Muslims and Homosexuality - A Discussion

assalamu aliqum ! my dear brother " naidamar " ,

I am totally disagree with you that " Allah will not give you hell because you are gay ".

1).Allah strongly prohibited homosexuality ( no mater I am a GAY or BISEXUAL) . If I do homo sex .

2). Allah surely give me hell because I am gay , Hell is not only for GAYS but also for BISEXUALS . ( because I am deserve for it )

3). Allah can forgive me if I stop doing HOMO SEX and I regrade and ask forgive, and I promise that, I will not repeat it any more ( no mater I may GAY OR BISEXUAL ) . Allah surely forgive me because Allah is the most Merciful. Not only forgive but also help and show me the right path .

4). Once stop doing HOMO SEX then definitely no more call GAY or BISEXUAL .

5). X- Gay or BISEXUAL may get heaven not current gay or bisexual .

6). So don't make fool your self by telling that, I have enough time , lets enjoy homo sex for a while later will stop it .
Homo sex is more addictive then all drugs (toxin) which are available in this world.

7) I know you are not GAY neither BISEXUAL . So you are safe . Help us to become safe .

thank you .
from INDIA, Bangalore .

assala mu aliqum brother and sister .

any body can help me to understand the replied by " 3rddec " to me :-

that replied is:-
you were raped and abused thats the long and short of it; you should seek some professional help to deal with what can only be an unimaginable crime perpetrated on you. I don't care if you wandered of topic a little. Well done for the bravery to post your experience. If you had no knowledge of sexuality before that event it is no wonder you are confused. Get some help and pray to your God for help to put such a terrible thing behind you.

Major LOVE and RESPECT


I really didn't understand it . please any can help me ...

Can someone translate my last post above for hopeonallah as I am very keen he get the message; thank you

Love and respect

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7) I know you are not GAY neither BISEXUAL . So you are safe . Help us to become safe .

First, I am trying to help you, that's why I wrote the post.
If you read again my post with clearer mind and stop being so emotional then you would know what I really mean and that I do want to help you.

Second, who says I am safe? and for that matter who in the world can say that they are not going to hell? no one. (well maybe except for christians who claim they are all going to paradise because they believe in jesus as God. But there's no proof in their claim.)
no one is safe.
I might not be tested by Allah with sexuality problem, but if you know about everything that I have been through, you might not be so envious.

As a man with homosexual tendency, you might feel (at first) that this life is hell if you have to make yourself abstain from acting upon it.
Thankfully, Allah through Islam has provided us with cures and remedies for every ailments and illness (physical, emotional, or psychological) that afflict us.
But first you have to understand what this life is about, although I am not going to give you lecture about that as I'm sure you can read from books and from the internet about our life purpose and how fleeting life is (what, 70-80 years compared to eternity in afterlife?).

And once you have better understanding of the purpose of life, then you will have better perspectives about your own life and not merely totally swallowed by your feeling of helplessness and totally caught up by feeling that makes sexuality the centre of your life. Allah should become the centre of your life instead.

Now, practical steps that you need to make your burden go away or at least lessen:

1. Stop associating with other gay people. This may be hard for you at first because they might be the only friends you have or they are your closest friends, but this is very important step to make. You don't have to stop at once, but lessen your interaction with them step by step. Let's not kid ourselves and think that we are strong enough that other people do not affect us. From ahadeeth, from our life experiences, from history and from science we know that our perspectives, our opinions, our views of life are heavily influenced by people we surround ourselves with.
So that means you need to make new friends with good people with strong eeman who implement Islam in daily life. How? Search for Islamic courses in your area and enroll in those classes. Start to offer shalah fard and spend more time in mosque, whether in your neighborhood, your school or work place. Smile to people in there, introduce yourself and make friends with them. You can offer to help doing something for the mosque, no matter how small it is. That will lead you to make friends with them. I am not quite sure how old you are, but if you are still a youth, you may join some youth muslim organizations.
Slowly but surely your paradigm of life will shift.

2. Do not do anything that will only incite your homosexuality. This means, never ever go near any pornographic materials, gay or otherwise, Be firm and strong and do not surrender yourself to the whispering of shaytan.

3. prophet Muhammad SAW prescribed fastings for those who are ready but cannot marry yet. So start doing sunnah fastings. If you are able to, you can do sunnah prophet Daud (pbuh) which is fasting every other day (one day fasting - one day break - and goes on), or you can start with the monday-thursday fastings. There are sooo many barokah, blessings, and hikmah in fastings. First, fasting is the only ibada for Allah (there's a hadith Qudsi about this I think). Second, fasting is proven very beneficial in helping controlling libido and reset physical, emotional and psychological health. So do this, and do not delay.

4. Start implementing sunnah in your daily life. The more you implement sunnah, the more you will feel easier to manage your homosexuality.

5. Always pray to Allah for guidance, ask for forgiveness (the du'a from prophets Adam or yunus (pbut) who asked for forgiveness is very powerful - Laa Ilaaha illa anta, Subhanaka innee kuntu minadzholimin - "There is no God that I worship but you, You are the Most High, so forgive me for I have wronged myself). Increase your sunnah prayers such as tahajud and dhuha, and be positive btu still patient that Allah accepts your du'a.

5. If one day you slip and peform homosexual act or even watching porn for example, do not despair and do not surrender and think that Allah make you that way. You must repent to Allah SWT as soon as you do that, ask Allah for forgiveness with every sincerity and promise yourself to never do it again. Remember, always repent. Allah SWT will forgive our sins no matter if it fills earth and sky as long as we are sincere in our repentance. Do not despair from the hope on Allah.

One last thing, even if you still think that this life is hell for you, it is nothing compared to the eternity of real hell.
So you still have a choice:
endure this "hell" with sabr (patience) and shalah and take the rewards of eternal jannah (paradise), or surrender to your desires and lust for 60-70 year face the consequence of eternal naar (hell)
.

Assala mu alaiqum ! brother and sister

I would like to ask you that, What exactly homosexuality and whats its behavior ?

1). Is Sodomy a Sin in Islam ?

2). Is it a addiction like alcohol or other addiction ?

3) Is it a behavior ?

4) Is it a practice ?

5) Is it a habit ?

6). Is It some thing else beyond of above mentioned ?

7). What is it according to science and Islam ?

8). Are Homosexual people some thing different then Heterosexual people ( physically , psychologically , hormonally , chemical differences , blood ; flash ; bone , any kind or type of element or elementary ) ?

Please enlightening me ....

thanks ....

format_quote Originally Posted by S.Belle

Why? (12 characters)

Id like to know why as well.. I think this thread is important, and there's no need to close it if one or two people go off topic... Let's try to focus on the points brought up on the first page though.

I'm not going to say I "am" a homosexual...I'm going to say that I have homosexual tendencies. Since becoming a Muslim, I have had to learn how to avoid those "desires". I think I will always have them but InshAllah I will be able to overcome them.

That was off topic, I apologize.

The way alot of Muslims talk about homosexuals is really offensive sometimes. We, as Muslims, understand where the passion in our words comes from. It comes from a desire for everybody to experience the joy that we have in following the laws of Islam. We don't want to see anybody "left behind" so to speak (that's where I'm coming from anyway). But to the western world, it comes off as closed minded and hateful...and also overbearing. I think we could definitely work on conveying our thoughts in a more sincere and caring way.

Also something that we also have to remember, not everybody WANTS to hear our opinions. Most non-Muslims are very happy with their life and won't give a rats tush what we have to say.

Assala mu alaiqum ! " Sweet106 "

Thank you for your response to me .

As you said :
" I don’t understand why you are asking these questions when these questions have been answered in this thread and in your thread in advice and support section:
http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-s...n-help-me.html (For Allah sake any body can help me)

Please enlightening me... "

My reply to you that , I got more statements rather the evidences along with statements from the members .

I heard a lot in my life that, Homosexuality is a absolutely Normal . My brain got wash by this statements . I want to rewash my brain by truth . So that I need to know and clarify each and every thing about homosexuality which is not a normal .

I live in India . India is a free country ( lawful or unlawful by Islam ). I can live my life any ways , no body can stop me to live a gay life here , even I am trying to overcome from homosexuality . I hope you can understand my inner feelings .

AS per my knowledge , most of the people are not bother about sexual act whether is lawful or not . I never heard in any mosque or from any Muslim people that homosexuality is a Sin in my life in India . I got this information from some gay people that, they told me homosexuality is a Sin according to Islam ( by getting angry ) . After that I asked to few Muslims and I got to know it . Infect people think doing active role with a same sex is not a looser, Doing passive role with a same sex is a looser only in India, Pakistan, Bangladeshi and Middle east countries . You believe me or not but its true that; I feel hard to believe that, there are any man who is not having homo sex . Mentioned countries people are doing ' seeing that see not hearing that hear not role' . But in the western countries are bit different . In the western countries you can specify who is involve in homo sex and who is not involve in homo sex . Because they declare what they are and what they are not but eastern and Middle east countries every body doing every thing only differences is hidden and open form, specification and no specification .
My dear friend , I had homo sex with more then 800 guys, and more then 600 was Muslims only because I like non smelly hygienic people so I preferred Muslim most . their age was 22 to 40 years; very few are there more then 40 years . More then 70% are married only . This data is after 20years age to till now of my age . For your kind information that, I do active role in bed , so now you can imagine how many people can involve in homo sex; where people feel gainer if they do active role in bed ?

I don't understand , why people want to hide it and make to continue ? Why people don't want to talk and inform to people that its a wrong and we have to save our self from it . No mater you do active role or passive role .

Assala mu alaiqum " woodrow "

Your answer is nice but it could be more valuable if you attached any prove with it . thanks .

Asalamu Alaykum Wa rahmutallahi wa barakatu

The reasoning behind the so-called hatred shown to these individuals is because of Allah and His Messenger Muhamad (SA) have both cursed these individuals to the day of Judgement..

1. Sexual intercourse at the Anus is amongst the worst sins (even with one's wife)
2. The magnitude of this sin is multiplied tremendously if shared with the same sex (i.e. Man-man)
3. Men behaving like women are accursed
4. Men who dress like women are accursed

Nowhere in Islamic shariah does it state that these people cannot be saved, lest they do not accept Islamic Monethism and rid of their sinful, lustful mannerisms.

No scientific evidence produced by people of understanding to accept that there is naturally within certain individuals to desire relations with the same sex. So-called evidence supporting Homosexuality have been deemed false, and are usually conducted with the following agenda(s): They, themselves are Homosexual; they share relations (not specifically sexual) with the same sex who are homosexual; they seek to profit from it.

I now ask you to produce to me, and the rest of humanity, evidence that Homosexuality occurs in the Natural World, and that it occurs due to the animal having desire to be with the same sex. There is no such Evidence.

Look at the story of the Sodomites for example. Even to the Homosexuals Allah has shown mercy and given them a Prophet, Prophet Lut (AS) to guide them to Truth.

And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, “Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.”
[Qur'an, Al-A'raf 7:80-81, Saheeh International translation]

And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, “Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.”
[Qur'an, Al-A'raf 7:80-81, Saheeh International translation]


Peace..

format_quote Originally Posted by Ubeyde

Asalamu Alaykum Wa rahmutallahi wa barakatu

Bro, it is best to speak with knowledge, because otherwise your argument can only backfire, and your argument would appear as if you support homosexuality.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ubeyde

I now ask you to produce to me, and the rest of humanity, evidence that Homosexuality occurs in the Natural World, and that it occurs due to the animal having desire to be with the same sex. There is no such Evidence.

There are fundamental flaws in your stance above.

First, there are PLENTY of homosexual acts occurring in the natural world. If you watch discovery, natgeo, natgeo wild, etc, you would surely know. Or if you lived in a farm or see animals on daily basis. The bonobo chimps have been proven and documented to have sex for pleasures only, and they do it with EVERYONE in their own kind, between the males, between the females, incestuous, with babies, etc. These things happen in the natural world.

Second, you cannot use the fact that something which does not occur in the natural world as the basis for prohibition against it. Otherwise you would have to allow stealing, because animals steal. You would have to allow murder, because some animals murder without reason and not for food, etc. Animals have only nafsu without aql (desires without reason/intelligence) while humans are special creation who are blessed with both capacities. If humans only follow their nafs, they are no different than animals, actually they are worse than animals.
In short, sunatulah (the Law of Allah) and the fitrah (natural state) for human are different than those for animals, so we cannot take what happens/not happen in natural world as examples/law for humans.