I know women CAN’T be leader of a country, soldiers and judges. I know the most important role is being a mother and wife.
I want to know whether CAN be something other than the OBVIOUS (medicine, teacher etc).
I am asking this because I come across another respected scholar cursing women that speak in lectures, give talks etc. He was answering a question from a fellow Muslim who asked him what he thoughts were about women that “acted” like men by giving lectures.
To be honest, I rolled my eyes at the question and the answer.
And also I have come across members in this group saying women HAVE to do jobs that are the obvious jobs otherwise she is committing a sin and leaving her home unnecessary! So those of you (sisters) that have their own business, scientists, cleaners, receptionists, mathematicians etc are committing a sin! You can’t even give a lecture either (btw you dont have to raise you voice or use soft voice to give a talk)?
Now I obviously think that it is wrong! Now why am I seeing more and more people that have this mentality? Don’t they look at the bigger picture and see the consequences? Most women that work in hospital and have business in Saudi and most Middle East countries are NON Muslims!
I am beginning to feel like a militant feminist lol
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yea, dont touch my nerves, I bite quite hard with ensuing permanent damage.
Your scary.
if you had noticed my question mark? ah the irony that my enemy "likes" your comment against me.
I like using the like function too.
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
...and the men? get humble already. Arguing with a woman does not make you more of a man.
Thread question answered. Close thread... it's getting ugly.
Scimi
No need to close this thread. What is wrong with arguing with a woman? Is that not what you have been doing in this topic?
What does it mean to be a man? I can answer that one, but I think I will get banned for saying so. O_o
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
The role of every man is to be husband and a father...
just as it is for ever woman to be a mother and a wife. Man should go out and ear the bread, and woman should raise the family - it's called a partnership.
Not everyone can get married.
I don 't understand why women want to work? I mean, why?
It's a mans world - do you really want to be the subject of male scrutiny in a male dominated environment? Or is that women like to complain and there's nothing better to complain about than your boss' advancements towards you, or your fellow male colleagues talking you down? I don't get it. No wait - it's deadly simple - gossip. That must be it...
I'm pleased I have found a woman - a real woman, one who knows her role in Islam. And would love to fulfil it. She wants nothing more than to stay at home and raise children.
It is hard to refute rhetoric and bring some reality to this discussion.
I suppose women want to work because to earn money/do something that they enjoy/not get bored/help others. We need women in the workforce to provide services to other women and even men in some cases.
What do you mean this is a man's world? Allah owns this world.
What do you mean a real women? A women is a living being with different organs to a man. Simple as that.
Overall, what your advocating is impracticable. Not everyone is going to get married, have 35 children, hold hands, skip on the yellow brick road to La La Land and befriend a scarecrow, a tin man and a lion, which happens to talk, on the way.
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Urgh you still don't get it and post links that has been posted in this over and over again. That statement still goes married, I am talking about ALL women.
I dont want type she has to be wifey and mother post!
I give up! Btw I don't have to be married, been there and done it!
Best regard,
Getting married is like so 12 centuries ago. :P: Kidding.
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Look missy,
This reminds when Hugo Chavez said to Condoleeza Rice, "little girl"...
get married again...
Easier to be said than done. It's her choice. None of your business.
Where? you on drugs or something?
That's rude.
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
akhi,
you speak of some idyllic utopia which unfortunately has little to do with the real world..
I agree.
Most Muslim women I know have to work for the following reason and let me list those I know
1- her husband is disabled and she has seven kids unfortunately no degree beyond high school so she has to do menial work so for starters I stress education by the way they're both converts masha'Allah
2- one Pakistani lady her husband left her and with years of abuse doesn't even pay alimony to her kids, she worked as a pharmacist tech for pennies, put three of them through college masha'Allah
3- One polish convert her husband left her after obtaining his residency status for a Muslim woman from his own country, surprisingly wal7mdlillah she remained steadfast on Islam despite the obvious mal intent
4- widows my aunt was one
5- those who have never married, I have a cousin whose both parents died and her brother lives abroad and her younger sister is with three kids and lives away..
6- one whose father died, she actually is well educated but took a crappy job to pay the bills because her husband who could never hold down a job, came to the U.S on some 'green card' lottery was cheating on her while she was seven month pregnant and often time kicking her in the stomach so she'd abort and he'd not have to support some kids
7- many who are simply joining in the paycheck and I grew up in that kind of a household where both parents had to work to make ends meet.. so I find it somewhat unfortunate to create the scenario you've created above.. it is somewhat insulting.. [/QUOTE]
Very interesting.
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
You know for once I'd really like to see you take from my threads and posts what I'm actually trying to say as opposed to making assumptions and throwing accusations without even reading what I'm saying! Speaking in context would be a great way to start off in the right direction when replying.
You should make your posts clearer, if you feel your misunderstood. Members misunderstood my posts too, so I try to communicate my posts clearly, without using flowery language and complex vocabulary/phrases like indoctrination, conveyancing and fee simple absolute in possession. Not that I'm saying your posts are not clear, but something for you to ponder.
format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
wsalam
i am sorry to say but sister this is a strawman. no one is restriction religious education for women. and no one is asking them to beg if their husband becomes disabled. rather islamic ruler should be providing to them certain benefits. it does not mean that to avoid begging they start doing haram i.e. working along with men. Certainly they can do many other jobs where they dont have to interfere with men? Work in all women centers? Work from home, make stuff and sell it?
It sounds impracticable, especially in the business, legal and finance world. As long as everyone is covered up and mix when it is necessary, then it's fine. Some form of eduction can only be acquired at work. For example, learning about legal issues and practicing law are so different. The theory is absolute nonsense and it is by working you truly learn.
Besides, not everyone wants to rely on others. Some want to be independent. I hated jobseekers allowance and left. I rather be homeless.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
I think this discussion goes way too far when people are using harsch words at each other. It is possible to discuss in a good manner and still disagree.
I think this discussion goes way too far when people are using harsch words at each other. It is possible to discuss in a good manner and still disagree with each other.
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
I am sure my medical reports will demonstrate why it ended. So keep you ugly mouth shut. thank you
lol facepalm worthy... make a habit why don't you.
maybe she wants to know about human body? what a judgmental piece of crap you are?
and who said sr zaria cant take care of female patients?!
lol sure, she studying in a mixed environment and I seriously doubt people can choose what gender they want to work in. She is the one that is judgemental! Funny how she is doing profession that she consider to be okay *roll eyes*
and who are you to talk? being a racist and all..
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
who made this "world?" is it obligatory upon us to play by the rules kaafirs have devised for world economy?
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I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
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I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
Help me to escape from this existence
I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
I was concerned about my role as a woman in Islam before my Shahada. I read all I could find on this subject. I was married for a long time as a christian. I also was married for a very short time as a Muslima. My rights in Islam protected me from a bad situation. I had no protection in the christian world. People who professed to be good christians offered me no help. The Masjid I where I lived when I was married gave me the help and support I needed. Real truth
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