig came from Egypt, where the opposition between nomadic and sedentary population does not exist.

Even if Jews/Hebrews were nomadic at one time (to which extent?) they intermingled with the Canaanites to the point of adopting their language.

I also noticed that the muslim dislike of dogs could be related to the pig.

Muslims are not to eat swine as it is stated within the quran as anunclean animal. its dislike is what has developed over a period of time i guess...

However a dog is not disliked the dog its self is mentioned within the quran many times but not as unclean animal..

the dog itself is not unclean it is its spit that is to be stayed away from...

**justahumane** · 03-12-2006

Originally Posted by Ladee_Maryam

Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
Answer..
The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:

1. Pork prohibited in Qur'ân
The Qur'ân prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur'ân 5:3]

The above verses of the Holy Qur'ân are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.

2. Pork prohibited in the Bible

The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you". "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you." [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass." [Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

4. Pork has fat building material
Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.

5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.

6. Pig is the most shameless animal
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years. According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay. source

Sister I think that u have copy pasted this answer from dr. Zakir Naik's IRF site. I will request any honourable member if he can clarify how come that Dr. Naik knows that pig invites his friends to have sex with his mates???????? Naturally it is supposed to be true coz such a great scholer of islam cant speak lies after starting with Bismillah, but I want any proof of his particular statement. if anyone can provide.

Thanks.

**HeiGou** · 03-12-2006

Originally Posted by Ladee_Maryam

1. Pork prohibited in Qur'ân

5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

Oh I don't know. Chickens are pretty good scavengers too. Even better than pigs actually.

6. Pig is the most shameless animal
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years. According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.

Has anyone who writes this tripe actually seen a male pig? I assure you there is precisely no chance they will ever invite another male pig to have sex with their sows. Pigs are usually kept in small groups with one male only for a very good reason. In the wild boars have tusks. These are useful for digging but their main use is to rip the guts out of other male pigs. Boars can kill horses and have done so when hunted by humans. They have killed Kings and peasants alike. They do not tolerate even the presence of another male asult pig in the vicinity.

**j4763** · 03-13-2006

Originally Posted by Rou

the dog itself is not unclean it is its spit that is to be stayed away from...

Why is this? Afaik the dogs spit was used on open wounds during ww1 as it contains a natural antiseptic.

**M H Kahn** · 03-13-2006

Originally Posted by Ninjaress

WHY IS PORK FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM?

Bob: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?

Yunus: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which i not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the distinction between the two.

Bob: Can you give me an example?

"Yunus: Yes, Islam has prohibited ! blood of any type. You will agree "that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health. "

"Bob: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that 98% of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed through urination.

Yunus: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed method of animal slaughter in Islam.

Bob: What do you mean?

"Yunus: You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of the 'Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all
other veins and organs intact.

"Bob: I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood from the! body, rather than an injury to any vital organ. "

"Yunus: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood
would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and contaminated with
uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today did our dietitians realize such a thing.

"Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.

"Yunus: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of pork,bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter 11, verse 8, regarding swine it says, ""of their flesh (of the swine another name for pig)shall you not eat, and of their carcass you shall not touch; they are " unclean to you."" " Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it does not have a neck; that is according to its natural anatomy. A Muslim reasons that if the pig was
to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck.

" Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork chops, ham, bacon.

Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various diseases as the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and potential diseases.

"Yunus: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid content in the blood, it is important to note that the pig's biochemistry
excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content,
the remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body.

I hope you benefited and may Allah guide us all...Ameen..

You cannot give such justifications as to why Allah has forbidden the pork. Has Allah made us known anywhere that the reasons you have outlined were taken into consideration by Him in forbidding pork for humans? Obviously not. Then is it not transgressing the limit set by Allah ? You have given justification as if revelation was made by Allah to that effect. But actually, there is none; all you have delineated is your own composition, but aired as Allah's reason. Had I wrongly done such an act of transgression, I would have repented, cried and sought Allah's forgiveness, as Allah says:

2:79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby."

**M H Kahn** · 03-13-2006

Originally Posted by Ninjaress

WHY IS PORK FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM?

Bob: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?
Yunus: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which i not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the distinction between the two.
Bob: Can you give me an example?
"Yunus: Yes, Islam has prohibited ! blood of any type. You will agree "that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health. "
"Bob: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that 98% of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed through urination.
Yunus: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed method of animal slaughter in Islam.
Bob: What do you mean?
"Yunus: You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of the 'Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all
other veins and organs intact.
"Bob: I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood from the! body, rather than an injury to any vital organ. "
"Yunus: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood
would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and contaminated with
uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today did our dietitians realize such a thing.
"Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.
"Yunus: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of pork,bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter 11, verse 8, regarding swine it says, ""of their flesh (of the swine another name for pig)shall you not eat, and of their carcass you shall not touch; they are " unclean to you."" " Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it does not have a neck; that is according to its natural anatomy. A Muslim reasons that if the pig was
to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck.

" Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork chops, ham, bacon.

Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various diseases as the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and potential diseases.
"Yunus: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid content in the blood, it is important to note that the pig's biochemistry
excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content,
the remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body.
I hope you benefited and may Allah guide us all...Ameen..

You cannot give such justifications as to why Allah has forbidden the pork. Has Allah made us known anywhere that the reasons you have outlined were taken into consideration by Him in forbidding pork for humans? Obviously not. Then is it not transgressing the limit set by Allah ? You have given justification as if revelation was made by Allah to that effect. But actually, there is none; all you have delineated is your own composition, but aired as Allah's reason. Had I wrongly done such an act of transgression, I would have repented, cried and sought Allah's forgiveness, as Allah says:

2:79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby."

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 03-13-2006

heh

i aint read the debate but jus thot i'd mention,
even if pork wasnt forbidden i wouldnt eat an animal that chews on secretion, rolls on mud and lives in a completely foul way.
and neway the scientific flaws of eatin pork hav been stated so wat more is needed

speakin ma mind

**M H Kahn** · 03-13-2006

Of course all the "medical" reasons look more like excuses for muslims who seem to be ill at ease with a prohibition they do not understand. Pork eating Westerners are among the longest living and healthiest people on earth.

I have to agree with you here in that the justifications are personal opinions of the writer of the story, but spread as reasons of God's prohibition as if God has given such reason in any revelation.

Such man-made explanations are actually tantamount to interference in the realm of God with regard to what He has not made known to the humans. A believer cannot invent any whimsical justification in the name of science as to why Allah has given some order, whie Allah has not made the reasons known through any revelation or through his prohhet, and as such, this is like claiming to have known which Allah has kept unknown and clear transgression of the limit set by Allah for believing people. Spreading such invented explanations as (undisclosed) reasons for Allah's ordainment is but lies attributed to Him. This type of over invention has already caused much corruption in Islam and spread various innovations some of which are like associating partners with Allah, Who says in this regard:

4:48 "God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed."

6:82 "It is those who believe and confuse not their beliefs with wrong - that are (truly) in security, for they are on (right) guidance."

The right answer in such cases is: "And they( the believers) say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."[2:285]

**Rou** · 03-13-2006

Originally Posted by j4763

Why is this? Afaik the dogs spit was used on open wounds during ww1 as it contains a natural antiseptic.

Human spit and cat spit also contains antibiotics and?

In a situation where you need to apply antiseptic to a wound you can use whatever spit you want not only a dogs...

**Rou** · 03-13-2006

Originally Posted by M H Kahn

You cannot give such justifications as to why Allah has forbidden the pork. Has Allah made us known anywhere that the reasons you have outlined were taken into consideration by Him in forbidding pork for humans? Obviously not. Then is it not transgressing the limit set by Allah ? You have given justification as if revelation was made by Allah to that effect. But actually, there is none; all you have delineated is your own composition, but aired as Allah's reason. Had I wrongly done such an act of transgression, I would have repented, cried and sought Allah's forgiveness, as Allah says:

2:79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby."

I do agree to a point the flesh of swine is prohibted by god not on the grounds that it is unhealthy that is human thought , its a divine law and muslims live by it the question if it were to be put is is that exactly what the verse means...and yes the verse is quote clear so that would be the end of it... question what the verses mean is not prohibted but to make up asumptions as to why such a thing existed and present it as though it is a reason from god is...

**family** · 03-13-2006

Great Post!!! Good Post sister
Wasallam

**M H Kahn** · 03-13-2006

"There are many signs in the heavens and the earth which they pass by; yet they pay no attention to them! [12:105] As a result most of them who believe in Allah also commit shirk. [12:106] "

**Yusuf_1979** · 03-14-2006

Wasalaam Brothers and sisters,

I dont think any one brought up this point,so I will:

When Iesa(A.S) casted demons out of people, what animal did he send them into?

In the bible,when Iesa(A.S) asked the names of the demons, they replied "legion, for which we are many." What animal was speaking to Iesa(A.S)?

The pig is evil. This is why Iesa(A.S) and his original followers never ate the flesh of pigs.(that and they were Jews who kept Kosher,went to Temple,circumsion,ect) Only when Saul(who claimed in some crazy vision to have seen Jesus(pbuh) comes along, does he now claim that it is ok to eat the flesh of pigs.Remember, Iesa(A.S) came to confirm the Taurat, not destroy it And part of keeping the Taurat meant KEEPING KOSHER!!!!!!!

Saul pretty much disregarded all of what the Prophet Iesa(A.S) had revealed and essentially, started his own religion. This is why people of "The Way"(i.e Christians) worship the Prophet Iesa(A.S) as God(swt) insted of The Creator of All Living Things(swt)And also why the bible is contradictiary and full of errors. Had the "People of The Way" been following Iesa(A.S) and his orginal followers insted of Saul,they'd all be devout Jews.

"The Way" have spiraled out of control through out history and this is the what they are left with today. They have become the very thing Iesa(A.S) was so vehemently against,idolizers and idolization. Dont believe so? Take a walk through the Catholic church.

"All Praise Be To Allaah"

**moujahid** · 03-14-2006

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

I eat pork, bacon and ham all the time and I've never noticed any ill effects.

Also, if eating meat from an animal that hasn't been slaughtered in a halaal way is so injurious to health, howcome Westerners in general don't notice ill effects resulting from this either?

Peace

The point is ..if you eat pig...you behave like a pig. pig is the only animal that goes around and has sex with th rest of the sow(female pig)...or in other words switches his girlfriend every night...the kind of society we see today in america and europe. and people have gone to pig farms to see exactly what they do..and i personally know a scholar who went there once...its not something wrong..if you wanna confront the pig eaters..u need to examine everything...this answers the doubts of justahumane

Originally Posted by justahumane

Sister I think that u have copy pasted this answer from dr. Zakir Naik's IRF site. I will request any honourable member if he can clarify how come that Dr. Naik knows that pig invites his friends to have sex with his mates???????? Naturally it is supposed to be true coz such a great scholer of islam cant speak lies after starting with Bismillah, but I want any proof of his particular statement. if anyone can provide.

Thanks.