Being gay and Islam

format_quote Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess

The rest of that message is just the sheikh's opinion, of which sheikhs disagree or certain things. Like the nose piercing thing.

I would say that it´s more as the interpretation than just an opinion but anyways, with a little search we could find some absolutely opposite interpretations from other sheikhs. Internet is a place which gives everything to everyone - and it´s not only a good thing.

Possibility of homosexuality among animals


Question

I recall someone interpreting verses in the Qur'an (7:80-81) as indicating that animals cannot exhibit homosexual behavior. Is this a correct interpretation?


Answered by

Sheikh Yûsuf al-Badrî


The verses in question are:

“And (We sent) Lot when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in all the worlds has not done before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women. You are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.” [Sûrah al-A`râf: 80-81]

Perhaps, the commentator of this verse, wanting to show the seriousness of this sin, interpreted this verse to mean that even animals would not commit such a thing. This may have been his way of trying to convince his audience how reprehensible such an act is.

However, to use these verses as evidence that homosexual behavior is never exhibited by animals is stretching the meaning of these verses a bit too far.

We must keep in mind that Allah does not hold anyone legally accountable for their doings except human beings and the Jinn.

The word in the verse translated as “all the worlds” is the word (`âlamîn). This word is used in this context in reference to humanity and the Jinn (also referred to as al-thaqalayn). Animals are not understood from this word when used in this context.

And Allah knows best.


Source: http://en.islamtoday.net/quesshow-166-666.htm

A warning: don't support sodomy, you'll be drawn and get the sin, too.

However, having gay feeling is contrary to the fitrah, in violation with fitrah. It goes against logic, and basic intelligence.

format_quote Originally Posted by bound

wa'salaam,

Where do we find this in Al Quran? Thanks.

Read again post number 39.

People are not born gay. It would be divine injustice to create someone that way and then punish him for it on the Day of Judgement. For those Muslims who are saying this, they became convinced of what the disbelievers say about it so it would be accepted as normal but it isn't and will never be. People need to be careful and make sure what they talk about is in the boundaries of Islam and not their secular environment.

format_quote Originally Posted by Misbah0411

People are not born gay. It would be divine injustice to create someone that way and then punish him for it on the Day of Judgement. For those Muslims who are saying this, they became convinced of what the disbelievers say about it so it would be accepted as normal but it isn't and will never be. People need to be careful and make sure what they talk about is in the boundaries of Islam and not their secular environment.

Finally someone who spoke some sense.

It isn't with the fitrah to be gay, and since Allah SWT created us ALL under the fitrah, none was born gay.

Islam calls to the pure fitrah. And it condemns sodomy heavily, therefore sodomy could never be with the fitrah, and as such none was born with it(homosexuality).

It is a disease. Take into consideration this:

Allah SWT created EVERYONE with the fitrah.
Islam calls to that pure fitrah.
Islam condemns sodomy,
Therefore sodomy could never be part of the fitrah
and therefore none could be born with it.

And not to mention, sodomy is very filthy, and it goes against all logic and common sense. It is faaaaar from the fitrah.

format_quote Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess

Like I said, tell me where in the Quran it specifically mentions that no man or woman can be born gay.

Allah creates men and women with all kinds of disabilities, both mental and physical. Why can't homosexuality be one of those mental disabilities?

P.S So animals that have same sex intercourse are also inspired by shaytan? Don't be ridiculous.

Homosexuality is not a mental disability, at least not according to Islam. If it was, then there would be no punishment for gay sex.

format_quote Originally Posted by Misbah0411

People are not born gay. It would be divine injustice to create someone that way and then punish him for it on the Day of Judgement. For those Muslims who are saying this, they became convinced of what the disbelievers say about it so it would be accepted as normal but it isn't and will never be. People need to be careful and make sure what they talk about is in the boundaries of Islam and not their secular environment.

I agree that this is logical way to think.

I don´t know do people born as gay or not but here is now this problem: are people punished at the Judgement Day because they are some kind of (like gays) or because they have had homosexual feelings or only because they have had homosexual acts? If you have proof and information for this, please share it with us.

I don´t try to be "normal" in the eyes of non-Muslims, I am just interesting to know what Islam really says as being gay (without doing any gay-like acts during the life). Can you show clear evidences that people are really punished because they only have had homosexual feelings but not acts? I again underline that people should tell where they have got their information - just same if they claim that people born as gay or not.

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

I agree that this is logical way to think.

I don´t know do people born as gay or not but here is now this problem: are people punished at the Judgement Day because they are some kind of (like gays) or because they have had homosexual feelings or only because they have had homosexual acts? If you have proof and information for this, please share it with us.

I don´t try to be "normal" in the eyes of non-Muslims, I am just interesting to know what Islam really says as being gay (without doing any gay-like acts during the life). Can you show clear evidences that people are really punished because they only have had homosexual feelings but not acts? I again underline that people should tell where they have got their information - just same if they claim that people born as gay or not.

Your intentions do not count, unless you act on these intentions.

Narrated Al-Ahnaf bin Qais:

While I was going to help this man ('Ali Ibn Abi Talib), Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I am going to help that person." He said, "Go back for I have heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'When two Muslims fight (meet) each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the Hell-fire.' I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! It is all right for the murderer but what about the murdered one?' Allah's Apostle replied, "He surely had the intention to kill his companion."
Bukhari, 2,30

The intention is there, but if you do not act on it then nothing will happen. Sometimes we cannot control the way our mind works, our intentions, but that's why we are different than animals, we have the ability, the rationality to decide whether or not we act on things and when we know of the consequences.

This is different of course with good intentions, such as you perhaps wanted to help someone and then you were not able to because something else happened. You had the intention to help, but there were other circumstances that prevented this.

What an accusation to say someone is born gay.. you are saying that Allah SWT created him gay, which He SWT did not, and not only that, you are saying that ALLAH SWT made SOMEONE gay, to WHICH Allah SWT HIMSELF condemns and says is EVIL. And

So you are saying Allah SWT put an evil thing from the start? What an evil thing to say!
So are you saying that Allah SWT created someone gay, while Allah SWT Himself made it impermissible?

As a brother said, it'd be divine injustice from Allah SWT to create someone gay. And Allah SWT is all-just. Never is Allah SWT unjust.

There is no need to get angry. Apparently, this thing can be understood in two different ways.

This topic ended when MuslimInshAllah provided the information and the brother was happy with it..he even said he understands that as long as one doesn't act upon their "gay" feelings they won't be punished for having those thoughts or feelings..if the brother wanted to ask anything else he would've but he didn't so don't know why some people are getting angry and dragging this to next level.

format_quote Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess

It's not haram to be gay but it is haram to act on it.

Are you kidding me? So you're saying it's okay to drink as long as you don't get drunk?

Being gay and acting upon it are the same!