Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

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And the topic is....
Muslims vote against xenophobes in EU elections coming this week.I think that they should, I have no sympathy to racists, neo nazi, who only bring shame to the conservative and right wing groups.
 
Zafran said:
Thats not actually true the Romans didnt give citizenship to everybody - people had to revolt against them - they also had grades of citizenship - the Greeks were far worse also.

why is it lower becasue Muslims have to pay far more - Sadaqa, Zakat, normal tax etc

the non muslims only pay Jizya - thats it.

Yes your right the shariah was favoured Just like certain agendas or supprted in any civilisation/nation

All i'm saying is that the muslims were the most tolerant for 1000 years - europe doesnt have that history - its preety modern for them - The muslims could be the most tolerant once again.
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They did, I don't know which emepror was it, but every free man in the empire no matter of what ethnic background was granted citizenship. And people revolted against the Ottomans all the time too.
Yes, but sometimes certain taxes are higher than others.
Yep, and i hope you understand why I want Europe kept the way it is nowand not turn it into an islamic state.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
They did, I don't know which emepror was it, but every free man in the empire no matter of what ethnic background was granted citizenship. And people revolted against the Ottomans all the time too.
Yes, but sometimes certain taxes are higher than others.
Yep, and i hope you understand why I want Europe kept the way it is nowand not turn it into an islamic state.
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There is no such thing as Islamic state - and the Romans had grades of citizenship - newly conquerd people were at the lowest as they were not truested while the old guard was on the top. No i dont understand why you dont want Islamic governance - your picking and choosing - look at teh whole pitcure its far better
 
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Amadeus85 said:
And the topic is....
Muslims vote against xenophobes in EU elections coming this week.I think that they should, I have no sympathy to racists, neo nazi, who only bring shame to the conservative and right wing groups.
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The BNP is out, but there's also UKIP, they claim to be moderate, non-racist and they oppose immigration as well as the EU.
 
Amadeus85 said:
And the topic is....
Muslims vote against xenophobes in EU elections coming this week.I think that they should, I have no sympathy to racists, neo nazi, who only bring shame to the conservative and right wing groups.
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ok ... but who drove it of topic?
was it this >> http://www.islamicboard.com/world-a...e-keep-out-extremist-parties.html#post1159701

or maybe this reply below took it to where it isat now?
Amadeus85 said:
Well actually if I was a Brittish I would prefer muslims there not to vote, neither integrate or participate.
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Whatsthepoint said:
I figured it was the jewish law, but which law specifically?
And do you think its fair to expel an entire people because some were traitors etc? Even if it was their law.
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Its there law and they wanted to be judged by it so they were - thats preety fair. They accepted it too.
 
Zafran said:
In the commentries its well known.
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Ok.
funny, i've just realized the hwdithe I posted were no the ones I was referring to earlier.
Here they are:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ismail ibn Abi Hakim that he heard Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz say, "One of the last things that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said was, 'May Allah fight the jews and the christians. They took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration . Two deens shall not co-exist in the land of the Arabs.' " - Malik's Muwatta, Book 45, Number 45.5.17

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula."

Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for information about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had said, 'Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,' and he therefore expelled the jews from Khaybar." - Malik's Muwatta, Book 45, Number 45.5.18

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: people of two different religions would not inherit from one another. - Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 18, Number 2905

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288:

Narrated Said bin Jubair:

Ibn 'Abbas said, "Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!" Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground . Then he said, "On Thursday the illness of Allah's Apostle was aggravated and he said, "Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something written to you after which you will never go astray." The people (present there) differed in this matter and people should not differ before a prophet. They said, "Allah's Apostle is seriously sick.' The Prophet said, "Let me alone, as the state in which I am now, is better than what you are calling me for." The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them." I forgot the third (order)" (Ya'qub bin Muhammad said, "I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, 'It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yama-ma and Yemen." Ya'qub added, "And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama.")
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Ok.
funny, i've just realized the hwdithe I posted were no the ones I was referring to earlier.
Here they are:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ismail ibn Abi Hakim that he heard Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz say, "One of the last things that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said was, 'May Allah fight the jews and the christians. They took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration . Two deens shall not co-exist in the land of the Arabs.' " - Malik's Muwatta, Book 45, Number 45.5.17

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula."

Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for information about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had said, 'Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,' and he therefore expelled the jews from Khaybar." - Malik's Muwatta, Book 45, Number 45.5.18

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: people of two different religions would not inherit from one another. - Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 18, Number 2905

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288:

Narrated Said bin Jubair:

Ibn 'Abbas said, "Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!" Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground . Then he said, "On Thursday the illness of Allah's Apostle was aggravated and he said, "Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something written to you after which you will never go astray." The people (present there) differed in this matter and people should not differ before a prophet. They said, "Allah's Apostle is seriously sick.' The Prophet said, "Let me alone, as the state in which I am now, is better than what you are calling me for." The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them." I forgot the third (order)" (Ya'qub bin Muhammad said, "I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, 'It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yama-ma and Yemen." Ya'qub added, "And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama.")
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Hmmm no Bukhari or Muslim for the first hadiths - Need to know which pagans they actually were and what they did - the context of the hadith - like who were the foreign delegates and why give gifts to them.
 
even though it's interesting to see you guys debate.

but can you people stay on topic please...

why don't you guys open up a thread about this? : )
 
Güven said:
even though it's interesting to see you guys debate.

but can you people stay on topic please...

why don't you guys open up a thread about this? : )
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Eh, no, all this was a product of my procrastination, I'm gonna actually learn now.
I've grown to like Zafran though, his replies are quick and consice.:thumbs_up
 

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