Question to Atheists: Male/Female how?

[Zamtsa]

Well let's do this. I've never studied up on the evolution of sex so to make this interesting I'll give my guesses now then study up on the current scientific literature to see where I was wrong, right or N/A.

a)big question. I would say that along the line somewhere exchange of genetic material came about through a change in the genetic material. The upshot of this was stable given the adaptive environment. This delinated into male/female.

b) inherited from ancestors (since you specifically state human I'll keep my answers to us and not where the actual ability came about).

1) like male fish produce sperm we got it from our ancestors.

2) Mammalian trait since fish just spread it about in the water, we need an more liquid environment given the amniote. So we go this somewhere in the land/sea transition.

3) See fish (we inherited the trait from an earlier ancestor).

4) Adaptive change from earlier ancestor where single genetic material introduction with lock out was more successful.

5) Land based ancestor. See amniote.

6) From earlier adaption of any number of ancestors. (On a side note, I wouldn't call this exact as allah has killed billions of kids and mothers to be due to inexact timing over the history of mankind. Blind evolution makes this horrible suffering more understandable).

7) Inherited. It would seem reasonable to me that more complex creatures would be more successful should they be able to care and sustain their offspring.

The questions are a little poorly worded (no offense, that's why i wanted your answers to guide me). I'm sure you'll refine your questions as we proceed. My next responses will be mainly researched (I'll define where I'm giving my own opinions as I did in this case).

This sounds like it will be an interesting enterprise.

Thanks.

How does this happen, If you could answer, I'll give up:

I see 3 bricks lying on the floor, and I go somewhere, after a while, I see the 3 bricks standing to each other. I said "No one make the 3 bricks to stand to each other. Because, there is no 1st brick, bricks are made by themselves, making consclusion that behind every bricks there is a creator, is not intelligent enough."


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the guidance).

 

[ninetrey]

How does this happen, If you could answer, I'll give up:

I see 3 bricks lying on the floor, and I go somewhere, after a while, I see the 3 bricks standing to each other. I said "No one make the 3 bricks to stand to each other. Because, there is no 1st brick, bricks are made by themselves, making consclusion that behind every bricks there is a creator, is not intelligent enough."


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the guidance).

very good one brother jazzak allahu khairan for that lol

 

[Zamtsa]

wa fiikum barakaallah. Your welcome.

 

[Trumble]

Very informative - on the subject of bricks. Unfortunately bricks are not the the subject of discussion, nor is anything analogous to them.

 

[Zamtsa]

How does this happen, If you could answer, I'll give up:

I see 3 bricks lying on the floor, and I go somewhere, after a while, I see the 3 bricks standing to each other. I said "No one make the 3 bricks to stand to each other. Because, there is no 1st brick, bricks are made by themselves, making consclusion that behind every bricks there is a creator, is not intelligent enough."


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the guidance).

very good, but bricks don't hit back.

 

[Gator]

How does this happen, If you could answer, I'll give up:...

Interesting. How about this.

You go to a colleagues house to pick him up to go on a business trip and there is a closed jar on the kitchen table with a string from the lid hanging in a solution that fills the jar. You and he leave and lock the door. He lives alone and no one else has a key.

You come back at the end of the week and he unlocks the door and there is a large crystal hanging from the end of the string that wasn't there before!

Now is your assumption that this crystal formed by a miracle from god or the result of chemistry? Let me know.

Thanks.

 

[Ali_Cena]

hi gator, one thing which i think atheist misunderstand sooooooooooooooooooooo muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch is that
they think that if it can be explained e.i how the crystal was formed, they it leave God out, why???? why do all atheist think like that, i mean if you can explain how it was formed, you are basically explain how God made it, by the chemical process. When someone says God did it, then the scientist can say how, say evolution or big bang.

so your answer is this by God's will the chemical process lead to the forming of chemistry,

one last thing please gator, if you understood what i meant by my first paragraph tell me, i want to know if that is how you think>>>if it can be explaind then God did not do it, iis this how you think??>>being atheist anyway.

cant you just think this is how God made it, by the chemical biological process or whatever.... comment,
Peace brother gator

 

[Ali_Cena]

bumpage gator reply????????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Zamtsa]

bumpage gator reply????????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Na'am, because it's Allahu Ta'ala who made the basic law of this universe, so that any change outside of the usual things could happen. That's why even Mu'jizat(miracle) could happen in this world, because Allahu Ta'ala already prepared the infrastructure for that to happen.

People talking about a lottery ballot, then the earth formed itself, just as the right number taken from the lottery.

Now if it is really the case, then there would not be any fully transformed living beings, because the fact is that the proof of a half transformed animals, was never even found.

And why was that? Because in the outer space, the only living things found are Bacteria and microscopic organism.

So Allahu Ta'ala made Mars, Jupiter, Mercurius etc not to make people disbelief Him, instead to know that Allahu Ta'ala could make the Hellfire and the Heaven. The Hellfire is worse place than the planets, with their poisonous air, hot temperature, no nutrients etc.

 

[Ali_Cena]

Na'am, because it's Allahu Ta'ala who made the basic law of this universe, so that any change outside of the usual things could happen. That's why even Mu'jizat(miracle) could happen in this world, because Allahu Ta'ala already prepared the infrastructure for that to happen.

People talking about a lottery ballot, then the earth formed itself, just as the right number taken from the lottery.

Now if it is really the case, then there would not be any fully transformed living beings, because the fact is that the proof of a half transformed animals, was never even found.

And why was that? Because in the outer space, the only living things found are Bacteria and microscopic organism.

So Allahu Ta'ala made Mars, Jupiter, Mercurius etc not to make people disbelief Him, instead to know that Allahu Ta'ala could make the Hellfire and the Heaven. The Hellfire is worse place than the planets, with their poisonous air, hot temperature, no nutrients etc.

lol wanted gator to reply, but your reply was good lol, and it makes sense...
PEace brother

 

[BoredAgnostic]

My question is to Atheists.

Before you answer this please refrain from mahoosive copy/paste from google. Please speak in simple terms and explain briefly.

I have been reading all the threads about evolution and the "theories" that explain evolving from single celled organisms.... whats your "theory" for this?

My question is:

a) Single celled organisms reproduce by cell division right? So if we evolved from single cell organisms at what point did they become male and female?

b) What was the cause for the Sexes to come into existence?

Was it caused by mutation? Was it a slow process? If so surely the sexual organs were not fully functional and therefore would cause the species to go extinct? Or did they miraculously appear in their fully fuctional form?

c) How was it that the males and females were given different set of tools that together create such a robust and complicated system? Was it by accident? If it was by accident then refer to b)


Basically when and where did the sexual organs come if there was no plan behind them? Did the single celled organisms plan the reproductive system?

Thanks.

I'd actually be interested in knowing this as well. My knowledge of evolution is pretty rudimentary, and considering I'm a biology major..I better get to studying! If you're genuinely interested in finding out some possible answers, I would suggest that you place your questions on this forum http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dBoard.cgi . From what I've seen there are only a handful of atheists/agnostics on this forum and I don't know how many of them are evolutionary biologists or have in depth knowledge of this subject.

 

[Gator]

hi gator, one thing which i think atheist misunderstand sooooooooooooooooooooo muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch is that
they think that if it can be explained e.i how the crystal was formed, they it leave God out, why???? why do all atheist think like that, i mean if you can explain how it was formed, you are basically explain how God made it, by the chemical process. When someone says God did it, then the scientist can say how, say evolution or big bang.

so your answer is this by God's will the chemical process lead to the forming of chemistry,

one last thing please gator, if you understood what i meant by my first paragraph tell me, i want to know if that is how you think>>>if it can be explaind then God did not do it, iis this how you think??>>being atheist anyway.

cant you just think this is how God made it, by the chemical biological process or whatever.... comment,
Peace brother gator

Hey Ali, Actually I do understand it. As I was typing it i was thinking to myself the smart*** answer would be "BOTH!". Then that's a different question as it goes to the existence of god.

To answer your second question, no, explainations aren't necessary, since I believe there is no god, no god has done anything. I don't have all the answers and don't really need them to not believe in god. My lack of a belief in god is not based on science. I'm ok with saying "I don't know, but I have guesses".

The reason I'm an atheist is that based on my experiences of the world and how my mind processes that information, none of the definitions of a god sound reasonable to me.

Thanks.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

My question is to Atheists.

Before you answer this please refrain from mahoosive copy/paste from google. Please speak in simple terms and explain briefly.

I have been reading all the threads about evolution and the "theories" that explain evolving from single celled organisms.... whats your "theory" for this?

My question is:

a) Single celled organisms reproduce by cell division right? So if we evolved from single cell organisms at what point did they become male and female?

b) What was the cause for the Sexes to come into existence?

Was it caused by mutation? Was it a slow process? If so surely the sexual organs were not fully functional and therefore would cause the species to go extinct? Or did they miraculously appear in their fully fuctional form?

c) How was it that the males and females were given different set of tools that together create such a robust and complicated system? Was it by accident? If it was by accident then refer to b)


Basically when and where did the sexual organs come if there was no plan behind them? Did the single celled organisms plan the reproductive system?

Thanks.

The answer to your questions is "Nobody knows".

Peace

 

[Zamtsa]

Greetings,


The answer to your questions is "Nobody knows".

Peace

It's different between saying "nobody knows," with saying "Allahu Ta'ala said it in Al Qur'an."

While Muhammad, being as Rasulullah, he did not became a smart ... person type of thing. When someone ask about the succesfulness of hybrid marriage between plants, he said "Antum a'lamu umuri dunyakum (You know better about the things of the world)."

He also said that Syaithan like to ask to people who believe on Allahu Tabaraka Ta'ala with the question "Who made the sky and the earth," then after the Muslim replies "Allahu Subhanahu wa Ta'ala," the Syaithan will ask again "Who created Allah," Rasulullah Shalallahu 'alaihi wa Sallam said "When you are ask with that question then reply 'I believe on Allah and His Rasul."

 

[Hamayun]

Greetings,


The answer to your questions is "Nobody knows".

Peace

Same goes for all the other theories of evolution. Nobody really "knows" the answers but there are still theories.

So what are the theories for this?

Let me make it easier... I will post one question at a time clearly.

1. Describe the transitional stages starting from meiosis to the present day reproductive organs (including the female organs supporting the foetus in the womb and the ability to breast feed after birth) and the causes behind the change.


Thanks

 

[Trumble]

Let me make it easier... I will post one question at a time clearly.

1. Describe the transitional stages starting from meiosis to the present day reproductive organs (including the female organs supporting the foetus in the womb and the ability to breast feed after birth) and the causes behind the change.

What is the point of this? We have already established we have nobody here qualified to answer in specific terms; this is postgrad stuff not general knowledge. Rather than tediously flogging the proverbial dead horse in, presumably, trying to make some sort of point, why not visit the website BoredAgnostic recommended where someone might actually have some answers for you?

 

[Hamayun]

What is the point of this? We have already established we have nobody here qualified to answer in specific terms; this is postgrad stuff not general knowledge. Rather than tediously flogging the proverbial dead horse in, presumably, trying to make some sort of point, why not visit the website BoredAgnostic recommended where someone might actually have some answers for you?

You let me down. I thought you knew everything.

Thanks for the advice but I struggle to tolerate the few agnostics here let alone sign up to an Agnostic forum.

Peace

 

[Srigengolder]

The arrogance of the 'believers' in this thread is simply put, disgusting. Whatever happened to good old 'modesty'? If you don't agree with a proven theory, that's your prerogative (I guess), why oh why do you have to resort to pointless arguments?
If you're truly curious about evolution, there are a million books out there that will answer all your questions. Evolution For Dummies comes to mind...

 

[Hamayun]

The arrogance of the 'believers' in this thread is simply put, disgusting. Whatever happened to good old 'modesty'? If you don't agree with a proven theory, that's your prerogative (I guess), why oh why do you have to resort to pointless arguments?
If you're truly curious about evolution, there are a million books out there that will answer all your questions. Evolution For Dummies comes to mind...

Salam my friend

Arrogant believers eh? :mmokay:

I am sorry you feel that way but let me assure you the feeling is mutual. All the Kaafirs I have come across here are not only arrogant but also very sarcastic 100% of the time.

They seem to be here for one reason only... and I think you know what that reason is.

Peace

 

[Srigengolder]

To debate?

I don't know their reasons, don't care for them either. From what I've seen only one side here seems to be celebrating intolerance. Anyway thank you for the welcome, hope we have some good debates. I'm only here to ask questions.