The true religion.

Following my whims as you call them can also be refered to as instinctual.
My awareness however allows me to over ride my whims as you call them.
Phrases of fanaticism, I didnt think it would come across as that, The devils know their own i guess.

Awareness is knowing the truth of things, the truth is vvery simple. consciousness is awareness, higher consciousness....well that speaks for its self. That takes dedication and patience, and knowing thy self.

We all know the prophet meditated, he increased his perception/ consciousness/ awareness. And awareness is knowning the truth of things.
Something we all should do, being more aware of ourselves.
 
being aware of self is great indeed, it falls in the range and scope of what is perceived.. but what is perceived and what is, differ!...

religion is an institution.. self-awareness is an individual affair...

all the best
 
First of all, not all of those "religions" believe in God.

Secondly, even fewer of those on the list believe in an afterlife. Some believe in only heaven, others in heaven and hell, and others believe in some other concept like reincarnation or nirvana or something similar of the sort.

Thirdly, even fewer than that are those religions that are exclusive (ie, you must believe in them to get to heaven).

I believe the only two religions you have left after narrowing the list down are Christianity and Islam out of the world's major religions or "religious philosophies".
 
rpwelton said:
First of all, not all of those "religions" believe in God.

Secondly, even fewer of those on the list believe in an afterlife. Some believe in only heaven, others in heaven and hell, and others believe in some other concept like reincarnation or nirvana or something similar of the sort.

Thirdly, even fewer than that are those religions that are exclusive (ie, you must believe in them to get to heaven).
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I stated the bulk of this in my original post

I believe the only two religions you have left after narrowing the list down are Christianity and Islam out of the world's major religions or "religious philosophies".
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So you're saying that only the religions that offer a threat of some kind to the nonbelievers really count as religion?

well....

What about Judaism?

The Sabbateans believe in one god ( I don't understand why this is a criteria for whether a religion is a religion, however) and an exclusive afterlife.

In the Order of the Invisible Pink Unicorn:rollseyes, the nonbelievers are crushed beneath Her golden hooves.

In the Mayan traditions the world will literally end if the gods are not worshiped.

Furthermore, there is a chasm in between the divisions of those faiths that fit your criteria.
Lutheranism/Catholicism
Bahá'í Faith/Islam
 
Gubbleknucker said:
I stated the bulk of this in my original post


So you're saying that only the religions that offer a threat of some kind to the nonbelievers really count as religion?

well....

What about Judaism?

The Sabbateans believe in one god ( I don't understand why this is a criteria for whether a religion is a religion, however) and an exclusive afterlife.

In the Order of the Invisible Pink Unicorn:rollseyes, the nonbelievers are crushed beneath Her golden hooves.

In the Mayan traditions the world will literally end if the gods are not worshiped.

Furthermore, there is a chasm in between the divisions of those faiths that fit your criteria.
Lutheranism/Catholicism
Bahá'í Faith/Islam
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Slowly your reducing the religions down.

What about Judaism?
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Jews believe that you dont have to be jew to achieve "salvation" anyway. Heavily exclusive religion.

The others are near to exitinction or are extinct

Bahai realy doesnt have a great a bases anyway -

Lutheranism/Catholicism
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The root to salvation is similar with the above.
 
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Zafran said:
Slowly you're reducing the religions down.
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No, I'm not.

I don't see why the criteria of an exclusive afterlife should be applied beyond Pascal's wager, which doesn't qualify as belief, anyway.

What if there is a mighty pig god?
Most of the non-Muslims (and non-Jews) would be just as bad off as they would be if Allah was real.
However, He would not appreciate your view of Him as filthy, and would probably punish you, as well.

The only people who would be spared would be the vegetarian atheists, unless the pig god wanted the humans to somehow discover his existence without any evidence.

I've eaten a lot of bacon, and this pig god is probably very displeased with me.
 
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Gubbleknucker said:
I stated the bulk of this in my original post


So you're saying that only the religions that offer a threat of some kind to the nonbelievers really count as religion?

well....

What about Judaism?

The Sabbateans believe in one god ( I don't understand why this is a criteria for whether a religion is a religion, however) and an exclusive afterlife.

In the Order of the Invisible Pink Unicorn:rollseyes, the nonbelievers are crushed beneath Her golden hooves.

In the Mayan traditions the world will literally end if the gods are not worshiped.

Furthermore, there is a chasm in between the divisions of those faiths that fit your criteria.
Lutheranism/Catholicism
Bahá'í Faith/Islam
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Judaism nowadays says that you don't have to be a Jew to go to heaven (you just have to adhere to the 7 Noah-tide laws). This is one of the reasons why Jews no longer proselytize their faith.

As for the Sabbateans, this is an offshoot cult from Judaism, so it's natural to see many of the older Judaic teachings present within it (when Judaism used to be an exclusive religion.

The Mayans believed in cycles of time. As for the world being destroyed after the gods are no longer worshipped: what does that mean? Not a whole lot is known about their religion beyond that.

Nice try with the pink unicorn thing; basically it's just a satire of religion in general.

Regarding the choosing of various sects within Christianity and Islam (and by the way, Baha'ism is not a sect of Islam, but its own separate religion), it makes the most sense to see what was practiced at the time of the Messenger of that religion according to scripture and traditions.

Thus, for Islam it makes most sense to look at the life of Muhammad and what he and his companions practiced. Any acts of worship or belief that they did not take part in, is not considered an authentic part of the religion.

Likewise for Jesus.

Anyways, the reason why exclusivity matters is because if a religion is inclusive, then who cares if you believe in it or not? If a religion doesn't have an afterlife, then again, why should you need to believe in it? If a religion doesn't even believe in God, then of course you wouldn't need to believe in that religion because salvation is a moot point.

So you can see how we can most easily reduce that list down to Christianity and Islam.
 
Gubbleknucker said:
Again, that's just Pascal's wager...
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Only if you choose not to look at evidence.

Most people assume that God can in no way be proven or that there is no such thing as "evidence" for a religion.

This is largely due to the influence of Christianity. While I don't want to get into a tangent here and would rather not start debating about Christianity, it basically stems from the notion that you really just need to have faith. In Christianity, there is no emphasis on knowledge or evidence about God; it's really just about believing.

Islam approaches it from an entirely different angle. It says you need knowledge about God before you can have faith. As Muslims we believe that there is so much evidence out there for not only the existence of God, but for Islam as a religion.

A person does need faith, but it's not blind faith. It's faith based upon sound reasoning, logic and evidences.
 
Gubbleknucker said:
No, I'm not.

I don't see why the criteria of an exclusive afterlife should be applied beyond Pascal's wager, which doesn't qualify as belief, anyway.

What if there is a mighty pig god?
Most of the non-Muslims (and non-Jews) would be just as bad off as they would be if Allah was real.
However, He would not appreciate your view of Him as filthy, and would probably punish you, as well.

The only people who would be spared would be the vegetarian atheists, unless the pig god wanted the humans to somehow discover his existence without any evidence.

I've eaten a lot of bacon, and this pig god is probably very displeased with me.
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Theres very little warning on that - But the warning By the God of Abhrham pbuh are many. Its up to you turn away.
 
I tried to trap the tooth fairy when I was little.
I needed proof of her existence, as I suspected that there were other explanations for the money that I found under the pillow.
This is how I view the non-threatening religious faiths.

Put fear in the mix, and you discover what I did to Santa Clause.

I didn't want that creepy old man coming in my house! I didn't care whether it would get me presents. I blocked up the chimney and got my parents to take down all the lights!

This was when I was three years old...
 
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Gubbleknucker said:
I tried to trap the tooth fairy when I was little.
I needed proof of her existence, as I suspected that there were other explanations for the money that I found under the pillow.
This is how I view the non-threatening religious faiths.

Put fear in the mix, and you discover what I did to Santa Clause.

I didn't want that creepy old man coming in my house! I didn't care whether it would get me presents. I blocked up the chimney and got my parents to take down all the lights!

This was when I was three years old...
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First off; God does not equate to Santa or Tooth fairy. Apples and orange argument.

Second of all, you keep ignoring what religion has to offer, specifically Islam: legal systems, inter-banking relationships, economical theories and practical solutions to TODAYS problems; animal welfare; warfare; medical; scientific; social and psychological.

All of those are covered by Islam; your methodology of comparing God/Religion to Santa and Tooth fairy is very oversimplified if not downright wrong.
 
Gubbleknucker said:
I tried to trap the tooth fairy when I was little.
I needed proof of her existence, as I suspected that there were other explanations for the money that I found under the pillow.
This is how I view the non-threatening religious faiths.

Put fear in the mix, and you discover what I did to Santa Clause.

I didn't want that creepy old man coming in my house! I didn't care whether it would get me presents. I blocked up the chimney and got my parents to take down all the lights!

This was when I was three years old...
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You think you're on the truth simply because certain stories were told to you as a child, which don't even make logical sense. Then due to these stories, you make a sweeping generalisation that everything else is false which doesn't fit in with your paradigm. Hence its a logically flawed argument and subjective.

Believing in God is more than that, many intelligent people come to the belief in God simply because its logically plausible and is the best explanation of the universe and its precision around us.
 
Sob7an Allah.. are we humoring the derisions of atheists now?

[SIZE=-1][53:29] Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][ 53:30] That is as far as knowledge will reach them. Verily thy Lord knoweth best those who stray from His Path, and He knoweth best those who receive guidance.[/SIZE]
 
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You think you're on the truth simply because certain stories were told to you as a child, which don't even make logical sense. Then due to these stories, you make a sweeping generalisation that everything else is false which doesn't fit in with your paradigm. Hence its a logically flawed argument and subjective.

Believing in God is more than that, many intelligent people come to the belief in God simply because its logically plausible and is the best explanation of the universe and its precision around us.
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"Believing in God is more than that, many intelligent people come to the belief in God simply because its logically plausible and is the best explanation of the "

Could you list some please , otherwise some may feel that this statement is a type of generalisation
 
let's see
there is Dr. Jeffrey Lang
Dr. Dr. Laurence B. Brown, MD

Dr. Hoffman

and here is a whole bunch of videos to make your search easier..

A German Physician and His Wife Converted to Islam

YouTube - A German Physician and His Wife Converted to Islam

Science students turn to islam :

YouTube - Canadian Science student Revert find peace & logic in Islam


Czech and European Scientists Revert to Islam

YouTube - Czech Scientist Reverts to Islam


Scientist Converts/Reverts to Islam after Studying Qur'an

YouTube - Scientist Converts/Reverts to Islam after Studying Qur'an

Scientists testify to islam with islamic proof

YouTube - scientists testify to islam with islamic proof

Western Scientists Embracing Islam

YouTube - Western Scientists Embracing Islam

Yusuf Estes - Science proves Quran is from Allah 1/7- Watch all 7 parts

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h_u5bkXHuJE


Prof. of Mathematics (Ex-Atheist) on Accepting Islam 1/3

YouTube - Prof. of Mathematics (Ex-Atheist) on Accepting Islam 1/3

Prof. of Mathematics (Ex-Atheist) on Accepting Islam 2/3

YouTube - Prof. of Mathematics (Ex-Atheist) on Accepting Islam 2/3


Prof. of Mathematics (Ex-Atheist) on Accepting Islam 3/3

YouTube - Prof. of Mathematics (Ex-Atheist) on Accepting Islam 3/3


Christian Professor converts to Islam

YouTube - Christian Professor converts to Islam

Dr.Webber from England converts to ISLAM

YouTube - Dr.Webber from England converts to ISLAM

What Scientists Said About Quran !!!A MUST SEE 4 EVERYONE!!!

YouTube - What Scientists Said About Quran !!!A MUST SEE 4 EVERYONE!!!

British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM

YouTube - British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM
 
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barrio79 said:
"Believing in God is more than that, many intelligent people come to the belief in God simply because its logically plausible and is the best explanation of the "

Could you list some please , otherwise some may feel that this statement is a type of generalisation
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Intelligent people refers to people from all fields of life, throughout history and even in the present.


Believing in God isn't a scientific issue only, it involves way more than that. Many who affirm their belief in God agree that they don't use science to argue in favour of His existence.
 
I was not saying that religion was exactly equal to a belief in the tooth fairy.

I was just saying that I am obviously a born skeptic.


Who are you to question Allah's wisdom in making me this way?:bump1:
 
Gubbleknucker said:
I was not saying that religion was exactly equal to a belief in the tooth fairy.

I was just saying that I am obviously a born skeptic.


Who are you to question Allah's wisdom in making me this way?:bump1:
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Being a skeptic is one thing, denying facts or the most plausible conclusions when they come to you is a sign of arrogance.


Allah gave you the choice to believe or disbelieve, but you will be held accountable for your ownself on Judgment Day.
 
"Being a skeptic is one thing, denying facts or the most plausible conclusions when they come to you is a sign of arrogance."

this may well be true but it does not exactly specify who are the deny-ers , perhaps it means all those who deny the power of the original greek deities or the dreamtime stories of aboriginal peoples
 

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