A modern day Caliphate - How realistic is it?

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I would like to see contributions from the likes of aamirsaab, Dawud_UK, kAding, Gossamer and obviously Thinker.
 
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A caliphate would be tricky to establish today because of the sunni/shia divide in addition to the many sects. I don't think muslims in an overall perspective would be able to decide on who should be part of the caliphate: we cannot even decide on the day of Eid - and that's a HOLY DAY!
 
"Hadhrat Huzaifa narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: Prophethood will remain among you as long as Allah wills. Then Caliphate (Khilafat) on the lines of Prophethood shall commence, and remain as long as Allah wills. Then corrupt/erosive monarchy would take place, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. After that, despotic kingship would emerge, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. Then, the Caliphate (Khilafat) shall come once again based on the precept of Prophethood."

The above hadith is from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal. Is it authentic?
 
I believe Islam would benefit from a Caliph in the style of the Pope, a single head who makes the final decision on which interpretation is correct and one that stays out of politics. At the moment there are so many ‘scholars’ and ‘sheiks’ giving their interpretation on what is and what isn’t that any Muslim with any viewpoint can find a scholar to agree with his interpretation of Islam. Of electing a Caliph will never happen, if the Muslim world can’t agree on a statement regarding the Israeli/Palestinian problem they’d never agree on who should be Caliph.
 
Yes that hadith is authentic

A modern day caliphate with how the muslims are at this present time- well there is a reason why its non existant atm and that is because of our own actions. the rulers arent to blame. it is all of us. Allah will not change our condition until we change ourselves. Having said that it doesnt mean as muslims we shouldnt strive to better ourselves and follow the shariah.
 
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i have 100% total faith and conviction in there being khilafa again as it is spoken of in sahih ahadith and is part of our deen.

anyone who says we dont need a khalif or shariah has committed kufr akbar and it is actually a major sin on all of us to not work towards this duty of establishing islamic rule.

remember the ottoman khilafa went wrong by allowing religious innovation and banning many technical innovations, the total opposite of how a khilafa should be run where matters of the deen are protected and mubah issues are left in the hands of the people as to whether they want them or not.

so to say you cannot have islamic rule now because the modern age is stupid, its like saying you cant have democracy because democracy is over 2500 years old so couldnt work today.
 
A modern day Caliphate - How realistic is it?
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To be honest... Not very, at the moment.

It's got nothing to do with Islamic systems of government and law, and everything to do with the general sense of disunity between Muslims globally.
 
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i have 100% total faith and conviction in there being khilafa again as it is spoken of in sahih ahadith and is part of our deen.

anyone who says we dont need a khalif or shariah has committed kufr akbar and it is actually a major sin on all of us to not work towards this duty of establishing islamic rule.

remember the ottoman khilafa went wrong by allowing religious innovation and banning many technical innovations, the total opposite of how a khilafa should be run where matters of the deen are protected and mubah issues are left in the hands of the people as to whether they want them or not.

so to say you cannot have islamic rule now because the modern age is stupid, its like saying you cant have democracy because democracy is over 2500 years old so couldnt work today.
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If what you say is correct where is he, why is there no Caliph?
 
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If what you say is correct where is he, why is there no Caliph?
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there are many historical reasons why the khilifa was destroyed, but ultimately the real reason behind it was the muslims become corrupted in worldly life and matters of our faith and belief so Allah allowed our enemies to overcome us so we could be purified again just as he did to nations previously.

but if you are looking for worldly reasons, the ottomans misinterpretted the religion, becomming more and more nationalistic, more and more corrupting the religion whilst holding back worldly progress in matters of technology and such like.

this meant they effectly were not able to hold back the french and british, amongst others who had long held a desire for the lands the muslims had and wanted to destroy islam as a system.
 
It is a must for the Muslim world today.What we need is unity.And from what ever nation or country one caliph can make this unity.Every region in every Muslim country has their own Imams.These imams can discuss about who will be the caliph.
 
It wont be the first time I've been wrong, but ever since I reverted, I have been under the impression that the next Caliphate will not hoppen until the coming of the Mehdi and that the Mehdi is the only remaining Caliph that there will be.
 
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It wont be the first time I've been wrong, but ever since I reverted, I have been under the impression that the next Caliphate will not hoppen until the coming of the Mehdi and that the Mehdi is the only remaining Caliph that there will be.
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would it suprise you to know the khilafa has been destroyed before in the past and then come about again?

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I hope that I dont break this discussion, but I would like to ask you people, why actually the last Caliphate, Ottoman, collapsed? What are your fact and opinions?
 
Amadeus85 said:
I hope that I dont break this discussion, but I would like to ask you people, why actually the last Caliphate, Ottoman, collapsed? What are your fact and opinions?
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I was hoping you would show up sooner or later. :D

Brother Dawud_UK has already dealt with this point if you read his posts in this thread...
 
Osman said:
I was hoping you would show up sooner or later. :D

Brother Dawud_UK has already dealt with this point if you read his posts in this thread...
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Okie dokie, so I will try to answer Your interesting question Osman - I have no idea right now. This is something like wondering if Manchester City wins Champions League soon. That may happen, but it would be very hard.
 
Woodrow said:
It wont be the first time I've been wrong, but ever since I reverted, I have been under the impression that the next Caliphate will not hoppen until the coming of the Mehdi and that the Mehdi is the only remaining Caliph that there will be.
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Salaam

I agree with the above -

peace
 
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Amadeus85 said:
I hope that I dont break this discussion, but I would like to ask you people, why actually the last Caliphate, Ottoman, collapsed? What are your fact and opinions?
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1 - Went to the first world war when it probably shouldnt have.

2 - rebel agents of the allied forces in arabia - eg lawrence of arabia who promised the arabs of independent state and convinced them to fight the Ottomans.

3 - too many attacks by too many nations (during the first world war)

4 - some say that the economy was in bad shape of the Ottomans - mix WW1 with that = disaster.

5 - on a religious note - time was up for the Ottomans - If you look at the sultans of the Ottoman empire after Sulieman the lawgiver you will see that most of leaders were not realy acting like leaders - Instead they just gave the job to the Vizers.

6 - Linked with 5 the Ulema (religous scholars) lost authority to the sultan.

I'm sure there there are many reasons to it too. - My opnion - too many attacks by too many people within and outside of the chaliphate.
 
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