You are sitting here telling me that the book has no claim to reincarnation!!!!
Yet most Huindu's are upon this!!! and idol worshipping on top of that.
I agree that the Vedas originally calls to worship of one god and the Krishna's, etc. were all holy people, but that is another story.
We have already touched on the attrocoties that some Hindu's have done, but your right, its not in your your nature to fight or kill right?
Brother, vedas are not divine book nor it claims to be divine. Vedas were written by human beings who thought themselves to be patrons of religion.
U are living in darkness of ignorence if u think that hindu is a religion, plz come out of it.
Its human nature to fight and kill coz shaitan is not a seperate entity as Islam suggests, shaitan is very much inside us. The only difference is that the book u are quoting doesnt asks anyone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN. Thus it gives nobody a chance to kill someone and declare that I killed coz BHAGVAN wanted me to kill according to the book. Plz stop thinking that muslims have sole right over terrorism, anyone can be terrorists as some hindus are too.
No question of any offence brother, U can say anything.
I think that U are talking about the charity/zakat issue. Plz eleborate further whats ur point.
ALLAH knows best, till now its ur only comment I m able to be agree with U.
thanks
There will always be poor on this earth, unless every single person on the planet gave 2-4% of their wealth away, and it could be distributed evenly.
No country has the ability to give away this amount and completley abolish poverty because the figures wouldnt work on such a small scale. (Especially when the majority of rich people are in the west.)
I think if you want to debate Islam and Hinduism we should open another thread because this one is large enough with just the topic of Sikhism!!
Brother, vedas are not divine book nor it claims to be divine. Vedas were written by human beings who thought themselves to be patrons of religion.
U are living in darkness of ignorence if u think that hindu is a religion, plz come out of it.
Its human nature to fight and kill coz shaitan is not a seperate entity as Islam suggests, shaitan is very much inside us. The only difference is that the book u are quoting doesnt asks anyone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN. Thus it gives nobody a chance to kill someone and declare that I killed coz BHAGVAN wanted me to kill according to the book. Plz stop thinking that muslims have sole right over terrorism, anyone can be terrorists as some hindus are too.
Well i have some hindu friends who would be pretty worried to know their 'way of life' is not a religion.
Open another thread matey and insha Allah i will join you there
Brother I request u with folded hands that plz come out of ur ignorance and stop calling hindu a religion, coz its not. And what u mean by ppls of my religion created temples for rats and the sun? do U subscribe to the school fo thought of those ppls who says that U are a muslim therefore U are a terrorist? A word for wise is enough, so plz stop showing me what silly things ppls of my religion are doing and instead concentrate what ppls of ur religion are doing and giving the great religion a bad name.
This is where i (personally) have a problem. You believe that we can actually become like Allah? The Lord and Creater of All?
You think He took parts of himself and let them try and 'somehow' get back to him through good deeds and rememberence?
A'Stagfir Allah!!
This is where Sikhism and Islam totally differ, as we call this Shirk (ascribing partners with Allah)
Dont come back at me with the whole 'If a bottle falls into the 'one' sea is the sea not within and all around the bottle' because that for me is useless.
No we can't become Godlike, Soory that was a misquote by me.
Waheguru Satnaam!
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Brother, vedas are not divine book nor it claims to be divine. Vedas were written by human beings who thought themselves to be patrons of religion.
U are living in darkness of ignorence if u think that hindu is a religion, plz come out of it.
Its human nature to fight and kill coz shaitan is not a seperate entity as Islam suggests, shaitan is very much inside us. The only difference is that the book u are quoting doesnt asks anyone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN. Thus it gives nobody a chance to kill someone and declare that I killed coz BHAGVAN wanted me to kill according to the book. Plz stop thinking that muslims have sole right over terrorism, anyone can be terrorists as some hindus are too.
Yes everyone has a personal Shaytan (not within) who whispers to you.
Ok, so because your religion doesnt have any rules so what makes you say that it is wrong to have them?
Even Sikhism realises that struggle in the way of God is nescisary when required.
To you to base your claims of it not being from Allah on this is pretty narrow minded.
There are threads on this forum All'hamdollinllah that deal with this issue.
Brother I request u with folded hands that plz come out of ur ignorance and stop calling hindu a religion, coz its not. And what u mean by ppls of my religion created temples for rats and the sun? do U subscribe to the school fo thought of those ppls who says that U are a muslim therefore U are a terrorist? A word for wise is enough, so plz stop showing me what silly things ppls of my religion are doing and instead concentrate what ppls of ur religion are doing and giving the great religion a bad name.
Thanks
Your right, apparently, from your point of view I dont know enough about your faith to make an assumption so please open a new thread and let me know when you have.
Everybody is a Sikh, they just don't realise it yet...
Again, will the world be full of just practicing Sikhs in Gurdwara's, with no birds, fish, insects, mammals, reptiles, plants or tree's (as they would all need to become human in order for them to ascend?)
Oh thanks Sis, I never know that we have someone with such divine authority to declare things like that. good to have U sister. may ALLAH bless U.
Thanks
yea well that was when i was thinking the same as hanif. But since u said it came out wrong i thought to myself " ok thats fine." So i apologize. I only answered you according to how u commented
May Allah(swt) guide you
Peace
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
SSA,
sikhism is also a revealed religion (like The Big 3) as it was revealed to the guru nanak and the other gurus by god - is that right?
does sikhism consider itself to be The One True Religion in the sense that christians and muslims do?
thanks
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
Again, will the world be full of just practicing Sikhs in Gurdwara's, with no birds, fish, insects, mammals, reptiles, plants or tree's (as they would all need to become human in order for them to ascend?)
I sense sarcasm! - Sikh means 'Learner' so you as a muslim are learning about Islam, so in that sense you'd be called a Sikh too. Unless of course you think you have all the knowldege of Islam, they of course i'd be wrong!
Now back to your point. God makes all the world and along with the creations.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
SSA,
sikhism is also a revealed religion (like The Big 3) as it was revealed to the Guru Nanak and the other gurus by God - is that right?
does sikhism consider itself to be The One True Religion in the sense that christians and muslims do?
thanks
Yes it was revealed by God to Guru Nanak and the other 9 Guru's
No, Sikhs don't claim we alone are the true religion, but remember the first people to covert to Sikhism (Guru Nanaks time) were Muslims and Hindus. They saw the real and unique message that other religions lacked/moved away from - Sikhi teaches all relgions are from the Lord. If those that think that's rubbish, ask them what makes them know the Omnipotence of God, and why they think this!
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Yes it was revealed by God to Guru Nanak and the other 9 Guru's
No, Sikhs don't claim we alone are the true religion, but remember the first people to covert to Sikhism (Guru Nanaks time) were Muslims and Hindus. They saw the real and unique message that other religions lacked/moved away from - Sikhi teaches all relgions are from the Lord. If those that think that's rubbish, ask them what makes them know the Omnipotence of God, and why they think this!
This is where islam totally disagrees with sikhism
How can more than one religion be rioght. how can god create more than one religion. gos is erfect, he doesnt err or make mistakes. If X is a way to salvation, then Y isnt. If after we die we go to heaven/hell, then there is no reincarnation. If jesus is a prophet, then he isnt son of god. If god is one, then there isnt more than one god. Why would god create religions which contradict each other. UI've asked this several times on this thread before but AvarAllahnoor always avoided the question, just like he will now. He'll claim to have answered it, but in reality when the brother did eventually reply to it he didnt answer the question completely, just answered in riddle form i'm sad to say. this aspect of sikhism i find is the most difficult 4 me to understand.
Make Dua for your Brothers and the Angels will make Dua for You!
Happy moments, Praise Allah
Difficult moments, Seek Allah
Quiet moments, Worship Allah
Painful moments, Trust Allah
Every moment, Thank Allah
If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
This is where islam totally disagrees with sikhism
How can more than one religion be rioght. how can god create more than one religion. gos is erfect, he doesnt err or make mistakes. If X is a way to salvation, then Y isnt. If after we die we go to heaven/hell, then there is no reincarnation. If jesus is a prophet, then he isnt son of god. If god is one, then there isnt more than one god. Why would god create religions which contradict each other. UI've asked this several times on this thread before but AvarAllahnoor always avoided the question, just like he will now. He'll claim to have answered it, but in reality when the brother did eventually reply to it he didnt answer the question completely, just answered in riddle form i'm sad to say. this aspect of sikhism i find is the most difficult 4 me to understand.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
Ok, brother i've not avoided it but you dont seem to grasp what is said in relation to it.
All religions were formed by God, but during the process (centuries passing) the sacred scriptures of all the faiths have been corrupted. (now who's going to admit to this) in the Guru Granth Sahib it states this aong with the verse about 'Kuran, Torah, Bible, and Vedas being true. (But before the scriptures were meddled with) Now Muslims claim the Torah and Bible have been meddled with, this is obvious. But you deny the Quran has been meddled with, correct?
So now can you understand. It's as simple as that. and not as difficult to grasp. God saw this and sent Guru Nanak on a mission to rectify this. But today once again the world is in turmoil. And only he knows what he's planning or planned
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
BTW - Can anyone name a holy scripture written by the Prophet of their faith, and not by disiples?? None spring to mind other than the Sikhs 'Guru Granth Sahib' which was written by Guru Arjan Dev ji the fifth Guru. And many reputable historians refer to this major fact..
Last edited by AvarAllahNoor; 10-15-2006 at 10:33 AM.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
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