Isthe bible is wrong?.....

[GreyKode]

Can you show me,where Jesus orders to kill somebody or to make him a slave? You will not find it,because he never did.You disgrace yourself by this your nazi-like speaking,that what you`ve just written,so I don`t need to add more.

Dear Jenny, no muslim would ever dare accuse prophet Jesus(pbuh) with anything bad, he is highly respected in Islam, in fact all prophets are, prophet muhammad(pbuh) gave an example of himself in comparison to the rest of the prophets as the example of a beautiful house missing one single final stone, and that he is that stone.
If you feel good about the bible then no one can change your perception of it, but since you came to an islamic forum you have to understand that our belief as muslims is that the bible does not contain the original teachings of prophet jesus(pbuh).

 

[AntiKarateKid]

And Muslims are always innocent victims.They do absolutely nothing wrong,they are all saints,that`s what you want to say? Can you show me,where Jesus orders to kill somebody or to make him a slave? You will not find it,because he never did.You disgrace yourself by this your nazi-like speaking,that what you`ve just written,so I don`t need to add more.

Oh be quiet. Jesus, like Noah, never had an centralized following and never had to defend himself against people who made war on them.

Muhammad, like Moses and other old testament Prophets, had to engage in war to defend themselves and their land.

Everyone had a different role. So get real.

You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new. Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 1

"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1


31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.


Jesus is God according to you? God ordered war as shown above. Therefore Jesus ordered it. There is more if you want. Checkmate?

 

[Gubbleknucker]

Of course the bible is wrong.

I particularly like the "I love you" rainbow after the pan-species genocidal flood...
which is used as a children's story, no less.

 

[جوري]

The truth is,that Muslims are unable to explain in the convincing way,why The Bible is false,because there`s simply no sensible explanation.l.

Three web pages of voluminous biblical texts, scholarly reviews of later added passages not found in early apocrypha and christian events acting on such text isn't convincing? I think it is the comfortable response to choose but it isn't based on a factual discussion, and it is fine indeed, just so long as you don't accuse other members of not having read or having been.. many of the folks on this forum are actual converts from Christianity and I have personally attended four painful years of catholic school where ironically unlike my christian counterparts I received the highest grades in theological subjects..


I predict that you will not be very happy here, for the most part we are very matter of fact type people and you'll need a little more than 'there is no sensible explanation' or you are 'unread on the matter'...

all the best

 

[YusufNoor]

The truth is,that Muslims are unable to explain in the convincing way,why The Bible is false,because there`s simply no sensible explanation.

actually, there are few!

The obvious truth is,that God can`t do something bad and without any sense,

why blame God if Christians changed their Message? you should blame the Christians!

so every prophet who God sends to people,must be right-God simply has given different ways for different groups of people.

but they lose their "way" when they change the Message!

Muslims say,that prophet Muhammad was the last prophet,and that`s why he is the only right.They don`t notice,that every prophet appeared in the different land.

we notice, and we notice that they corrupted their books AND Religion!

Why tit`s the time what decides? That can be the place equally well.

huh?

IF you believe the Bible to be true and lacking error, answer these simple questions:

"according to the Bible," did Jesus celebrate the Passover with his 12 Apostles, thus instituting what Christians call "the Lord's Supper" BEFORE he was [allegedly] crucified?

OR

"according to the Bible" did Jesus [allegedly] die BEFORE the Passover and thus NEVER initiate any sort of Lord's Supper?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

I believe that each of us should strive to become kinder, act justly, with loving kindness and be more forgiving by following our own scriptures. We sin against God and we sin against each other, when we try and ridicule other people’s beliefs.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith understanding and friendship

Eric

 

[Intisar]

And they really should not mention religious wars,which are against Christianity anyway.Something what happened in 16-th century.Today`s Christians are not responsible for their ancestors.It would be amusing to say,that I`m responsible for something what my ancestor from 16-th century has done.So,I can`t apologize for this.Most of Muslims have never read The Bible and they don`t know what is written in it,but they judge the religion which they don`t know.

But you just judged Muslims saying that none of us have ever read the bible. :? What about ex-Christians who found Islam? Did they not read the bible?

Why can't you back up your accusations with facts instead of spewing around judgments? Which, ironically enough, you complain about Muslims doing. :rollseyes

 

[gang4]

And they really should not mention religious wars,which are against Christianity anyway.Something what happened in 16-th century.Today`s Christians are not responsible for their ancestors.It would be amusing to say,that I`m responsible for something what my ancestor from 16-th century has done.So,I can`t apologize for this.Most of Muslims have never read The Bible and they don`t know what is written in it,but they judge the religion which they don`t know.

Good for you...
Since you are not responsible for your ancestor in 16th century (400 years old), so I take it, you do not believe in original sin since you are not responsible for Adam/Eve actions either (thousand of years old).

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Good for you...
Since you are not responsible for your ancestor in 16th century (400 years old), so I take it, you do not believe in original sin since you are not responsible for Adam/Eve actions either (thousand of years old).

Any response to this and my post Jenny?

 

[Jenny]

According to The Bilble,Jesus first ate his last supper,and later has been crucified.Why do you ask me such question,if you believe,that he was not crucified at all?

 

[Jenny]

History is one of the sciences,in which nothing is sure,except obvious material proofs,things found in th ground.

 

[Jenny]

Yes.First,Jesus is not God,but the Son of God according to Christianity (spiritual son,not physical son,of course,because God is a ghost,He has no body and He has no sex).Secondly,what you write are words from the Old Book,which is base for Jewish,not for Christians.Jesus has never ordered any war.

 

[Jenny]

We are not responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve.The original sin means the proneness of human nature to sinning.

 

[Jenny]

I would have doubts as to ex-Catholics,because according to their Church rules,they are allowed to read The Bilble,but not alowed to explain it for themselves without their priest.

 

[YusufNoor]

According to The Bilble,Jesus first ate his last supper,and later has been crucified.Why do you ask me such question,if you believe,that he was not crucified at all?

i specifically asked you about the Passover meal, did Jesus celebrate the Passover just before his [alleged] crucifixion.?

it's a simple question.

and i ask because i have read MANY versions the Bible [because there is NO such thing as "THE BIBLE"]; you seem to assume that no one here is familiar with it.

some of us a familiar with all of the errors and inconsistencies.

 

[Jenny]

Give me obvious proofs,material proofs,for example,newly found old parts of The Bible,not historical expectations,then I`ll be convinced.

 

[Jenny]

He celebrated it before his crucifixion.Previous evening,to be exact.One more thing,even if one day reveal,that The Bible was written by one or two men,even if reveal,that it`s not the whole text,it does not change a sense of that,what Jesus was teaching.He was teaching,that people should love God and should love each other.And that`s what I believe in,in the way I think right.

 

[Jenny]

Saying that somebody has never read The Bilble,is not judging,that`s first.Second,I`ve heard,that Muslims are not allowed to read it-did someone (Muslim) inform me right?

 

[YusufNoor]

He celebrated it before his crucifixion.Previous evening,to be exact.

thank you for answering the question, see below

One more thing,even if one day reveal,that The Bible was written by one or two men,even if reveal,that it`s not the whole text,it does not change a sense of that,what Jesus was teaching

so, you do not believe that "the Bible" is the word of God? you DO know that Protestantism STARTED to get back "to the Bible" after Rome had taken the Religion to so many strange and odd places that were NOT justified by Scripture?

.He was teaching,that people should love God and should love each other.And that`s what I believe in,in the way I think right.

and so, you don't believe that Islam also teaches that?

i'll give you credit, you answered the question. HOWEVER the author of what is called the gospel of John DISAGREES with you [as well as the authors of the other 3 gospels]!

lets see, shall we:

Lets look at “John,” in chapter 18 we see:

Jesus Before Pilate John 18

28Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. you see, they hadn't eaten the Passover meal yet!

and in John 19:

13When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge's seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). 14It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. it is STILL the preparation day!


And on that “Preparation Day:

16Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.

Well, so what? Is this just some kind of double error by scribes? Actually and emphatically NO!

The author of “John” has deliberate changed the story AND we can prove it! The author has Jesus killed on the Preparation Day in order add a new title for Jesus, that being the Lamb of God! How do we know? Go back to John 1:

29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30This is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' 31I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel."

35The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!"

conclusion: You won’t find Jesus referred to in any of the other Gospels as “the Lamb of God!” it is a creation of the author of “John” AND he changed “the gospel” in order to make the name fit! he is implying that Jesus died about the time that the lambs were sacrificed for the Passover meal in order to make the claim that Jesus is NOW the Lamb of God! so we have PROOF here that a gospel writer is NOT writing any kind of history, he is just changing the story to fit the theology that he wants to preach.

and so i ask, is it possible that Jesus DID eat the Passover Meal with his disciples and that he also DIDN'T eat it with them? can both be true?

now, "according to the Bible," where did Joseph and Mary live before Jesus was born?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Saying that somebody has never read The Bilble,is not judging,that`s first.Second,I`ve heard,that Muslims are not allowed to read it-did someone (Muslim) inform me right?

No, they didn't inform you right. The only difference is we shouldn't make it our priority.

Even if someone told you this, what makes you think billions of Muslims worldwide didn't read it? Do you know them all? I'd guess not.