Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

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Sorry, for me that particular conspiracy theory is right up there with little gray men at Area 51 and Elvis still being alive. It's a fairy story that had lost any credibility (not that it ever had much) by the third time OBL actually confessed. Or was it the fourth.. :rollseyes

Well lets seee now, Who said he confessed? Oh yeah the 3rd video tape with the so-called Osama looking like he's put on about 50kg in a week and laughing very uncharacteristically and confessing to that which he denied in the other two tapes. And praising the two terrorists who did the hijacking, only what's this? He gets their names wrong. lol that was a fake video bro. Don't u look stuff up before you believe everything the Media tells you?


Your hero murdered 2,700 innocent people on Bush's patch.. what did you expect his reaction to be?

Your hero didn't do that. Have you watched 'The Great Illusion?'

And how many innocent muslims has Bush murdered? And what do u expect the Ummah's response to be?


If thats the case they wouldnt be kicking so much kuffar butt hence why theyre sending the troops from Iraq to afghanistan. Theyll still whimp out and give in eventually. Kafir infidel- "Oh no, my soldier buddy hurt his toe, right thats it lets leave this compound and go back to base to try and muster up some courage"

Hahahaha!

Sorry are you refuting my point?

Nope she isn't and neither am i lol!


No i don't think so, BUT i won't pray for this man.

Because if he is "for real" then he is reason behind muslims dying & if he's NOT what ppl think he is & is just a puppet playing in hands of our enemies then again he's partner with them. So in any case i won't pray for such a person. I pray he be caught dead or alive so that america would loose at least one excuse to kill muslims.

Sorry i can't help being disgusted here. Why should we let the American's get our brother? They will kill Muslims regardless so why should we hand over one man trying to please our enemy who is acting like a spoilt brat killing everybody because he can't get his 'sweetie' or the oil wells that Sheikh Osama refused them.

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getting back to the original post, is there any muslim that doubts the call to jihad in palestine being genuine and valid?

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I don't, where are our brothers?

Does crashing planes into buildings and killing 3,000 people count as terrorism? Because bin Laden supports that, and here you are supporting bin Laden.

Or are you one of those people who thinks 9/11 is a giant Jewish conspiracy or something?

It is interesting, as always, to come here and see so many Muslims openly declare support for bin Laden and al-Qaeda and other violent fanatics, while the moderators and admins look on with the occasional mild rebuke.

What's wrong with being one of those people?:)

I know the solution keltoi. It's Jihad

And Jihad means to struggle so don't start hiding under the table
 
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getting back to the original post, is there any muslim that doubts the call to jihad in palestine being genuine and valid?

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Setting aside the question if such a call would be a good idea my question would be where in the world does Osama Bin Laden get the authority to make such a call? He is neither a Caliph nor even a religious scholar.
 
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Well lets seee now, Who said he confessed? Oh yeah the 3rd video tape with the so-called Osama looking like he's put on about 50kg in a week and laughing very uncharacteristically and confessing to that which he denied in the other two tapes. And praising the two terrorists who did the hijacking, only what's this? He gets their names wrong. lol that was a fake video bro. Don't u look stuff up before you believe everything the Media tells you?

Isin't it odd that the CIA would do such a horrid job of imitating him? I mean they have people who have dedicated their lives to studying this man yet they apparently, with all their billions of dollars and analysts could not pull off an even almost close imitation.




Sorry i can't help being disgusted here. Why should we let the American's get our brother? They will kill Muslims regardless so why should we hand over one man trying to please our enemy who is acting like a spoilt brat killing everybody because he can't get his 'sweetie' or the oil wells that Sheikh Osama refused them.

With all due respect you don't know much about American politics. The best thing that ever happened for the neocons was September 11th. I doubt any of them are glad it happened but politically it gave them a blank check. It also gave a blank check for Putin to step up his atrocities in Chechnya, China against their Muslim population, Israel against the Palestinians etc. Osama Bin Laden did not just murder 3,000 innocent people, Muslim amongst them, he also put the left in America way back and set the conditions for much of the horrible suffering we see in the Islamic world from Iraq and Palestine all the way to Chechnya and Uzbekistan. Now every authoritarian despot in a Muslim land can use the "war on terror" as justifications for all sorts of human rights abuses.





What's wrong with being one of those people?:)

Your free to believe anything you want, but the content of this belief is on par with bigfoot and the tooth fairy.
 
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If Islam is truly a religion of forgiveness and mercy, then I'm surprised there aren't more Muslims like AntiKarateKid on here, who reject violent revenge and holy wars for peaceful reconciliation.


The logic of that deduction breaks down pretty quickly with all due respect.
 
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Isin't it odd that the CIA would do such a horrid job of imitating him? I mean they have people who have dedicated their lives to studying this man yet they apparently, with all their billions of dollars and analysts could not pull off an even almost close imitation.
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Eh.. Their human, they make mistakes. Just look at 9/11
 
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Setting aside the question if such a call would be a good idea my question would be where in the world does Osama Bin Laden get the authority to make such a call? He is neither a Caliph nor even a religious scholar.

And who are you to question his authority? You're neither a muslim nor do you have enough knowledge of Islam and the situation to question what he does.

Isin't it odd that the CIA would do such a horrid job of imitating him? I mean they have people who have dedicated their lives to studying this man yet they apparently, with all their billions of dollars and analysts could not pull off an even almost close imitation.

Yes very odd, daft aren't they?
And u'd think with all their cleverness they would have changed the date that flashes up on the screen of the documentary that was released about 9/11. According to the date, they filmed that documentary 2 days before the event even took place:)

Your free to believe anything you want, but the content of this belief is on par with bigfoot and the tooth fairy.

of course i am free to believe what i want, i'm not brainwashed by the media and it's okay bro if you really want to believe in big foot and the tooth fairy, i won't tell:)
 
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And who are you to question his authority
You're neither a muslim nor do you have enough knowledge of Islam and the situation to question what he does.

I don't think I ever claimed to be a Muslim or an expert on Islam nor did I imply my disapproval of his call caried any religious weight whatsoever. I was under the impression in traditional Islamic law that not just any individual has the authority to call jihad. I think it is perfectly fair to ask what authority he has to call a jihad.



Yes very odd, daft aren't they?

I don't know, I've never been invited to visit them in Virginia:cry:

And u'd think with all their cleverness they would have changed the date that flashes up on the screen of the documentary that was released about 9/11. According to the date, they filmed that documentary 2 days before the event even took place:)

I don't know what you are talking about sorry.



of course i am free to believe what i want, i'm not brainwashed by the media and it's okay bro if you really want to believe in big foot and the tooth fairy, i won't tell:)

:D

Looking back at my last post I see it came off a lot more combative than I intended so I am sorry about that.
 
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^What do you suggest Qingu? What do you think will be the best way to free the Palestinians from Isreal's terrorrism?

It's easy to say what NOT to do but what SHOULD be done?
Here is what I would like to see from all sides:

Palestinians: Nonviolent resistance to Israeli aggression. It worked for blacks in America. It worked for Indians against the British. It can work for the Palestinians against the Israelis.

I say this purely for a practical reason: Arabs have lost every war they fought against Israel for the past 60 years. There is no possible military situation in which the Palestinians, or even Muslim states worldwide, could fight Israel to an advantage. If a kid picked a fight with a giant bully on a playground, you'd call him stupid. If a kid constantly picked fights with this bully and then acted surprised when the bully constantly beats him up, you'd call the kid a lunatic.

They lost the war. Israel is bigger. They fought for their chunk of land, and now they have it. It was immoral, but it was 60 years ago. The reality of the situation is that the Israelis are not going to leave, so a two-state solution is the only solution.

(On nuclear weapons: Even if Pakistan or Iran dropped one on Israel, what then? Would that free the Palestinians? No, it would kill a lot of them, and then Israel would obviously respond in kind with their nukes, probably disproportionately, killing millions more Muslims.)

Many Palestinians are already practicing nonviolent resistance, and a lot of the world feels sympathy and support for them. But that support evaporates pretty quick when the democratically elected government of Hamas launches rockets into Israeli cities.

Israel: nonviolent resistance. (I doubt any Israelis are reading this forum, but if you are, here's what I think you should do.) If Hamas launches rockets against your cities, ignore them. Have the courage to be peaceful instead of vengeful.

Treat them like unfortunate weather. Most Israelis want peace. Most Israelis want a two-state rule of Palestine. For 60 years, Israelis have responded to suicide bombings and rocket strikes with more violence against the Palestinians. It hasn't worked. Palestinians hate Israel more than ever, and killing hundreds of their children and families is not going to scare them into obedience, it's going to radicalize even more of them into violent extremists.

There was recently an NYT article about the conflict and they interviewed some Israelis. The Israelis basically said their war on gaza was intended to be violent "madness" to terrorize the Gazans. An Israeli ex-general was quoted as saying he understands exactly why Hamas uses suicide bombings and other "terrorist" attacks—because that's exactly what Israel is doing to the Gazans. It is obvious to most civilized people that, regardless of who "started" this conflict, Israel is acting immorally.

That is why I think Israel, too, should practice nonviolent resistance against Palestinian aggression. Nonviolent resistance does not have to be limited to the weak and oppressed. It is obvious that Hamas' rocket attacks are intended to provoke Israel to some extent. So don't take the bait. When Israel counterattacks, it always makes it worse.

America: stop supporting Israel. Stop giving them billions of dollars in aid. Use our clout with NATO and the UN to put an international peacekeeping force in Gaza, ideally with soldiers from Islamic countries as well. Even if both Israelis and Palestinian governments refrain from violent aggression, there will always be insane Israeli settlers and Salafi-style jihadists who just want to kill each other, peace be ****ed. The purpose of the international peacekeeping force would be to stop such rogue elements, but also to deter the Israeli and Palestinian governments from responding to rogue elements if they are not stopped.

Also: none of these things is a precondition for the other. Palestinians shouldn't wait for Israelis to become doves to give up violence. Israelis shouldn't wait for Hamas to stop firing rockets to treat the Palestinians like human beings. And America shouldn't wait for the "terrorists" to submit or whatever to join the rest of the world's consensus that something drastic needs to be done here to end violence from both sides.
 
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Al-Qaeda is last thing what Palestinians need! They better to stay away and kill they enemies in somewhere else.

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Al-Qaeda is last thing what Palestinians need! They better to stay away and kill they enemies in somewhere else.

:raging:

Anywhere Al-Quaida goes their activities eclipse the legitimate grievances of the people imsad
 
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What's wrong with being one of those people?:)
Okay, Ayesha. If I understand you, you think that al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. I am presuming you think Bush did it in cooperation with the evil zionist conspiracy or whatever. However, I'm curious:

• Are you glad 9/11 happened?

• If it was proven that Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11, would it change your opinion of him?

• You clearly think everything "the media" tells us about al-Qaeda is false. So what do we know about al-Qaeda? You seem to support them, so I'm curious to see what kind of group you think they are in the first place.
 
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Ayesha, I have another question for you as well.

Right now I'm looking at the following page from al-Jazeera:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2007/09/2008525132236327280.html

Here is what it says:

Osama bin Laden has eulogised one of the September 11 hijackers in a new video released on the sixth anniversary of the attacks in the United States.

The al-Qaeda leader is seen in a still image on the video in which he gives a commentary praising Walid al-Shehri, one of the 19 hijackers who carried out the 2001 attacks.

Al-Shehri, who was aboard American Airlines flight 11, the first jet to crash into the World Trade Centre in New York in 2001, is also seen on the tape.

IntelCenter, a US-based organisation that monitors radical websites, said it had a copy of the video which lasts 47 minutes.

The authenticity of the tape, which does not have moving images of bin Laden, could not be verified.

The video begins with a photograph of bin Laden in front of a brown backdrop.

In a voiceover, he is heard saying: "This talk of mine consists of some reflections on the will of a young man who personally penetrated the most extreme degrees of danger and is a rarity among men: one of the 19 champions, may Allah have mercy on them all."

Al-Shehri asserts in the tape that the US will suffer the same fate as the former Soviet Union and praises the losses the United States suffered in Somalia in the late 1990s.

"We shall come at you from your front and back, your right and left," he says.

"As for our own fortune, it is not in this world. And we are not competing with you for this world, because it does not equal in Allah's eyes the wing of a mosquito."

In an earlier tape released on Friday, bin Laden had mocked the US as "weak" and threatened to escalate the war in Iraq.

News of the latest video emerged before the US was to hold ceremonies to remember the dead from New York's Twin Towers, the US defence department headquarters in Washington and a hijacked jet that crashed into a field in Pennsylvania.

I bolded the parts where al-Jazeera explicitly says 9/11 was perpetrated by al-Qaeda hijackers and quotes Osama bin Laden calling them "champions."

Another article by al-Jazeera, clearly identifying one of the hijackers on 9/11 as a mujahadeen threatening jihad against America, and quoting bin Laden praising him posthumously:

http://english.aljazeera.net/archive/2003/09/200849152746318218.html

My question for you: is al-Jazeera also part of this vast Jewish conspiracy that you're talking about?
 
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So whats up with these videos? Its like tupac coming out with a new album every year
 
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^What do you suggest? What do you think will be the best way to free the Palestinians from Isreal's terrorrism?

Perhaps they should bind themselves together. This is what I did on behalf of Iraq, Afghanistan and most recently, Pakistan. I asked Allah to bind the lands. It's a very ancient prayer ~ and it was the only way I could think of to stop the fighting. That way, what ever is destroyed there, is also destroyed here... a farm for a farm, a city for a city, a soul for a soul. Hey, it worked for Moses :)

So, let the arm stab the leg with it's own spear because it thinks it's different ~ both will feel the pain!

The Ninth Scribe
 
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what???? I don't get ur point. I NEVER mentioned "Kabah"...!!!!!


I said, life of innocent muslims are much more precious than one "osama".
He should be caught dead or alive.... I repeat. or better he should surrender himself, which seems rare possibility keeping in mind that he is most probably DEAD already as admitted by Pakistani ex-prime minister Baynazeer Bhutto.

Watch video...
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

"...omer sheikh the man who murdered osama bin laden..."
 
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I don't think I ever claimed to be a Muslim or an expert on Islam nor did I imply my disapproval of his call caried any religious weight whatsoever. I was under the impression in traditional Islamic law that not just any individual has the authority to call jihad. I think it is perfectly fair to ask what authority he has to call a jihad.

Okay point taken lol there is nothing wrong with him declaring Jihad.


I don't know, I've never been invited to visit them in Virginia:cry:
Me neither

I don't know what you are talking about sorry.
There is a video, well actually there are a few but the one that is most eye openning is 'In Plain Sight' with all hard proof included.

Here watch it please... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811

Looking back at my last post I see it came off a lot more combative than I intended so I am sorry about that.

Okay and im sorry for taking it that way.





Okay, Ayesha. If I understand you, you think that al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. I am presuming you think Bush did it in cooperation with the evil zionist conspiracy or whatever.

I do not think Osama bin Laden is responsible.

• Are you glad 9/11 happened?
No i'm not.

• You clearly think everything "the media" tells us about al-Qaeda is false. So what do we know about al-Qaeda? You seem to support them, so I'm curious to see what kind of group you think they are in the first place.
Everything? I can't say that. Did I say i support them? We have been lied to concerning them, yes, but i didn't say what i though of them.

Let's clarify a few misconceptions you may have. I get the impression that you think i am narrow minded or that you are trying to see if i am.
Okay, if i agree to something that Bin Laden suggests, it's because i think it's correct. He just happened to be the one to say it. And if i agreed to something that he said we should do, it would be because i thought that particular action was the right thing to do and would please God, not bin Laden.
I don't paint pictures of people and hope they live up to my expectations because i'm afraid i'd have a good many dissapointments.
In the end, I'm going to be answerable to God for my actions not bin Ladens.
But i still believe with sound proof that he is innocent and it is my duty if i can to defend him.

• If it was proven that Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11, would it change your opinion of him?
Opinion of him? Why should it change my opinion of him? Tell me, what opinion have i formed of him? He is just a human like you and me.
If someone accused you of something you hadn't done and it was in my power to, i would defend you also and if it was your family being murdered and innocent children starved and killed, i'd despise the action regardless of who you are because one should 'stand up for what is right even if they stand alone.' That's my duty and if i don't do my duty i will be answerable to it on the Day of Judgment. How would i fare if you sued me on that day? And if you don't believe in God or Ressurection then i'm sorry to say this is where our differences lie.

Oh and wth1257 i know more about American politics than you think.

I know 3000 people died. I'm sorry for them all. Many of them were muslims, but 2 wrongs don't make a right and the killing of innocents cannot be justified. If American civillians are killed it gives no excuse of Bush to kill civillians elsewhere.
That's alot like me slapping your little brother because you slapped mine. Though as you know, i do not think that Usama was behind 9/11 which is hat makes it all so unfair...Like for me to slap my own little brother and then put the blame on you just so i can slap yours.


(No worries, i've nothing against you or ur imaginary little brother.)

Ayesha, I have another question for you as well.

Right now I'm looking at the following page from al-Jazeera:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2007/09/2008525132236327280.html

Here is what it says:



I bolded the parts where al-Jazeera explicitly says 9/11 was perpetrated by al-Qaeda hijackers and quotes Osama bin Laden calling them "champions."

Another article by al-Jazeera, clearly identifying one of the hijackers on 9/11 as a mujahadeen threatening jihad against America, and quoting bin Laden praising him posthumously:

http://english.aljazeera.net/archive/2003/09/200849152746318218.html

My question for you: is al-Jazeera also part of this vast Jewish conspiracy that you're talking about?

I'll comment if i get to see that tape. There were fake videos released.
 
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Okay point taken lol there is nothing wrong with him declaring Jihad.
Me neither


There is a video, well actually there are a few but the one that is most eye openning is 'In Plain Sight' with all hard proof included.

Here watch it please... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811

I do not think Osama bin Laden is responsible.

In the end, I'm going to be answerable to God for my actions not bin Ladens.
But i still believe with sound proof that he is innocent and it is my duty if i can to defend him.


Opinion of him? Why should it change my opinion of him? Tell me, what opinion have i formed of him? He is just a human like you and me.
If someone accused you of something you hadn't done and it was in my power to, i would defend you also and if it was your family being murdered and innocent children starved and killed, i'd despise the action regardless of who you are because one should 'stand up for what is right even if they stand alone.' That's my duty and if i don't do my duty i will be answerable to it on the Day of Judgment. How would i fare if you sued me on that day? And if you don't believe in God or Ressurection then i'm sorry to say this is where our differences lie.

Oh and wth1257 i know more about American politics than you think.

I know 3000 people died. I'm sorry for them all. Many of them were muslims, but 2 wrongs don't make a right and the killing of innocents cannot be justified. If American civillians are killed it gives no excuse of Bush to kill civillians elsewhere.
That's alot like me slapping your little brother because you slapped mine. Though as you know, i do not think that Usama was behind 9/11 which is hat makes it all so unfair...Like for me to slap my own little brother and then put the blame on you just so i can slap yours.

I'll comment if i get to see that tape. There were fake videos released.

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here's the latest video, Zero An Investigation into 9/11:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739

and here's one Sister Skye was quoting from the other day 9/11 Missing Links ( The best kept secret of 9/11 is the Israeli connection):

http://www.911missinglinks.com/

some consider this one the best, (9/11 Mysteries Part 1 The Demolitions):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871

and here's one on the 7/7 train bombings in London that sheds the appropriate light on the subject, 7/7 Ripple Effect:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8756795263359807776

and here are 2 sights where you can get copies of these movies on dvd for a dollar:

http://onedollardvdproject.com/DVD-new/Order.html
^^Ron charges for shipping and sells in orders of 3, so you have ones to give away

http://www.v911t.org/21_DVDs_Truth.php

Alfons doesn't charge for shipping [in the USA] but they take longer than Ron's to arrive.


oh yeah, and Osama's FBI page, CLEARLY showing that he IS NOT WANTED for 9/11!:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

:w:
 
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Ayesha (and others on here), I don't see why you need to watch any videos. Al-Jazeera says 9/11 was the work of Al-Qaeda hijackers. You can read this in the links I provided.

I'm not asking if you believe al-Qaeda was behind 9/11 (obviously you don't). I'm asking if you believe Al-Jazeera is lying to you—because Al-Jazeera says they were.

Is Al-Jazeera part of the Zionist media conspiracy? Please answer the question directly.
 
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One more thing, just to be as clear as possible:

I know 3000 people died. I'm sorry for them all. Many of them were muslims, but 2 wrongs don't make a right and the killing of innocents cannot be justified. If American civillians are killed it gives no excuse of Bush to kill civillians elsewhere.
That's alot like me slapping your little brother because you slapped mine. Though as you know, i do not think that Usama was behind 9/11 which is hat makes it all so unfair...Like for me to slap my own little brother and then put the blame on you just so i can slap yours.

I agree. Two wrongs do not make a right. Bush's wars are moral atrocities. And I think I speak for wth as well, since he has elsewhere commented how much he dislikes Bush.

So I'm not sure why you brought this up. Neither of us have ever expressed any support for Americans killing civilians. The fact that Bush has immorally killed civilians has absolutely nothing to do with the debate we are having, which is whether or not Osama bin Laden is actually responsible for 9/11.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't assume that all Americans support Bush's policies. That's just as unfair as assuming all Muslims are terrorists.
 
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I'd appreciate it if you didn't assume that all Americans support Bush's policies. That's just as unfair as assuming all Muslims are terrorists.

Hey of course it's unfair, i didn't even know that u were American (if u mentioned it somewhere it must have slipped my notice) and I never thought you supported Bush. I meant that whether or not Usama bin Laden did 9/11, Bush had no excuse to retaliate like that. But yeah u already know that so no point in me saying it again was there?

And yes back to Al Jazeerah. What makes you think i believe anything they have to say just because it's from them? I don't know if they are part of the zionist watsy conspiracy and i wouldn't believe them blindly either way. I think they are mistaken and if they are i'm not gonna make their mistakes-or at least i'll try not to. Besides that's the English channel. The arabic hannel is the original so i'd expect it to be more authentic and if it isn't too bad for them, it makes no difference to me i'm not an Al Jazeeraite.

There have i answered ur question?
 
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