I just saw this videoclip from CBC News in Canada on youtube of some guy basically blaming Muslim community in Canada for terrorism! Looks like people will do anything to get on tv these days. Astaghfirullah, May Allah keep us safe from such fitnah.
Maverick,
I think I made my feelings quite clear about "Spoon feed", and they remain.
If you are unable to see the insult in that, you need to reread.
You sound like a very angry person with all your raging.
You know, some times I get that way. When I ask a straight forward question with a true desire to understand any the replies I get are insulting and derogatory. That tends to break my normal laughing mood.
There's no need to take things personally.
I don't know about you, but when I'm falsely accused, I take it personally.
But why should Muslims accept anti-Qur'an, anti-Muslim, anti-Islam rhetoric from a bafoon who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Never ask you to. I ask why you thought he was "anti-Qur'an, anti-Muslim, anti-Islam".
There are numerous other people out there who are Muslim leaders of the community and regular people who could have been interviewed and come on television and done a better job than him.
Because others have "done a better job than him", does not make him wrong.
My 8-year old nephew would have done a better job than him
Now that is nothing but bigotry. And gives me concern about taking anything you say as an honest assement.
I think I made my feelings quite clear about "Spoon feed", and they remain.
If you are unable to see the insult in that, you need to reread.
You are very sensitive! To take offense to someone you have never met telling you they do not want to be "spoon fed"... Like I said this is supposed to be a discussion. Not about hurt feelings over someone telling you they do not want to be spoon fed ridiculous hearsay, to swallow nonsense said by a person about their faith.
You know, some times I get that way. When I ask a straight forward question with a true desire to understand any the replies I get are insulting and derogatory. That tends to break my normal laughing mood.
I would understand if someone called you a name or used deragatory words against you, but nothing of the sort was done spoon fed is not even close please. If it was, the moderators would have removed it according to the rules of this forum. If you feel so strongly about it then complain. But believe what you want, everyone here is entitled to agree to disagree as far as I know.
When you say:
I don't know about you, but when I'm falsely accused, I take it personally.
Falsely accused of what? You cannot even mention what it was after saying you were falsely accused. Come on give me a break.
Never ask you to. I ask why you thought he was "anti-Qur'an, anti-Muslim, anti-Islam".
The fact that you MISSED what I have already stated concerning those matters shows me that you didn't even read my post correctly. If u did you would have asked about my answers, but you didn't, instead you asked the same original question AGAIN of why I thought this or that but it's not about what I think, it's about the reality of what he said are false allegations against the holy book of Islam, generalization on ALL the Muslims in Canada, among other things. In case you missed it before........
Because others have "done a better job than him", does not make him wrong.
Mr. Wilberhum. Apparently you are not reading my posts. I said that there are people who are more qualified than him to speak on issues regarding terrorism. What Amiruddin did was fabricate things to a level that is not true. The Saudi Qur'ans have no essays in the back speaking of Jihad, those essays speak of Tauhid, Shirk, Jurisprudence. There is no mention of Jihad. Obviously you take what Amiruddin says at face value without verifying what he has said as being a fact, or fiction - and it is fiction.
Now that is nothing but bigotry. And gives me concern about taking anything you say as an honest assement.
Now you are the one making accusations, against me, of bigotry. If you cannot accept the fact that there are muslim children who can explain terrorism and that it does not have to do with the religion of Islam itself, that is your own problem but it is true! And again, very poor excuse of accusing me of bigotry to avoid responding to my answers of terrorism having nothing to do with Islam or our holy book... Nice try.
You are welcome to continue debating this matter as I said you're entitled to think whatever you want, but it doesn't mean that others have to accept what you might agree with as being something that is "good", or the "right thing."
You are welcome to continue debating this matter as I said you're entitled to think whatever you want, but it doesn't mean that others have to accept what you might agree with as being something that is "good", or the "right thing."
Never ask for anyone to agree, I ask for an explanation.
Go back to my first post.
What followed were insults, derogate statements and false allegations.
But this is not uncommon treatment given to a Dhimmi.
I will think twice before I ask for an explanation.
So I leave it at that.
Ok wilberhum, I can understand how you maybe feeling regarding this issue. But you have to understand, there is not just 2 sides here, meaning people like Amriudeen and "Radical" Muslims, there is also a group in-between those two. They are the group that do not agree with killing non Muslims for no reason, and also do not sit around letting non-Muslims oppress their Muslim brothers and sisters. I can say I am from that group. Now please I ask you to listen to this Brother talk its a few mins. It talks about this show called 'Dispatches - Undercover Mosques' anyway I want you to just listen and hear what he is saying regarding "Muslim Radicals" found in the Muslim community.
I just saw this videoclip from CBC News in Canada on youtube of some guy basically blaming Muslim community in Canada for terrorism! Looks like people will do anything to get on tv these days. Astaghfirullah, May Allah keep us safe from such fitnah.
Ok so this guy Amirudeen says that this man specifically and others like him are radical extreme Muslim. That is why we are upset because this man here is very educated he graduated from Harvard University and also graduated from that " EXTREME" University that he claims are hardcore radicals salafi extremists.
So this upsets me because what he is saying is a bunch of Lies, and Islam HATES liars. As the saying goes, " Curse the tongue that lies"
Ok so this guy Amirudeen says that this man specifically and others like him are radical extreme Muslim. That is why we are upset because this man here is very educated he graduated from Harvard University and also graduated from that " EXTREME" University that he claims are hardcore radicals salafi extremists.
So this upsets me because what he is saying is a bunch of Lies, and Islam HATES liars. As the saying goes, " Curse the tongue that lies"
Ra`eesah,
I do understand. The video that you directed me to was excellent. It is sad that you were not the one that responded in the first place. The thread would have went a whole lot differently. Remember my question?
I truly don't understand. When I witch the video, I see a Muslim speaking out against radicalism. What do you see that I don't? Please explain in words a non-Muslim could understand.
It seams to be that he is trying to stop radicalism. I think that is a good thing.
Keyword: seems.
He isn't fighting the radicals, he is targeting the moderates and calling them radical. That is the problem. It is fake. And to be honest it is really disappointing and frustrating!
This forum contains many lectures given by the al-maghrib institute instructors. Why now listen to them yourself to see who 'radical' they are. Try Muhammad al-Shareef, you already seem to have seen Yasir Qadhi.
Warning, the lack of references to 'violent jihad' might shock some viewers.
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Like I said this is supposed to be a discussion. Not about hurt feelings over someone telling you they do not want to be spoon fed ridiculous hearsay, to swallow nonsense said by a person about their faith.
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