Notice how the truth triumphs over falsehood and lies, follow the discussion taking place and how the Sikhs make accusations and then back off when they are asked to think and provide evidences. And near the end one Sikh agrees with certain rational and historical points.
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
Sikhi is achieving perfection, such a perfection that you stay as perfect as God created you and don't even trim a single hair...
wow... does that mean you have poor grooming habits and bad hygiene? :eek:
if you end up with folliculitis, Skin Abscesses, and Carbuncles, you'd let the hair fester there instead of remving it, because that is G-D created perfection? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Good luck there
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Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
wow... does that mean you have poor grooming habits and bad hygiene? :eek:
if you end up with folliculitis, Skin Abscesses, and Carbuncles, you'd let the hair fester there instead of remving it, because that is G-D created perfection? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Good luck there
Shame on you for saying that this means you have poor grooming habits. staying the way God created you doesn't mean one has poor grooming habits. True Sikhs groom themselves very well...
If you don't even understand God's Hukam, you can't even say you believe in God....
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
Please keep in mind that I am not impressed by Islam at all.
Kind of wasting your time on this here forum then, chuck.
Sikhi is achieving perfection, such a perfection that you stay as perfect as God created you and don't even trim a single hair...
I could debate about sikhism vs Islam until hell freezes over but the fact is: you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe; you will never believe what I believe and I will never believe what you believe. So let's leave it at that.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab
you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe; you will never believe what I believe and I will never believe what you believe. So let's leave it at that.
too sane!
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question authority
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
Well having folliculities and not removing it would be considered poor hygiene and poor grooming indeed.
It does if he mandates certain religious ablutions of you, and you fail to perform them
My friend is a sikh, I don't know how true she is by your standards, since she gets haircuts and grooms her nails
that is a Non sequitur logic
what does that mean? in fact hair is dead if that is what you mean by deceased?
Do you understand this something so simple? A true Sikh keeps the hair, cleans it and keep it groom all the time. So keeping uncut hair has nothing to do with poor grooming and hygiene.
Keeping uncut hair is not a disease. Yes if there was a disease, then you do whatever to cure the disease. I have not seen any Sikh having any such diseases. It could be because because they keep their hair clean.
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
Do you understand this something so simple? .
I am afraid your above sentence doesn't make any sense!
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
A true Sikh keeps the hair, cleans it and keep it groom all the time. So keeping uncut hair has nothing to do with poor grooming and hygiene..
sure it can be potential ground for disease... why not? Staphylococcus aureus for instance is a strain of bacteria that lives naturally on the skin, and can in some cases over grow and cause folliculities and other DZ.
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
Keeping uncut hair is not a disease. Yes if there was a disease, then you do whatever to cure the disease. .
so you can cut it and not be as clean and pure as G-D intended?
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
I have not seen any Sikh having any such diseases. It could be because because they keep their hair clean.
I have seen many a Sikhs with all kinds of disease, they are not super human... They are bound by the human condition like the rest of humanity
as much as I'd like to amuse myself messing with your head, I really don't have that much time to dedicate to this level of silliness
peace..
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Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
sure it can be potential ground for disease... why not? Staphylococcus aureus for instance is a strain of bacteria that lives naturally on the skin, and can in some cases over grow and cause folliculities and other DZ.
So you didn't understand when I said that if you have a disease you do whatever it takes to cure the disease?
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
so you can cut it and not be as clean and pure as G-D intended?
What's this supposed to mean? If you keep your hair the way God created it, you are living within God's will as someone who has truly submitted to God. If you cut your hair, you are already refusing to live the way God created you. You can cut your hair and still be filthy person and keep your hair uncut and still be clean as long as you are not lazy.
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
I have seen many a Sikhs with all kinds of disease, they are not super human... They are bound by the human condition like the rest of humanity
Well I have not. But if there is a disease, you do whatever to cure the disease. Is that really difficult for you to understand?
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
as much as I'd like to amuse myself messing with your head, I really don't have that much time to dedicate to this level of silliness
peace..
Then I don't understand why you start something so stupid...
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
By the way, if you cut your hair, that means you do not accept the way God created you, thus have not fully submitted yourself to God.
Since Islam means submission to God according to some of the people here, if you cut your hair, you are not Islamic at all...
This is wrong as Islam is not any submission. Rather Islam is a specific type of the particular submission to God in the way that He has ordered. This has two fields:
1) Submission in compliance with the command of God in content.
2) Submission in compliance with the command of God in manner of fulfilling the requirements of this content.
So following mere desires and whims is not submission at all. It is lust. Even the Siks have their commanded ways that they have to follow. So whether one is Islamic (as you put it) or not, is not based on your understanding of the affairs but upon Islamic proofs. You should rather say: "Islam means submission to God in accordance with His commands therefore if you cut your hear then you are not a Sikh. This we agree with.
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
Hello Cali dude,
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
By the way, if you cut your hair, that means you do not accept the way God created you, thus have not fully submitted yourself to God.
Don't cut your nails.
Since Islam means submission to God according to some of the people here, if you cut your hair, you are not Islamic at all...
Classic case of petitio principii. You are assuming that submission to God completely is by leaving your hair grown, i.e. staying the way God created you, but where is the proof?! You are basing your whole arguement on the that premise, but what you fail to realize here, and in all your debates, is that you have not brought any decisive proof to prove your assumption, which can then atleast give your conclusion some standing. But since the premise of your arguement contains such a clear flaw, you're conclusion is just as erroneous.
“Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun
"It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by Al Madani
Hello Cali dude,
Don't cut your nails.
Yes you cut the part of the nail that's dead - does not grow any more. Hair is dead only when it falls off.
format_quote Originally Posted by Al Madani
Classic case of petitio principii. You are assuming that submission to God completely is by leaving your hair grown, i.e. staying the way God created you, but where is the proof?! You are basing your whole arguement on the that premise, but what you fail to realize here, and in all your debates, is that you have not brought any decisive proof to prove your assumption, which can then atleast give your conclusion some standing. But since the premise of your arguement contains such a clear flaw, you're conclusion is just as erroneous.
What kind of proof do you need? What kind of proof do you provide of your beliefs other than that prophet said so?
Re: Lone Muslim debates with 7000+ Sikhs on their forum
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
Yes you cut the part of the nail that's dead - does not grow any more. Hair is dead only when it falls off.
Actually the nail, like your hair is dead and is being removed from your body as a waste. If you really want to 'submit to God' then grow your nails too, or else I see double standards and a clear flaw in your beliefs.
What kind of proof do you need? What kind of proof do you provide of your beliefs other than that prophet said so?
Those that revert to Islam don't do so on that basis. The truth of Islam is self evident.
“Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun
"It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl
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