I guess westerners can never really get away from the porn and sadistic-exhibitionistic roots that they love so much (the sort we have seen at abu gharib) how far erased from memory?.. not only are these scanners in violation of child-pornography laws (just search google) but they are really basically aimed at Muslims and I am pretty sure they'll restrict it to profiled people (Muslims) or those they wish to see naked!
If you want to go make pilgrimage or whatnot, be prepared to nullify your efforts to the gawking eyes of dog ****s at the airports!
7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel!
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yes but we are not the statue of David or Jupiter and io or daphne and apollo we are Muslim women and men who are appalled by this assault-- it is visual rape if it is against your will!
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Sometimes I want to take the thread with utmost and then you or br. yusuf have to make me ROFL
She has hair, it just doesn't show..
I have no more comments I am quite upset about this since I really want to make pilgrimage insha'Allah, and I can just see a knuckle sandwich coming their way if I am angered by one of those skanks with a scan and I anger so easily .........
but then take a train, or there are a million ways to travel. dont let something stop you. there are always choises.
I have seen them and i think they are less graphic in content then say the Statue of David, or Venus de Milo, or or or 1000 other things.
you allow a doctor to examine you medically so he can use whatever scan to best diagnose the illness...the islamically valid excuse you have here is ''medical reasons''...so what excuse do you have if you want to travel to spain for a nice holiday offering the them to peep at your hardware and violating your awrah at the extreme butt naked level or tush naked whatever you wanna call it
How can you guarantee that the person who's doing the peeping will be a female?
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yes but we are not the statue of David or Jupiter and io or daphne and apollo we are Muslim women and men who are appalled by this assault-- it is visual rape if it is against your will!
but it is not against your will. buying an airplain ticket is confirming you will agree to any BS they deside to put you through or you cant fly. there are 1 million different ways to travel and people have the freedom to choose which they prefer. life is all about choises.
but it is not against your will. buying an airplain ticket is confirming you will agree to any BS they deside to put you through or you cant fly. there are 1 million different ways to travel and people have the freedom to choose which they prefer. life is all about choises.
Yes let me book my trip to Makkah from now, by the time I bike or boat there I should make it in time by next pilgrimage!
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you allow a doctor to examine you medically so he can use whatever scan to best diagnose the illness...the islamically valid excuse you have here is ''medical reasons''...so what excuse do you have if you want to travel to spain for a nice holiday offering the them to peep at your hardware
How can you guarantee that the person who's doing the peeping will be a female?
and plenty of people let cosmetic doctors look at them and its not for medical reasons. its pure vanity... (and i dont mean only in western countries.)
there may not be an islamically valid excuse but the whole point of covering was to be modest i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... i hardley doubt thats enough to make someone go PeeWee Herman in the airport.
and plenty of people let cosmetic doctors look at them and its not for medical reasons. its pure vanity... (and i dont mean only in western countries.)
there may not be an islamically valid excuse but the whole point of covering was to be modest i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... i hardley doubt thats enough to make someone go PeeWee Herman in the airport.
for them to describe the exact shape of what they saw in great detail makes it an abomination of the worst order
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and plenty of people let cosmetic doctors look at them and its not for medical reasons. its pure vanity... (and i dont mean only in western countries.)
there may not be an islamically valid excuse but the whole point of covering was to be modest i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... i hardley doubt thats enough to make someone go PeeWee Herman in the airport.
The whole point is that it is a violation a public ravishment really meant to force Muslims to do exactly what they don't want to do (expose themselves even if it be for two seconds). It doesn't matter who likes sex for hire, or who does a butt lift every two years or gets 750cc implants or what the Grecian section at the met shows. It is about the individual desire and it is against the will, because when one desires to travel one likes to keep their civil liberties and rights and if they are forcing you to do something you don't want to do or find some other mode of travel for some concocted reasons. Frankly I believe half of the crap they frame and pin on Muslims is done by them. on CNN this alleged bomber didn't even have a passport, so how did he get on unless someone wanted him to get on for a very specific purpose?
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Safety sounds like a good excuse. It may even save lives (it probably won't stop the really determined but there are plenty of amateurs out there who might think twice).
Its a personal decision at the end of the day.
.. i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... .
What's ur point ??? Why should men will see women's body like this even for 1 second ? In the name of security , what will they do next ? Not virtually , but practically they will force people to be naked in front of all.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
The whole point is that it is a violation a public ravishment really meant to force Muslims to do exactly what they don't want to do (expose themselves even if it be for two seconds). It doesn't matter who likes sex for hire, or who does a butt lift every two years or gets 750cc implants or what the Grecian section at the met shows. It is about the individual desire and it is against the will, because when one desires to travel one likes to keep their civil liberties and rights and if they are forcing you to do something you don't want to do or find some other mode of travel for some concocted reasons. Frankly I believe half of the crap they frame and pin on Muslims is done by them. on CNN this alleged bomber didn't even have a passport, so how did he get on unless someone wanted him to get on for a very specific purpose?
ok i will agree with the part about half the stuff they do. but i honestly dont believe its against muslims. before it was russia and it was china and it was vietnam and it was north korea... its all about someone having something "big brother wants" and the media feeds the people into hysteria...
but lets face it this really isnt any different, it has been pretty much the same for a long time those guards do whatever they want to anyway. people CHOOSE to fly people must conform to whatever dumb idea they have next. Im not nessarrily pro-blue screen people but i am pro-me making it to where i am going.
Imagine if you wanted to go to hajj or umrah, but before that you gotta go through some visual assault? Flying is a right too. Allah(swt) didnt make this land for people to restrict one another from exploring His land and creation....
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,
Let me just add one thing for our muslimahs - may Allaah assist you all as time and time again the kuffaar are trying to make you show your zeenah to the masses, to be like their women who show not an ounce of hayaa hence no need for them to even be scanned! May Allaah cover you with the modesty of hijaab and niqaab and make you among the precious preserved pearls of Allaah both in this life and in the hereafter. Ameen.
Now more than ever, we see that we Muslims need to make a stance to stand up against those crazed sexually perverted legislators that call upon stripping the honour of our awrah for the sake of some self inflicted security control issues they themselves could easily have plotted! May Allaah disperse their plans like Qaaroon and Abrahah, may the earth eat up their rotten bodies and rotten ideas ameen ya Rabb.
It is, like the social cohesion issue, like the ongoing onslaught against the hijaab, abaya and niqaab, a time for sisters to remain firm upon their deen and the sunnatil ummahaatul mu'mineen. We need to remain steadfast upon the beautiful advice given by Allaah, Lord of the worlds to both our brothers and our sisters. Remain in hijaab, remain in niqaab, remain guarded from leeches wanting to stare at the forbidden beauty Islam has protected. Remain respectable to Allaah and Allaah will preserve your honour.
And oh you Sisters that take this lightly, guard your chastity and pray that Allaah make you among the dwellers of Al-Firdaws, for Allaahs messenger sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam advised us that the woman who reveals her body shape shall not even smell the fragrance of Jannah though its fragrance reaches far distances. Remember the shar'i rulings as regarding your dress, your look, your actions and fear Allaah wheresoever you are. The woman who reveals a hair to one forbidden to see it, shall be hung from that string of hair, the one who shapes the eyebrows is cursed, the one who is dressed but naked is rebuked and only the righteous woman who fears Allaah and knows that it incurs the wrath of Allaah is on the correct Path!
I say as, our mother A'isha radhiallahu anha said. May Allaah bless the women, when Allaah revealed the aayah for covering they all came out looking like black crows. Ameen.
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