Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

pritsinghs3 said:
Ok, I've read many posts of Guru Nanak being Muslim that was written by Muslims and many posts by Sikhs being angry and rejecting those posts. Well, my last name is "Singh" so you clearly know what I am.

Anyway I'm actually having a different approach to this. First of all, just to give a little introduction, sikhism came into India during the 1500's and Khalsa came in around the 1600's established by Guru Gobind Singh. As far as Monotheism goes (belief of one God) it was brought in India by the Muslims who came from Persia, Middle East, and Afghanistan.

Guru Nanak indeed was born in a Hindu family as a Hindu but however started to reject many aspects of it (beliefs, rituals, etc). Being around and being friends with many Muslims, he started to act like them, he started to read the Quran as well because it really caught his attention since it was very different than his own religion (Hinduism).

Let's take a moment to analyse this, if one person is used to doing something one way and all of a sudden he is exposed to doing it another way then obviously he will be curious and inquire about it even if he/she doesn’t like it, it's human nature.

For example, if you aren’t not friends with someone any more, and you don’t see them for a long time, if you meet someone who knows them, you're obviously going to ask about them.

Anyway, in this case he liked what he read, he learned how to read and write in Arabic as well. Not only did he read the Quran, he had read the Hindu scriptures as well. He had always rejected Hindu beliefs and customs however he never rejected Islamic customs. He had even gone to Mecca and performed Hajj, he had even stopped by Baghdad, stayed for 2 weeks, and performed the Islamic prayers there as well.

To be on the safe side I'm not going to say he was Muslim, but the facts say that since the incident of him coming out of the water, he had been chanting "Na koi hindu na muselmaan" and he also started to carry the Quran where ever he went, he also started to wear the Jubba (dressed like a Sufi).

It was then when he was rejected by many Hindus including his family, no one understood him. We don't realize what times he had faced, he started out as a runaway with some food, then he started to run out of food and started eating less, then he ran out of food completely and started to take milk from a cow if he saw one, until it came to a point where he starved risking his life. He could have just simply gave in to his father and said "Ok, I accept everything" but he didn't.

Anyway after coming back from Mecca he wore a robe that had Islamic writings all over it which is still kept at a Gurdwara in India. One thing that I want everyone to know is, GURU NANAK WAS NOT THE FOUNDER OF SIKHISM, FOR GOD SAKE THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB WASN'T EVEN FORMED UNTIL THE 3RD GURU.

During the 1st and 2nd Guru's time, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS SIKHISM, THERE WAS ONLY HINDUISM AND ISLAM, THAT IS A FACT!!!! SO I ASK WHAT RELIGION WAS GURU NANAK THEN REALLY???, IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT HE WASN'T CREMATED NOR BURIED.

I know what he was but it's better if people research, travel seven sea's and FIND OUT for themselves just like I did. Since Guru Nanak was a mystic sufi, just all the other mystic sufi's at the time, he wrote down all of his ideas in poetic form (they did this so people would actually take interest in them).

So people ask me, "then why aren't those people in the Guru Granth Sahib as well," well the answer to it is, they were. The main people whose writings were responsible for the formation of the Guru Granth Sahib were Baba Kabir, Baba Farid GanShaker, and Guru Nanak.

I mentioned 3 sufi's and 2/3 were PROVEN Muslims (Baba Kabir and Baba Farid). Then people love asking me this "well then there were other Sufi's during Nanak's time and after his time as well, how come those weren't included in the Granth?

Well yea that's right there was Baba Bulleh Shah, Baba Sultan Bahu, and Baba Shah Hussain. Well they weren't given much attention by Hindus because THEY WERE NOT HINDUS, Guru Nanak at a point in his life WAS A HINDU, that's why Guru Nanak caught their attention the most.

His writings along with Kabir's writings along with Farid's writings come together to be compiled into a book called "Guru Granth Sahib" which ended after the writings of the 9th Guru (Guru Teg Bahadour).

My basic message is this, obviously while compiling the Guru Granth Sahib, religion was not looked upon as how this Holy Book was to be written since Hindu’s, Muslims, and Sikhs have contributed to it. So with that said and done, I say that it IS A POSSIBILITY that Guru Nanak could have been a Muslim (don’t get angry, Sikhs) but that’s for every each individual to decide.

I’ve already proven that he was not a Sikh (since there WAS no Sikhism at the time). So, for the Muslims I would say “try not to put the Sikhs down” by coming up with some lies (like saying Guru Nanak was married to a Muslim Woman) and for the Sikhs I would say “Try not to let your pride get in the way, if you respect the Gurus then according to the the laws of the Guru Granth Sahib you have to accept the Muslim bhagats as well and Guru Nanak just COULD have been one.

It’s now just a matter of opinion since even during Guru Nanak’s leaving to the heavens was a suspense (not cremated no buried) maybe that was the whole purpose.
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The best and the only post worth reading in the entire thread
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pritsinghs3 said:
. My basic message is this, obviously while compiling the Guru Granth Sahib, religion was not looked upon as how this Holy Book was to be written since Hindu’s, Muslims, and Sikhs have contributed to it. So with that said and done, I say that it IS A POSSIBILITY that Guru Nanak could have been a Muslim (don’t get angry, Sikhs) but that’s for every each individual to decide.
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I don't really know how you can say he was Muslim when he was a firm believer in the concept of reincarnation and karma. He also believed in the concept that God is everywhere, which Muslims reject.
The reason why he admired the Islamic faith and accepted more of it's teachings was because of it's strong monotheism at the time, in comparison to the Hindu's who had been led far astray from their orginal Vedantic teachings of One God.
 
The best and the only post worth reading in the entire thread
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Whys this? because it helps glorify islam? I would have thought the best post and the only worth reading would be the most accurate? not just something that helps to pump up your own beliefs....

For Mr Singh..
No mate, ur last name being "singh" doesnt clearly state what u r, nor does ur undisclosed 'way of life'. from your post i cant tell u, u aint no sikh even if ur pretending to be.

All ur points have been covered in this thread. Id just be repeating everything all over. Believe what u want, if you are so desperate to claim Guru Nanak ji as your own, then follow his teachings.
 
Gangster No.1 said:
How did the gurus get there revelation? from god? seeked knowldge? where from?

wot is your ideology?

what came before god, what is after life?
what is the relevts of this life, how is god related 2 mankind?
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We are bunch of fools. We talk about The Lord who is so great that even all knowledge of this world put together could not describe Him.

I don't think most people even understand what exactly the revelation means. We could understand what it meant only if we had had revelation from The Lord.

If revelation means direct connection with The Lord, meaning The Lord hear you and then The Lord talks to you as well, then I have no reason to believe that anybody had revelation from The Lord...

Sure they were much more enlightened than ordinary people.

If nobody could create a religion that could ever go wrong, then how could they have revelation from something so perfect as The Lord Himself?

This is personal experience as being someone who used to believe in Sikhism. Sikhi is not about equality of all at all. People running Sikhism today still discriminate against non-Sikhs, even those Sikhs with short hair...

I can't say for sure but I have no reason to believe that Christians and Muslims discriminate against people who classify themselves as Christians and Muslims respectively in schools. But I know Sikhs do...
 
ultimate truth said:
Whys this? because it helps glorify islam? I would have thought the best post and the only worth reading would be the most accurate? not just something that helps to pump up your own beliefs....

For Mr Singh..
No mate, ur last name being "singh" doesnt clearly state what u r, nor does ur undisclosed 'way of life'. from your post i cant tell u, u aint no sikh even if ur pretending to be.

All ur points have been covered in this thread. Id just be repeating everything all over. Believe what u want, if you are so desperate to claim Guru Nanak ji as your own, then follow his teachings.
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I replied to this rubbish but it was deleted by that wahbi type Admin -- who cant even make up his mind about his own nick -- because I had tried to differentiate between us (the Hanafi type Muslim Sufis) and those "mystic" soofi friends of Guru Nanak and contributors to the Guru Garanth Sahib.
that helps to pump up your own beliefs....
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incorrect, my beliefs are not those of hindu and soofi founders of Sikhism!
 
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doorster said:
I replied to this rubbish but it was deleted by that wahbi type Admin -- who cant even make up his mind about his own nick -- because I had tried to differentiate between us (the Hanafi type Muslim Sufis) and those "mystic" soofi friends of Guru Nanak and contributors to the Guru Garanth Sahib.
incorrect, my beliefs are not those of hindu and soofi founders of Sikhism!
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BismiAllah ir Rahman ir Raheem
Wal AAasr
Inna al-Insana lafee Khusr
Illa Allatheena AmanoowaAAamiloo assalihati watawasaw bilHaqqiwatawasaw bisSabr

nice to see you brother.

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Gossamer skye said:
who in hell is nanak?
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he was a Hindu who wrote against Hindu caste system along with some mystic soofis, whose combined writings went on to form the book "Guru Garanth Sahib" which went on to become Sikhism's holy book at around the time of their third Guru

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YusufNoor said:
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BismiAllah ir Rahman ir Raheem
Wal AAasr
Inna al-Insana lafee Khusr
Illa Allatheena AmanoowaAAamiloo assalihati watawasaw bilHaqqiwatawasaw bisSabr

nice to see you brother.

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Ditto!
feeling is mutual, jazakAllakhair wasalam alaikum :)
 
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doorster said:
he was a Hindu who wrote against Hindu caste system along with some mystic soofis, whose combined writings went on to form the book "Guru Garanth Shabib" which went on to become Sikhism's holy book at around the time of their third Guru

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Jazaka Allah khyran akhi, I certainly gained nothing from this thread, I was rather impressed with the sikh fellow' swaggering show of courage, that I simply had to ask! :D

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Last year there was an International gathering of Sikhs in Nanded, Maharashtra, India, and it was said that their 10th book will be opened, which was kept unopened for 100 years since it was written by one of their Gurus. I want to know what was the outcome of it, and what was written in that book, which was kept hidden for 100 years.
 
AabiruSabeel said:
Last year there was an International gathering of Sikhs in Nanded, Maharashtra, India, and it was said that their 10th book will be opened, which was kept unopened for 100 years since it was written by one of their Gurus. I want to know what was the outcome of it, and what was written in that book, which was kept hidden for 100 years.
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This is a few months old, so had to bump it up.

Not heard of anything of the sort, can you link me up to it? There has been no book that's been left unopened for a 100 years. :hmm:
 
Greetings,

In reference to the deleted posts - let's try to keep the argumentative posts out as we end up getting nowhere.
 
Those who are fond of Guru Nanak Dev Ji can see him and talk to him by the jaap of Mool mantar. Similarly Guru arjun dev ji can be seen by the meditation on "tati vau " mantra
 
Salaam/Peace

indian said:
Those who are fond of Guru Nanak Dev Ji can see him and talk to him
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Do u know any of them ? Pl. tell them to ask if Guru Nanak was a Muslim or not . Also , Muslims don't believe that holy Kaba moved around his feet. May be , Nanak ji can explain the matter to Hindus ?
 
Muslim Woman said:
Salaam/Peace



Do u know any of them ? Pl. tell them to ask if Guru Nanak was a Muslim or not . Also , Muslims don't believe that holy Kaba moved around his feet. May be , Nanak ji can explain the matter to Hindus ?
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Actually the kaba incident is a bit different than what is popularly believed.
What actually happened was that Guru nanak dev ji was sleeping with his feet towards kaba. One of the guards came and asked guru nanak dev ji to move his feet away from kaba. Guru nanak dev ji asked what was the reason of that. The guard said that you are keeping your feet towards god. Then guru nanak dev ji said that if that is the case then move my feet to the side where there is no god. Listening to this , the guard was moved and he finally did not move guru nanak dev ji's feet.
This is the accurate incident in my opinion.

And at the time of birth guru nanak dev ji was a hindu. Born to mehta kalu (a khatri hindu).

By the way i haven't ever talked to guru nanak dev ji or guru arjun dev ji but i know people who do talk to them. I recite a different mantra.
 
Fishman said:
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The fact that so many Sikh sites have this anti-Islamic format is a bit annoying to me, given that the two faiths are very similar in some respects.
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The problem is some muslims set up a site called http://sikhs2islam.com/ which spouted lies, just read the conversions stories on their for yourself and make up your own mind if they are true or not

in response to this a site called http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/ was set up to iron out any misconceptions.

and its not that its an anti-islamic format, if someone is spouting lies about sikhism or even islam for that matter its our duty that the truth be told.

many muslims beleive guru nanak was a muslim just because he went to makkah, and people beleive it, he also visited many buddist and hindu religious places, does this make him buddist and hindu aswell??

there have been many reasons on the 2 sites http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/ and http://searchsikhism.com/islam.html but still some people choose not to beleive it.

i read on a website Dr. Zakir Naik has been asked on 3 occasions to visit punjab for a conference about sikhism and islam, for some reason a date has not been set up. He compares islam to hinduism and christanity on many occasions but I have yet to see him do a talk on sikhism.
 
suki233 said:
The problem is some muslims set up a site called http://sikhs2islam.com/ which spouted lies, just read the conversions stories on their for yourself and make up your own mind if they are true or not

in response to this a site called http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/ was set up to iron out any misconceptions.

and its not that its an anti-islamic format, if someone is spouting lies about sikhism or even islam for that matter its our duty that the truth be told.

many muslims beleive guru nanak was a muslim just because he went to makkah, and people beleive it, he also visited many buddist and hindu religious places, does this make him buddist and hindu aswell??

there have been many reasons on the 2 sites http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/ and http://searchsikhism.com/islam.html but still some people choose not to beleive it.

i read on a website Dr. Zakir Naik has been asked on 3 occasions to visit punjab for a conference about sikhism and islam, for some reason a date has not been set up. He compares islam to hinduism and christanity on many occasions but I have yet to see him do a talk on sikhism.
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I've been on sikhs2Islam a bit as well, and they are also very annoying.

I've read some things about Guru Nanak, and it is pretty obvious that he was a very good man. No wonder different religions want to claim him. Muslims claim him to convert the Sikhs, and Hindus claim him because of petty nationalism, it seems.
 

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