Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - Enemy of Islam?

[Amadeus85]

USA and EC helped to Turkey??????? you are funny! do you have any evidence about it.

in fact USA and Europe has never helped to us! Moreover USA and Europe maked embargo on Turkey in 70s because we saved Turks in cyprus who were under attact of Greek. IS THIS YOUR HELP? IF SO WE DONT WANT YOUR HELP!!!

I have a Cyprus Greek in my family. We have been talking last summer. He said that before the turkish invasion, Greeks and Turks in Cyprus lived in peace and friendship. But after this, it changed.
Before turkish invasion on Cyprus, this country had english aircraft base. The Americans wanted to have there own aircraft base in the North(to scare the soviets), but the Cypriot president in that time didnt agree. By coincidence very soon the turkish army(one of teh best USA ally) attacked Cyprus. In very short time american military base was built in northern Cyprus.

 

[yasin ibn Ahmad]

Is their any turkish brother's who can comment?

He is one of the sufians or dajjals of last times.A Muslim shouldnT praise him and his doings.Need proof?Only one thing I will say.The script and the language of Turkish language.Today's Turkish youth can't understand any given article or a piece of text, poem,etc. from only 80 years ago.And the worse is they cant even read the text.Because it was arabic script.They also systematically took out several arabic rooted words from the language.This is important because all of these things are directly related to Islam and Islamic life.If one sees arabic script, it would remind him Islam, Quran.They forced people to say the Turkish translation of Quran during salah.They did change the adhan from arabic to turkish translation.Nearly for ten years it was in turkish in 1940ies.Then ,Adnan Menderes,PM, changed it to arabic again.He was executed for some other reasons.

 

[dostpost]

I have a Cyprus Greek in my family. We have been talking last summer. He said that before the turkish invasion, Greeks and Turks in Cyprus lived in peace and friendship. But after this, it changed.
Before turkish invasion on Cyprus, this country had english aircraft base. The Americans wanted to have there own aircraft base in the North(to scare the soviets), but the Cypriot president in that time didnt agree. By coincidence very soon the turkish army(one of teh best USA ally) attacked Cyprus. In very short time american military base was built in northern Cyprus.

is these photos peace?

how did I found them?


1) Open Internet Explorer
2) Write "www.google.com" press ENTER
3) write "slaughter against turks in cyprus" in google and press ENTER
4) Click the images.



AND..

THERE IS NO aircraft base of USA IN NORTHERN CYPRUS. CAN YOU HAVE ANY EVIDANCE ABOUT IT?

You are really funny!

 

[Amadeus85]

I have just said what I heard from my relative. He is Cypriot, why would he lie. Anyway, Cyprus was oppucpied by Turkey and still is.

 

[dostpost]

I have just said what I heard from my relative. He is Cypriot, why would he lie. Anyway, Cyprus was oppucpied by Turkey and still is.

he lies because probably his father killed many Turks in 1970s. :zip:

 

[Bittersteel]

Muslim seculars seem more "PRO-SECULAR" than the Christian ones...

that maybe because Christian practices in general have been secularized to a certain extent.

If i remember correctly it wasn't only the secularists but also the religious ones who demonstrated and the latter showed massive support for the government(the pro-Islamic one) in Turkey.

I got a question:If the Turks hated Islam/anything to do with the religion why did they vote this pro-Islamic party into power?Turkey is a democracy right?

 

[north_malaysian]

that maybe because Christian practices in general have been secularized to a certain extent.

If i remember correctly it wasn't only the secularists but also the religious ones who demonstrated and the latter showed massive support for the government(the pro-Islamic one) in Turkey.

I got a question:If the Turks hated Islam/anything to do with the religion why did they vote this pro-Islamic party into power?Turkey is a democracy right?

I think majority of the Turks are as pious and observant as Muslims in other nations too...

 

[north_malaysian]

I have one question to the Turks here.... and I have asked the same question to some secular Turks on facebook...

"What do you think about the Arabs good relationship with the Greeks and Armenians?"

 

[dostpost]

most of arabs hates Turks. I dont know why? there are some reasons. The governers who was appointed by Ottoman Empire to arabs land behaved cruelly . The ottoman empire couldnt stop them because empire had lots of wars in many fronts. So british goverment used this situation and provoked arabs against Ottoman Empire. Arabs were so illiterate and could turn their side easly. Even they destroyed train rails that were built by Ottoman Empire. Finally they surrendered their land to British.


Opposite of this situation, we (Turks) love arabs. We always want a islamic union.

So if you say "arabs like greeks and armenians more than Turks", I believe it. Nothing to do. One or two years ago Saudi destroyed a ottoman castle near the Kaaba. The castle defensed the Kaaba against Crusaders (christian army) . I have said before, arabs are so illiterate.

 

[Al-Zaara]

I'm just one fourth Turkish.

"What do you think about the Arabs good relationship with the Greeks and Armenians?"

What is there to think? Whatever. As long as they don't go and try to mobilize and then attack Turkey or Turks together, haha.

 

[Zico]

most of arabs hates Turks. I dont know why? there are some reasons. The governers who was appointed by Ottoman Empire to arabs land behaved cruelly . The ottoman empire couldnt stop them because empire had lots of wars in many fronts. So british goverment used this situation and provoked arabs against Ottoman Empire. Arabs were so illiterate and could turn their side easly. Even they destroyed train rails that were built by Ottoman Empire. Finally they surrendered their land to British.

What!?! I don't hate Turks nor most Arabs...Believe me when I tell you some times we look up to you guys for moral "Islamic" support. Despite what other fellow Arabs say, I think Turkey made the best decision with uniting with Europeans.

That said I truly don't know why ppl hate us so much? imsad

Btw if it weren't for Britain then Saudi Arabia would've devoured us like water...We had a battle with them once. And above all that Britain discovered Oil for us

I'm just one fourth Turkish.

What is there to think? Whatever. As long as they don't go and try to mobilize and then attack Turkey or Turks together, haha.

Not funny.:ermm:

 

[Al-Zaara]

Not funny.:ermm:

Sorry.

 

[dostpost]

What!?! I don't hate Turks nor most Arabs...Believe me when I tell you some times we look up to you guys for moral "Islamic" support. Despite what other fellow Arabs say, I think Turkey made the best decision with uniting with Europeans.

That said I truly don't know why ppl hate us so much? imsad

Btw if it weren't for Britain then Saudi Arabia would've devoured us like water...We had a battle with them once. And above all that Britain discovered Oil for us



Not funny.:ermm:

where are u from?

 

[north_malaysian]

most of arabs hates Turks. I dont know why? there are some reasons. The governers who was appointed by Ottoman Empire to arabs land behaved cruelly . The ottoman empire couldnt stop them because empire had lots of wars in many fronts. So british goverment used this situation and provoked arabs against Ottoman Empire. Arabs were so illiterate and could turn their side easly. Even they destroyed train rails that were built by Ottoman Empire. Finally they surrendered their land to British.


Opposite of this situation, we (Turks) love arabs. We always want a islamic union.

So if you say "arabs like greeks and armenians more than Turks", I believe it. Nothing to do. One or two years ago Saudi destroyed a ottoman castle near the Kaaba. The castle defensed the Kaaba against Crusaders (christian army) . I have said before, arabs are so illiterate.

Masha Allah!!! Your answer is just the same with my secularist Turk friends...

They said that Arabs might have good relationship with Greeks and Armenians because they "think" they were opressed by the Ottoman Turks...

But still, the Turks would love the Arabs and would protect the Arabs... even if the Arabs hate them so much...

wow

One of the answer i've got from a Turk on Facebook:

Arabs, Greeks, Armenians, Persia have a very good relationship in each other. They don't like us, but we care them.

People talking about US pressure to Iran, about Iraq's uniter system, supporting Syria for US pressure, Palestine.

We care but they supported PKK terrorist many times. For Example Yasser Arafat(Abu Ammar) gave place ... to this terrorist in their camps, but many turks like him.

Khafız Assad supported PKK. Minority controlled Iraq(Terrorist government supporting PKK terrorism).

And Iran.... Iran has a Azeri Turkish minority, so they are far away Azerbaijani politics. Armenia occuped nagorno - karabakh in Azerbaijan. And we put an embargo to Armenia for our brothers. Now Iran supporting Armenia with Russia (arms, money, trade).

In 1974 Cyprus Crisis only we got supported by pakistan. So i love pakistan for this reason.

(i used poor word for this meaning-miserable,unhappy etc-)
So this piece of world don't know about calmness.

 

[Zico]

where are u from?

Kuwait bro

 

[Bittersteel]

from what I hear a lot,the Persian Gulf Arabs prefer Indian Hindus to us South Asian Muslims when it comes to work and other things.I am not saying we don't have our faults.But it seems like no one is eager anymore for Islamic unity.

coming back to Ataturk he was anti-Islamic.Yes he was.Too much.Way too much against religion, that is where my problem lies.Some of his reforms weren't against religion but I found his far left secular stance an extremist one.as extremists as as any Islamic extremist.

 

[Zico]

from what I hear a lot,the Persian Gulf Arabs prefer Indian Hindus to us South Asian Muslims when it comes to work and other things.I am not saying we don't have our faults.But it seems like no one is eager anymore for Islamic unity.

Says who?

coming back to Ataturk he was anti-Islamic.Yes he was.Too much.Way too much against religion, that is where my problem lies.Some of his reforms weren't against religion but I found his far left secular stance an extremist one.as extremists as as any Islamic extremist.

Agreed

 

[alcurad]

Btw if it weren't for Britain then Saudi Arabia would've devoured us like water...We had a battle with them once. And above all that Britain discovered Oil for us

the battle was a stalemate because the Brits intervened, but back then only Ibn saud could defy them and get away with it.

generally, I don't think something called khilafa will come back soon, not to mention it won't be anything like the simplistic almost childish idea some have about it.
if it ever happens though, it'll probably be like a crossbreed of US & European union.
and people rarely 'unite' politically for religion alone, geopolitics play a greater role.

 

[Zico]

the battle was a stalemate because the Brits intervened, but back then only Ibn saud could defy them and get away with it.

Sorry but you got it all wrong, in fact we had a couple of battle with them and mostly won without Britain intervening. And Sheikh Mubarak Al-Subah helped AbdulAziz Bin Saud to capture what is now Saudi Arabia when fighting against Bin Rashid then Britain intervened to help out because Shiekh Mubarak of Kuwait helped out. Btw Both Al-Sabah and Al-Saud are cuzins.

generally, I don't think something called khilafa will come back soon, not to mention it won't be anything like the simplistic almost childish some have about it.
if it ever happens though, it'll probably be like a crossbreed of US & European union.
and people rarely 'unite' politically for religion alone, geopolitics play a greater role.

True that. But I think that something really disturbing or shocking MUST happen to the Muslim world to "Shake it" or "Awake it" from its love of this life. Then and only then will they become one. Inshalla

 

[Bittersteel]

Says who?

well more like see than hear.Okay I visited Dubai and UAE forums once and twice and got the idea from there.