I know women CAN’T be leader of a country, soldiers and judges. I know the most important role is being a mother and wife.
I want to know whether CAN be something other than the OBVIOUS (medicine, teacher etc).
I am asking this because I come across another respected scholar cursing women that speak in lectures, give talks etc. He was answering a question from a fellow Muslim who asked him what he thoughts were about women that “acted” like men by giving lectures.
To be honest, I rolled my eyes at the question and the answer.
And also I have come across members in this group saying women HAVE to do jobs that are the obvious jobs otherwise she is committing a sin and leaving her home unnecessary! So those of you (sisters) that have their own business, scientists, cleaners, receptionists, mathematicians etc are committing a sin! You can’t even give a lecture either (btw you dont have to raise you voice or use soft voice to give a talk)?
Now I obviously think that it is wrong! Now why am I seeing more and more people that have this mentality? Don’t they look at the bigger picture and see the consequences? Most women that work in hospital and have business in Saudi and most Middle East countries are NON Muslims!
I am beginning to feel like a militant feminist lol
i am sorry to say but sister this is a strawman. no one is restriction religious education for women. and no one is asking them to beg if their husband becomes disabled. rather islamic ruler should be providing to them certain benefits. it does not mean that to avoid begging they start doing haram i.e. working along with men. Certainly they can do many other jobs where they dont have to interfere with men? Work in all women centers? Work from home, make stuff and sell it?
yeah ok.. you tell that to the folks in Iraq Iraqi women: Prostituting ourselves to feed our children
Hopefully an 'Islamic leader' can rise to the occasion and not take them into mass graves as a solution!
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
@ Sister Bluebell,
I have only quoted from respected scholars - both in this topic, as well as on the issue of photography (i.e. these are not my own opinions).
I am sorry if you do not agree with these.
Perhaps, read them again, and ask yourself why?
This is a question, that only my brothers and sisters can answer for themselves.
(With regards to the referred video - please be advised that no animations are present.
Also, please refer to the rulings on Islamic videos - this may be of benefit in understanding this matter in greater detail, insha Allah.)
Wa-alaikumsalam
ukhty,
Scholars make mistakes, they make haram things that neither prophet nor the rightly guided khalifs did nor recommended.
We had women starting their own business and I have given the example of hind, and out on the battle field along with khalid ibn ilwaleed like khwala bint al'azwar seeking to free her brother dirarrar, the prophet used to take his wife to learn to read and write, Saida Aisha gave alot of narrations of hadith and taught grown men. Early Islamic society wasn't a segregated one, and a woman that can be easily referred to as a slave woman challenged Umar ibn ilkkhtab in a mosque that didn't have a woman section and man section through a one eyed veil.
People who work in the work mill don't have time to look each other up and down least of which in this crappy country where the bottom line is money and hurls of insults.. One often has to make all sorts of du3a in the morning just to get through the day..
I have looked at what you presented and it is often written with such absolution then subsequent posts make allowances after we discuss the down right impossibility of sticking with what is presented .. Adeen yousr fla to3asiroo..
I don’t show and will show respect to members that actively advocate looking down upon those that DON’T take one the typical role. When they are trying to make something that is halal into haram and trying to make out that these women worse things on earth.
So I will ask this question once again, when didn’t scholars of the past PUNISH women that did jobs outside of medicine and teaching?
best regards,
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
Hopefully an 'Islamic leader' can rise to the occasion and not take them into mass graves as a solution!
ukhty,
Scholars make mistakes, they make haram things that neither prophet nor the rightly guided khalifs did nor recommended.
We had women starting their own business and I have given the example of hind, and out on the battle field along with khalid ibn ilwaleed like khwala bint al'azwar seeking to free her brother dirarrar, the prophet used to take his wife to learn to read and write, Saida Aisha gave alot of narrations of hadith and taught grown men. Early Islamic society wasn't a segregated one, and a woman that can be easily referred to as a slave woman challenged Umar ibn ilkkhtab in a mosque that didn't have a woman section and man section through a one eyed veil.
People who work in the work mill don't have time to look each other up and down least of which in this crappy country where the bottom line is money and hurls of insults.. One often has to make all sorts of du3a in the morning just to get through the day..
I have looked at what you presented and it is often written with such absolution then subsequent posts make allowances after we discuss the down right impossibility of sticking with what is presented .. Adeen yousr fla to3asiroo..
w salam,
as sad as it is, they willfully decided to resort to prostitution right? at the very least their other option was to die from hunger. is not that more worthy than prostituting it out? what if they die now from syphillis? so why not rather die with dignity?
again, i feel their pain, and i wish they didnt have to resort to that, but they had other options to pursue. where there is a will there is a way.
salam.
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who made this "world?" is it obligatory upon us to play by the rules kaafirs have devised for world economy?
Salaam,
Well we have no choice. The world operates on credit. I'm not sure how we supposed to solve this issue. To give an example, some women are experts on particular areas like childcare.
Whilst working at a law firm, I had to speak to a women, an expert on child psychology, about cross examining children in court. There was no man available in my city who could have given such in-depth advice. She was available and had the expertise. So we had to ask her to assist our firm in resolving a domestic violence case.
Sometimes, people mix and as long as we lower our gaze, we'll be fine.
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I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
as sad as it is, they willfully decided to resort to prostitution right? at the very least their other option was to die from hunger. is not that more worthy than prostituting it out?
again, i feel their pain, and i wish they didnt have to resort to that, but they had other options to pursue. where there is a will there is a way.
salam.
I welcome you to offer them a solution because so far the only ones who are 'helping' them financially are the ones who killed their husbands and invaded their country. Where is the ummah? Oh I forget, they wear extravagant abayas and invite Tom cruze to Burj khalifah for millions...
I have no time for game, I am sorry. I hope I see the better side of you next time.
not to a "sister" who comes here and tells us that our orthodox version of Islam is chauvinistic, and that scholars have had it wrong for the last 1300 years, and she is here to teach us Islam now ....
and frankly, what you think of me is the least of my concerns, dear brother.
Help me to escape from this existence
I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
I welcome you to offer them a solution because so far the only ones who are 'helping' them financially are the ones who killed their husbands and invaded their country. Where is the ummah? Oh I forget, they wear extravagant abayas and invite Tom cruze to Burj khalifah for millions...
yup, I concur.
really.
salam
Help me to escape from this existence
I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
not to a "sister" who comes here and tells us that our orthodox version of Islam is chauvinistic, and that scholars have had it wrong for the last 1300 years, and she is here to teach us Islam now ....
and frankly, what you think of me is the least of my concerns, dear brother.
salam.
How comes there isn’t any record of scholars punishing women that worked outside the health and Social care sector and teaching?
plus you are the one to talk! Considering your views on interracial marriage for so called future daughter and nationalism (which you display often) and again sucking on jackstraw to against the EVERY scholars you speak of. funny man
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
How comes there isn’t any record of scholars punishing women that worked outside the health and Social care sector and teaching?
plus you are the one to talk! Considering your views on interracial marriage for so called future daughter and nationalism (which you display often) and again sucking on jackstraw to against the EVERY scholars you speak of. funny man
my "nationalism" is as strong as Prophet's for his tribe and lineage. Prophet pbuh gave his daughter Fatima Ali (ra), a pious man from same tribe. I am sure there were hundreds of ppl willing to marry Prophet's daughter yet he chose someone pious from his tribe, whom he knew well, who was one of the first youngsters to accept Islam. I am saying I'd do precisely the same. No need to seek out pious males outside when you have in your family.
Help me to escape from this existence
I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
la 7wala wla qiwta illa billah.. Enough of this already..ENOUGH! Prophet Muhammad .W said, "If one of you becomes angry while standing he should sit down. If the anger leaves him, well and good; otherwise he should lie down" (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 5114)
The girl has no knowledge of these things and has quoted ayahs out of context bro CosmicPathos, she also uses derogatory language frequently and is clearly on the back foot.
Is there any records of him rejecting pious men from other tribes NOT your assumptions ? Till then dont use him to justify your racist views and nationalist attitude. okay?
The girl has no knowledge of these things and has quoted ayahs out of context bro CosmicPathos, she also uses derogatory language frequently and is clearly on the back foot.
Don't give her the time bro, let her stew.
Scimi
subhanallah, you dont know his record! lol @ you support his racist attitude!
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The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
la 7wala wla qiwta illa billah.. Enough of this already..ENOUGH! Prophet Muhammad .W said, "If one of you becomes angry while standing he should sit down. If the anger leaves him, well and good; otherwise he should lie down" (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 5114)
but I guess 15 visitors is good for rating?
I was hoping this thread was closed by now tbh.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
Is there any records of him rejecting pious men from other tribes NOT your assumptions ? Till then dont use him to justify your racist views and nationalist attitude. okay?
Good day
Salaam,
Nationalism, tribalism and regionalism are based on one thing. Being proud of where you come from. This is silly since no one can control where we come from.
Besides, I see brother Hamza. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH RUN FOR YOUR LIFE, HE IS GONNA DELETE US! *runs and hides*
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Is there any records of him rejecting pious men from other tribes NOT your assumptions ? Till then dont use him to justify your racist views and nationalist attitude. okay?
that doesnt matter. the fact he chose Ali (ra), someone from his tribe, over others says a lot.
this was my last msg to you.
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I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
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ukhty,
really. 
.W said, "If one of you becomes angry while standing he should sit down. If the anger leaves him, well and good; otherwise he should lie down" (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 5114)
? Till then dont use him to justify your racist views and nationalist attitude. okay?
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