Sikhism

**Bittersteel** · 10-10-2005

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curious.

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-25-2006

Originally Posted by SHAH G

hi sikh brother in many of your web site put abdul qadir jilani and guru aswell you will find info from any search engine

In Baghdad Guru Nanak stayed at a graveyard outside the town, and Mardana as usual was with him. Early in the morning before dawn, Mardana played the rabab and the Master sang his song about the infiniteness of God and His Creation wherein occurred the expression: there are numerous patals (earths) and innumerable akashs (sky), when some Muslim who was listening to it and understood its purport went and reported the blasphemy of the utterance, inasmuch as the Qu'ran had mentioned seven earths and seven skies only, to the Sajjdanashin of the Shrine of Pir Dastagir Abdul Qadir Jilani.

The Pir ordered that the offender be stoned to death and numerous people armed themselves with stones and rushed out. In the meantime Guru Nanak concluded his morning prayers with the greeting "Sat Kartar", in a voice divinely electrifying, which immediately disarmed the mob.

On this, a pir [saint], Bahlol by name, came forward and had a discourse with Guru Nanak on the subject of the morning prayer. Accompanying the pir was his son and such was the effect of the Guru's answers that first the son and then the father confessed their conversion and admitted the truth of the maxim that creation was not confined to seven earths and seven skies only Guru Nanak stayed in Baghdad for four months and had many discourses with other holy men. Before his departure from there he was presented a chola [robe] as a token of respect on which verses in Arabic are inscribed. This chola lies preserved in the Gurdwara at Dera Baba Nanak, in Pakistan.

Where is this claim you make?

**SHAH G** · 09-25-2006

my father told me sori if i'm wrong obviously you must know more cos your a sikh

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-25-2006

Originally Posted by SHAH G

my father told me sori if i'm wrong obviously you must know more cos your a sikh

Sorry brother but your father is mistaken in places!

'Guru Nanak Sahib never came with a new religion' Guru Nanak then Passed on his mission to Guru Angad Dev Ji, who was to succeed him. So this continued until the Tenth Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

So he never preached Islam but the relgion of God. Guru Nanak was respected by all but he was no Muslim!

I highlight the red and that shows THEY converted to what Guru was saying and accepting what he said to be true! Not the other way round brother

Gur Fateh

**north_malaysian** · 09-26-2006

Sheikh Abdul Qadir Al Jailani is very famous among Malays

**Fishman** · 09-26-2006

One of the quotes I read from Guru Nanak says something about Muslims believing that God (swt) lives in the west. How can this be correct since Muslims believe that God (swt) lives 'above' (through some other dimension, not in space) his creation.

**north_malaysian** · 09-26-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

One of the quotes I read from Guru Nanak says something about Muslims believing that God (swt) lives in the west. How can this be correct since Muslims believe that God (swt) lives 'above' (through some other dimension, not in space) his creation.

In fact God is nearer to us than the vein inside our neck...

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-26-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

One of the quotes I read from Guru Nanak says something about Muslims believing that God (swt) lives in the west. How can this be correct since Muslims believe that God (swt) lives 'above' (through some other dimension, not in space) his creation.

Dude it's been addressed here before, please look thorugh because i'm honestly tired of repeating myself! - No offence

**Curaezipirid** · 09-26-2006

Perhaps connected to the direction of rotation of the Earth relative to the sun? But I don't know and must also apologise to AvarAllahNoor for being less than dutiful about reading this entire thread. The search function could help.

wasalam

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-27-2006

THAT ALI SINA BANDER IS A BAHAI THEY SAY, AND HE DARES TO RIDICULE SIKHISM!!!!

LORD AM I INFURIATED!! - Nowhere can you find any reference to the Sikh Gurus committing an act of crime etc etc. The Gurus from Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not indulge in anything that would class them to be evil!

That roshan/ali baba claim we Sikhs are Muslims!!!! Is it not enough for them that Sikhs are attcked for the appearance, now they need to address us as a breakaway group of Islam? :-(

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-27-2006

@Moshsin - Brother you say Sikhs are only offended by that site because it's attacking us now! That is true, because i can think of various sites that are created by Muslims that attack Sikhism, but i won't go into that right now! So you can understand why we don't support muslims in that sense! - But like i say we don't need to argue over that! - THAT site has infuriated me!!!

**Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн** · 09-27-2006

no one should attack anyone..end of story!
If your gunna do that, dont backbite! do it to their face

**SHAH G** · 09-27-2006

Nah Man It Aint Right Sayin Tings To Sikh Or Muslim Everyone Is Equal And I Know Some Sikh That Like Baba Bullah Shah And Some Other Stuff I Also Know Hundus That Go To Muslim Wali Graves Like Khwaja Ajmer Shariff They All So Say Dat Day Get Benifit From Dat Wer All Equal

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-28-2006

Originally Posted by Tayyaba

no one should attack anyone..end of story!
If your gunna do that, dont backbite! do it to their face

Indeed sister, do it to the face as you say! - At least then people can give their side of things.

Of course questions and debate are different but blantantly attacking another faith is ridiculous! - Well i've been banned from the site and IP address! :grumbling

EDIT:: Spelling error corrected to prevent confusion. Poster has been notified of correction

**Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн** · 09-28-2006

lol that stinks. well that site isn't worth even a penny.

**Fishman** · 09-28-2006

Which Ali Sina? The one who claims to be an apostate Muslim?

**Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн** · 09-28-2006

Yes, thats him.

**Munawwarah** · 09-28-2006

Sikhs do seem to have taken things from Islam. I know people always mistake Sikhs for being Muslim.

**Azhar786** · 09-28-2006

salaam
Guru Nanak (1469-1539) was one of the greatest religious innovators of all time and the founder of the Sikh religion.

Guru Nanak's birthday is celebrated by Sikhs on April 14th by the Nanakshahi calendar. (The date according to the lunar calendar changes anually but is usually in November.)

Nanak's religious ideas draw on both Hindu and Islamic thought, but are far more than just a synthesis. Nanak was an original spiritual thinker and expressed his thoughts in extraordinary poetry that forms the basis of Sikh scripture.

Little is known about the life of Nanak, but Sikh tradition has a much-loved set of stories or janam sakhis which relate various incidents from his life, and include many of his important teachings.

Nanak was born about 40 miles from Lahore (now in Pakistan) in 1469. Sikh traditions teach that his birth and early years were marked with many events that demonstrated that God had marked him out for something special and was keeping an eye on him.

His family were Hindus, but Nanak soon showed an advanced interest in religion and studied Islam and Hinduism extensively. As a child he demonstrated great ability as a poet and philosopher.

One famous story about Guru Nanak tells of his rebellion at the age of eleven. At this age Hindu boys of his caste would start to wear the sacred thread to distinguish them. Nanak refused, saying that people should be distinguished by the things that they did, and their individual qualities, rather than by a thread.

Nanak continued to demonstrate a radical spiritual streak - arguing with local holy men and sages, both Hindu and Muslim, that external things like pilgrimages, penances, and poverty were of far less spiritual importance than internal changes to the individual's soul.

He worked for a while as an accountant but while still quite young decided to devote himself to spiritual matters. He was inspired by a powerful spiritual experience that gave him a vision of the true nature of God, and confirmed his idea that the way to spiritual growth was through meditation and through living in a way that reflected the presence of the divine within each human being.

In 1496, although married and having a family, Nanak set out on a set of spiritual journeys through India, Tibet and Arabia that lasted nearly 30 years. He studied and debated with the learned men he met along the way and as his ideas took shape he began to teach a new route to spiritual fulfilment and the good life.

The last part of his life was spent at Kartarpur in the Punjab, where he was joined by many disciples attracted by his teachings.

The most famous teachings attributed to Guru Nanak are that there is only one God, and that all human beings can have direct access to God with no need of rituals or priests. His most radical social teachings denounced the caste system and taught that everyone is equal, regardless of caste or gender.

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-29-2006

Originally Posted by Munawwarah

Sikhs do seem to have taken things from Islam. I know people always mistake Sikhs for being Muslim.

Yes but Muslims are similar to Jews, but we don't say you're jews do we!

**AvarAllahNoor** · 09-29-2006

Originally Posted by Azhar786

Little is known about the life of Nanak, but Sikh tradition has a much-loved set of stories or janam sakhis which relate various incidents from his life, and include many of his important teachings.

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I'm not sure where you've got this information from, but this statement is incorrect. Everything is known about Guru Nanak Dev ji & can be provided!