Where are the "New Atheism" prophets?

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Ali_008 said:
Well I've seen criticism for Zakir Naik but its the first time I've come across someone who accusses,the exemplary Harun Yahya, of falsehood. The man dedicated his entire life in various studies just to prove that Qur'an comes from God and even Zakir Naik's efforts have been no less. Its absolutely obnoxious to see such Human Reformers being criticised. Anyway, I think we've already swayed from the topic
I know this is off-topic but of course Harun Yahya can be accussed of falsehood, anyone who writes a book rejecting evolution which is a widely accepted scientific fact and has been debunked time and time again. There is no reason why he cannot be immune to this.
 
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I know this is off-topic but of course Harun Yahya can be accussed of falsehood, anyone who writes a book rejecting evolution which is a widely accepted scientific fact and has been debunked time and time again. There is no reason why he cannot be immune to this.

STOP!! RIGHT THERE. You must be the first person ever to use the words "fact" and "evolution" together. If you're here to advocate Evolution then answer this. Have you ever heard of anything called Fact(s) of Evolution? What you're referring is known by the name of "Theory" of Evolution throughout the world. Read that again, "theory" not "fact". And as we all know a theory is something which is based on assumptions. :)
 
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STOP!! RIGHT THERE. You must be the first person ever to use the words "fact" and "evolution" together. If you're here to advocate Evolution then answer this. Have you ever heard of anything called Fact(s) of Evolution? What you're referring is known by the name of "Theory" of Evolution throughout the world. Read that again, "theory" not "fact". And as we all know a theory is something which is based on assumptions. :)

I don't want to strecth this out in this thread, but evolution is FACT. You are mistaking evolution with the THEORY of evolution which describes how it happens. Take the comparison with gravity. Gravity is fact. The THEORY of gravitational attraction is one of the explanations used to describe the phenomena. Understood now, science lesson over.
 
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^^
He's right, you know. They don't just let any crackpot hypothesis become a theory. It's not the same as the layman term "theory."
Do not let the semantics fool you.

Back to the earlier topic: Morality came from prophets? From God?


What if God merely acknowledges morality, and he did not create it?
 
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Let me try to reset this topic.

If you look at atheist celebrities like Bill Maher who call for atheists to unite against religion just like Islam calls Muslims to unite against polytheism, you wonder why there has not been someone who could unite atheists just like Maher wanted. People like Dawkins call for atheist uprisings but there is an absence of atheist leaders to lead that uprising. Why is that?

As you can see from Gubbleknucker's immediate response to my first question, he said the lack of leaders is due to persecution. But religions like Islam were forged in the face of persecution.
 
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Let me try to reset this topic.

If you look at atheist celebrities like Bill Maher who call for atheists to unite against religion just like Islam calls Muslims to unite against polytheism, you wonder why there has not been someone who could unite atheists just like Maher wanted. People like Dawkins call for atheist uprisings but there is an absence of atheist leaders to lead that uprising. Why is that?

It is because most atheists don't seriously oppose religion.

One of my dearest friends said it was kind of like the annoying fly that isn't even worth the effort of swatting.

You enjoy talking to your fairy, and I don't think anyone has the right to take that away from you.
 
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Indeed, although I think I'll respond one more time, more in hope than anticipation of a sensible response. Let's take your latest one point at a time, although perhaps not in order.



I am not a self-proclaimed expert on anything, let alone Confucianism. I am, however, a Buddhist and have been for over twenty years, and have studied Buddhism in both academic and monastic environments. I humbly suggest I might have picked up just a few things beyond your 'knowledge' of the subject, which seems to have been picked up from reading the back of a matchbox. Of course, I 'asserted' nothing of the sort... it's yet another product of your strawman factory.

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I am impressed that your knowledge of Confucianism extends to the dates of Confucius life! However, back to reality - are you really claiming that a system of moral conduct and good government that influences billions and puts them on the 'right' moral track could exist on the basis of the worship of spirits, souls and ancestors, but not without it?!! If so, how do reconcile this with your first post? If not, what is your point?

I see I wasn't clear enough. I am objecting to your use of Confucianism and Buddhism because many sects have infused them with spiritual aspects. As per atheism, gods don't exist so how could spirits?

Of course I understand the point you are attempting to make, it is both simple and simplistic. It just happens, in my opinion, to be wrong. I'm not going to go over why - again - as that is obviously pointless. Whereas other posters might present a carefully considered case opposing that opinion, all we see from you are puerile whines of "drop it" and "off topic". You are like a small child who prefers to stick fingers in ears and chant 'la, la, la' rather than hear something they don't like.

No. The only one childish here is you. See below for a more precise restatement of my initial question. Moreover, I asked you to drop those things because they were irrelevant to my initial post. But due to a lack of clarity on my part, you are arguing about something which I didn't intend to stray to. If I am a child, you are a rabid dog who prefers to froth at the mouth instead of discussing things in a civilized manner.


I could only gasp in disbelief at this. I have already stated that I cannot put up much of a case for religion not being necessary - although I don't happen to believe it is. But, your claim was not for the necessity of religion, but for God and prophets. I really shouldn't have to tell you what your own claim is!! Whatever 'supernatural elements' may, or may not, exist or have existed in Buddhism or Confucianism are totally irrelevant; they do not extend to a monetheistic God or His prophets.

I can only gasp in disbelief at your dramatics. My claim was not an accurate representation of my point which is why so much confusion exists here. See below for a clarification. Also, like I said before, I object to your using philosophies/religions which have spiritual elements to them as atheistic examples when atheists deny anything metaphysical.


As I have explained no such 'contradiction' exists (stick those fingers in your ears again), and any perception of same is solely the result of your own ignorance. You simply do not know what you are talking about. That might not be obvious to muslims but it is painfully obvious to Buddhists, this one at least. With that in mind;

I know exactly what I am talking about. The only one lacking in knowledge here is the one who happens to lack manners also.

I can only suggest you follow your own advice. Whether you do or not please have the courtesy to keep such arrogant drivel to yourself in future. Attempting to patronise is bad enough at the best of times, but doing so when you are as totally out of your depth as you are is the act of a **** . Fill that in yourself.

The only arrogant drivel is the one you are spewing. Like a mad dog you argue about a point that I didn't mean to bring up, heap insult upon insult, and litter your "argument" with condescension. Either get some manners or keep your argument to yourself because I debate with people not animals.

See above. But try not to lose your head.
 
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It is because most atheists don't seriously oppose religion.

One of my dearest friends said it was kind of like the annoying fly that isn't even worth the effort of swatting.

You enjoy talking to your fairy, and I don't think anyone has the right to take that away from you.

Really? According to your first post, it was because of persecution.
 
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Greetings,

Hilarious thread. :D

Classic example of AKK just not getting it.

Peace
 
Re: Where are the atheist "prophets"?

Greetings,

Hilarious thread. :D

Classic example of AKK just not getting it.

Peace

Do tell. Besides my admitted confusion between "new atheism" and atheism. The only thing really hilarious, is the melodramatics of the atheists responding. :D

1. Your overarching points were that atheism is not a unified body of thought. I know that. But was arguing against New Athiesm. Specifically the type that wants to abolish religion and is militant. And why there has never been a leader to do that.
 
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Greetings,

It's all been explained to you so many times, what would be the point of me attempting it as well?

The only thing really hilarious, is the melodramatics of the atheists responding. :D

I think it's more likely to be just sheer amazement at your refusal to even try to understand what's being put in front of you.

Peace
 
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Greetings,


It's all been explained to you so many times, what would be the point of me attempting it as well?



I think it's more likely to be just sheer amazement at your refusal to even try to understand what's being put in front of you.

Peace

To be honest, I was trying to do a paper and respond to whatever caught my eye as I skimmed over some posts quickly. Now that I know specifically what I was referring to, this thread can go somewhere without me not paying attention and your cohorts (Tumble) frothing at the mouth because of it.

This is the atheism I was referring to

New Atheism as described by a subscriber involves: intolerance of ignorance, myth and superstition; disregard for the tolerance of religion. Indoctrination of logic, reason and the advancement of a naturalistic worldview

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism
 
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My claim was not an accurate representation of my point which is why so much confusion exists here.

I know exactly what I am talking about.

Now that I know specifically what I was referring to

I've heard you can actually die laughing. :statisfie I wonder if that's true?


I'm sure we all now understand that, from the word go, you were actually talking about these 'new atheists' rather than atheists in general. Ahem. The answer to your question, though, is still the same as has been given several times before. The vast majority of atheists have no desire at all to 'unite against religion', and hence no need to find and follow leaders to help them do it. They just do not believe in God themselves and don't want the religion of others forced down their throats particularly in such forms as civil law and education.

I hope the paper went well.
 
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Really? According to your first post, it was because of persecution.

You're the one who brought it to modern times by bringing in Dawkins.
I explained one of the reasons why Dawkins has not started a major movement against religion.

Now that secular states exist, people are free to believe what they want. I would be lying if I said there was any way I could believe (besides the direct manifestation of a deity, of course).

Now that we are free, and the pious no longer oppress us, there is no longer a justification for the use of force against religion.
 
So this guy WAS purposefully being obtuse and ignoring everything we wrote about what atheism is and what atheists think and believe? And instead had his mind closed at the start that the only atheists he wanted to think about are people like Dawkins and Maher?

What an immense waste of our time. I think I'll bookmark this thread and link to it everytime AKK tries to ask a question, to show that nobody should waste any time on him.
 
So this guy WAS purposefully being obtuse and ignoring everything we wrote about what atheism is and what atheists think and believe? And instead had his mind closed at the start that the only atheists he wanted to think about are people like Dawkins and Maher?

What an immense waste of our time. I think I'll bookmark this thread and link to it everytime AKK tries to ask a question, to show that nobody should waste any time on him.

Purposefully? Naw. Stuff got in the way of paying attention to it. Mind closed? Nope. I was talking about one thing, you the other. I already said I udnerstood atheism was not a unified body and couldn't be united like I was suggesting.

But you can bookmark whatever you want. The only opinion you would invalidate by doing so is yours when you refuse to answer my questions and proceed on character assassination.


I'll just paste this link under your link!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination

or even this!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
 
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I've heard you can actually die laughing. :statisfie I wonder if that's true?


I'm sure we all now understand that, from the word go, you were actually talking about these 'new atheists' rather than atheists in general. Ahem. The answer to your question, though, is still the same as has been given several times before. The vast majority of atheists have no desire at all to 'unite against religion', and hence no need to find and follow leaders to help them do it. They just do not believe in God themselves and don't want the religion of others forced down their throats particularly in such forms as civil law and education.

I hope the paper went well.

You can. I almost did by seeing how many of you were getting your pants in a knot by this thread.

In the context of New Atheists, and not the "vast majority" please.
 
The sudden change of the thread name only goes to show ... well... I'll not say it. What a waste of time this guy has been for us all.
 
Pygo, you gota think. You're on an Islamic forum and sometimes, people think they've wasted time on others too.
 
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