Until now,you focus not on the subject,but on personal attacking me,because you are unable to prove me that I`m not right whatever I say,in the subject or not.Personal attacks are not sensible arguments,so if you want only to attack me,not to discuss,will be better if we finish writing to each other.
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Until now,you focus not on the subject,but on personal attacking me,because you are unable to prove me that I`m not right whatever I say,in the subject or not.Personal attacks are not sensible arguments,so if you want only to attack me,not to discuss,will be better if we finish writing to each other.
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In fairness, everytime you argue a point you refuse to address the counterpoints. For example, the "where has Jesus commanded people to be killed" post or something along those lines.
Unless you respond to the counterpoints to your own posts coherently, you don't come across as focused.
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It is belaboring -- every other post of hers is either lost semantics or distaste for very thorough debates..it becomes a matter of saving face than intellectual honesty.
I am going to unsubscribe from this thread.. until such a time one of them can refute point by point the topics raised, the value of this thread otherwise has lost all meaning!
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In all honesty, she is not attacking you, but addressing what you say in your posts. You on the other hand, get off the topic and insult. Please watch yourself.
Me too. These posts will probably be gone soon enough.
Me too. These posts will probably be gone soon enough.
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i've read only the first message and i don't know if it was answered (i'm pretty sure it was), but i really want to answer too anyway.
i really want to answer about the last part
"Now what was your motivation to do good?"
you think doing good out of fear is wrong?
So what you are saying is... that if your kid is acting bad you shouldn't punish him? if someone is a criminal hurting people you shouldn't throw him in jail? and the whole justice thing that people are trying to do... it's all wrong?
now i will ask you, do you think God needs you to do things for him? out of love or fear or whatever?
you don't understand this part cause only in Islam, the religion has rules for almost every thing, it is literally a life guide.
Why did God gave us rules? is it because it will benefit him in anyway? God is the Greatest, the Absolute Ruler!
He doesn't need us. we need Him. you see, Islam isn't something that you can put on the back of your shelf. it's rules are concerning the most simplest acts of everyday. We pray 5 times a day , so we will not forget it.
"He is successful who purifies himself, and remembers the name of his Lord, and so prays." (87:14-15)
why are we told to remember Him? so we will not go astray!
so... for conclusion, what is the meaning of Islam? Islam means "Submission to the will of God" and in it's ethical sense islam signifies "striving after the ideal". "Islam" and "Muslim" derive from the same word as the Arabic for "Peace", and the best greeting between muslims is "Peace be unto you".
Peace, between the people. Rules so we can live in Harmony and fear so we will remember that there is justice.
and Allah knows best.
i really want to answer about the last part
"Now what was your motivation to do good?"
you think doing good out of fear is wrong?
So what you are saying is... that if your kid is acting bad you shouldn't punish him? if someone is a criminal hurting people you shouldn't throw him in jail? and the whole justice thing that people are trying to do... it's all wrong?
now i will ask you, do you think God needs you to do things for him? out of love or fear or whatever?
you don't understand this part cause only in Islam, the religion has rules for almost every thing, it is literally a life guide.
Why did God gave us rules? is it because it will benefit him in anyway? God is the Greatest, the Absolute Ruler!
He doesn't need us. we need Him. you see, Islam isn't something that you can put on the back of your shelf. it's rules are concerning the most simplest acts of everyday. We pray 5 times a day , so we will not forget it.
"He is successful who purifies himself, and remembers the name of his Lord, and so prays." (87:14-15)
why are we told to remember Him? so we will not go astray!
so... for conclusion, what is the meaning of Islam? Islam means "Submission to the will of God" and in it's ethical sense islam signifies "striving after the ideal". "Islam" and "Muslim" derive from the same word as the Arabic for "Peace", and the best greeting between muslims is "Peace be unto you".
Peace, between the people. Rules so we can live in Harmony and fear so we will remember that there is justice.
and Allah knows best.
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Assalam aleykoum, Shalom, peace on you,
We are following all the religion of our father Abraham :
Jewish, Christians and muslims.
Allah SWT says in the quran :
CHAPTER 16
Al-Naƒl: The Bee
123 Then We revealed to thee:
Follow the faith of Abraham, the
upright one; and he was not of the
polytheists.
The prophete Mohamed SWS says in the quran :
CHAPTER 6
Al-An‘åm: The Cattle
161 Say: As for me, my Lord has
guided me to the right path — a right
religion, the faith of Abraham, the
upright one, and he was not of the
polytheists.
We have to call each other on one say that we beleive in one god, without any association I mean we have not to associate, only one god you can call him what you want he has the most beautifful name.
I do not understand whay peole are saying they are three religion, I see only one religion, like three brothers of the same father.
We have to call to what we have in common, i do not understand whay :
Jewish want all the world follow them and they say they will go all to heaven and the others will go to hell.
Christian want all the world follow them and they say they will go all to heaven and the others will go to hell.
Muslims want all the world follow them and they say they will go all to heaven and the others will go to hell.
We have forget the Satan, devil, diablo he has the worst name, he divided the religion of god and people have hates each other, every one of the three community thing that they are above the two others.
Wake up people we have to find out the truth without any pride, we have to open our eyes of our heart, we have to see clearly, we have not to protect the false.
May god help us, Amine, Ameen.
We are following all the religion of our father Abraham :
Jewish, Christians and muslims.
Allah SWT says in the quran :
CHAPTER 16
Al-Naƒl: The Bee
123 Then We revealed to thee:
Follow the faith of Abraham, the
upright one; and he was not of the
polytheists.
The prophete Mohamed SWS says in the quran :
CHAPTER 6
Al-An‘åm: The Cattle
161 Say: As for me, my Lord has
guided me to the right path — a right
religion, the faith of Abraham, the
upright one, and he was not of the
polytheists.
We have to call each other on one say that we beleive in one god, without any association I mean we have not to associate, only one god you can call him what you want he has the most beautifful name.
I do not understand whay peole are saying they are three religion, I see only one religion, like three brothers of the same father.
We have to call to what we have in common, i do not understand whay :
Jewish want all the world follow them and they say they will go all to heaven and the others will go to hell.
Christian want all the world follow them and they say they will go all to heaven and the others will go to hell.
Muslims want all the world follow them and they say they will go all to heaven and the others will go to hell.
We have forget the Satan, devil, diablo he has the worst name, he divided the religion of god and people have hates each other, every one of the three community thing that they are above the two others.
Wake up people we have to find out the truth without any pride, we have to open our eyes of our heart, we have to see clearly, we have not to protect the false.
May god help us, Amine, Ameen.
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The Jews and Christians now are not following the same message they were sent with at their appointed time...their books have been changed and more so the Bible...too many additions/subtractions. Taking bits and pieces out of a holy book no longer remains in its pure form.
The only religion acceptable to Allah(swt) is Islaam and it is mentioned in the Qur'aan....eventually every Muslim will go to Jannah InshaAllah....
And only Allah knows best who amongsts others will go to Jannah..
Prophet Muhammad(saw) doesn't "speak" in the Qur'aan. Everything said in the Qur'aan is said by Allah(swt).
Qur'aan is of Allah(swt) and Sunnah is of the Prophet(saw).
Indeed in a sense there is but one religion and that is the religion of Allah that the Prophets(pbut) followed i.e. Islaam...because they all submitted to the will of Allah(swt), which is the meaning of Islaam and being a Muslim.
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The final revelation is the Qur'aan, the final book to follow is the Qur'aan and Allah(swt) says die not except in the state of ISLAM i.e submission to Allah. I'm not saying there aren't any good Christians and Jews and most of the time these people embrace Islam. The Qur'aan is the final revelation and Prophet Muhammad(saw) the seal of all other Prophets. You have to ACCEPT Prophet Muhammad(saw).
The righteous Jews and Christians who followed the message they recieved will InshaAllah enter Jannah. Eesa(as) was sent the Injeel and the injeel now is hardly the same thing he(as) followed. Their books have been ALTERED, so Allah(swt) sent Prophet Muhammad(saw) with the final revelation, the Qur'aan. This book is for ALL times, the injeel and gospel was for one time and one nation. Ibrahim(as) was a Muslim because he submitted fully to the will of Allah and that is what a Muslim is. If u understand what Islaam and Muslim means you'd understand the context I speak in. But unfortunately u don't. Also none of the Prophets(pbut) were idol worshippers like most people are today.
And for the last time I'm not a brother.
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The final revelation is the Qur'aan, the final book to follow is the Qur'aan and Allah(swt) says die not except in the state of ISLAM i.e submission to Allah. I'm not saying there aren't any good Christians and Jews and most of the time these people embrace Islam. The Qur'aan is the final revelation and Prophet Muhammad(saw) the seal of all other Prophets. You have to ACCEPT Prophet Muhammad(saw).
The righteous Jews and Christians who followed the message they recieved will InshaAllah enter Jannah. Eesa(as) was sent the Injeel and the injeel now is hardly the same thing he(as) followed. Their books have been ALTERED, so Allah(swt) sent Prophet Muhammad(saw) with the final revelation, the Qur'aan. This book is for ALL times, the injeel and gospel was for one time and one nation. Ibrahim(as) was a Muslim because he submitted fully to the will of Allah and that is what a Muslim is. If u understand what Islaam and Muslim means you'd understand the context I speak in. But unfortunately u don't. Also none of the Prophets(pbut) were idol worshippers like most people are today.
And for the last time I'm not a brother.
Assalam aleykoum my Sister, sorry by calling you brother :statisfie
I have a very simple question, not two or Hundreds only one.
Can you bring me proof that in the Quran Allah SWT Cancel, Invalid Thora and Bible.
Thank you for your reply, I will give you all the time you nedd, if you are and I am still alive.
Assalam aleykoum all of you brothers and sisters in islam and in Humanity.
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Assalam aleykoum my sister,
I have another question where is write that Jewish and Christians have to follow the Prophete Mohamed SWS ( In the Quran ) ???
Thank you my sister, I have to go.
Assalam aleykoum.
I have another question where is write that Jewish and Christians have to follow the Prophete Mohamed SWS ( In the Quran ) ???
Thank you my sister, I have to go.
Assalam aleykoum.
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Because he is the final Messenger of Allah! Eesa(as) when he comes back will come to confirm to the Christians that he was only a Prophet(as) of Allah. Eesa(as) will follow the message given to Prophet Muhammad(saw). The Quraan is the final revelation to MANKIND. The Taurat and Injeel were sent for a certain period!
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
{Say [O Prophet]: "This is my way: Resting upon conscious insight accessible to reason, I am calling [you all] unto God - I and they who follow me." And [say:] "Limitless is God in His glory; and I am not one of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him!"} (Yusuf 12 - 08)
{Say (O, Muhammad): “If you love Allâh, then follow me, Allâh will love you
and forgive you your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”} [3:31].
{He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad),
has indeed obeyed Allâh} [4:80].
{But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O,
Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance
against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission}[4:65].
There are plenty more of these kinds of verses.
In the bible as well, referrin to Prophet Muhammad(saw).
In Deuteronomy 18:17-19:
"And the Lord said unto me. They have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
{Say [O Prophet]: "This is my way: Resting upon conscious insight accessible to reason, I am calling [you all] unto God - I and they who follow me." And [say:] "Limitless is God in His glory; and I am not one of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him!"} (Yusuf 12 - 08)
{Say (O, Muhammad): “If you love Allâh, then follow me, Allâh will love you
and forgive you your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”} [3:31].
{He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad),
has indeed obeyed Allâh} [4:80].
{But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O,
Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance
against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission}[4:65].
There are plenty more of these kinds of verses.
In the bible as well, referrin to Prophet Muhammad(saw).
In Deuteronomy 18:17-19:
"And the Lord said unto me. They have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
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Assalam aleykoum,
My post are again deleted, what that means ?
With all the respect due to you sisters and brothers in islam, I do not understand.
Can you tell me if its that you learned from the prophete Mohamed SWS or not ??
When someone telling you things diffrent from what the majority of muslims are saying you delet him message, wjat will be the next steep , I will be banned ???
You make me laugh because you are talking about other people but you are worst.
Where is the FREEDOM SPEECH, you are saying always you are the best of all human in what way ?????
Sorry if I did some wrong to anybody I apologize, but I want to Knwo if its allowed to use Quran in this forum, because its what I am doing nothing else.
If you fight against the Quran, I have nothing to say.
Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
My post are again deleted, what that means ?
With all the respect due to you sisters and brothers in islam, I do not understand.
Can you tell me if its that you learned from the prophete Mohamed SWS or not ??
When someone telling you things diffrent from what the majority of muslims are saying you delet him message, wjat will be the next steep , I will be banned ???
You make me laugh because you are talking about other people but you are worst.
Where is the FREEDOM SPEECH, you are saying always you are the best of all human in what way ?????
Sorry if I did some wrong to anybody I apologize, but I want to Knwo if its allowed to use Quran in this forum, because its what I am doing nothing else.
If you fight against the Quran, I have nothing to say.
Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
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Peace brother, we may be misinterpreting you but you were coming across a bit disrespectful in your posts, its happened before when muslims come and get angry when we dont accept what is being said, I dont think its what your saying but how you say it. Of course the majority of Muslims beleive the Qur'an and Sunnah, and after all its the majority that are going to go Jannah insha'Allah. Therefore it grates when things are said that challenge this. Anyway brother let us draw aline here and continue anew. May Allah grant us smooth communication and help us to understand each other in order to further commit to Islam,Ameen. Peace brother
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Yes bro Tony.
Ameen to the du'a.
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Some of what you said may have been correct, however, I noticed some very incorrect statements in your posts and was confused how you were mixing right and wrong together. I deleted your posts because on this forum, we do not allow people to speak about Islam without knowledge and based upon their own interpretation. The only freedom of speech in this regard is that which is in accordance with the authentic teachings of Islam. Anything else is of no value whatsoever.thetruth2009 said:
Regarding your statements:
Dear brother, there is no other truth besides Islam. Islam is the complete truth and nothing but the truth. The Qur'an clearly states (interpretation of the meaning):
Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam... [3:19]
Allah (swt) states that there is no religion He will accept from any person except Islam. Whoever meets Allah (swt) following a path other than that of Prophet Muhammad :saws:, it will not be accepted of him.
In another verse, He says (interpretation of the meaning):
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him [3:85]
If this is not clear to you, you must re-visit the basics of Islam and learn about it before debating these issues with others.
I think this thread has served its original purpose, hence -
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