Questions Posed By Non-Muslims need urgent help!!!

[Muezzin]

Mamals do not walk around naked.

'Naked' as in 'unclothed'

Humans are a much more advanced form of animal. But in essence they remain the same as other animals. When they come out from the womb, all mamals have the foreskin. It is there the way god intended. It was there for a reason.

Here's another similarity: Newborn humans and newborn mammals are wet and sticky with amniotic fluid. Did God intend us not to wash our newborns? Birth juice is natural too.

So yes I am saying circumcision is unnatural. Why? Do you not agree considering the above?

By that logic, absitence from sex until marriage is also unnatural, yet many major relgions prescribe this. If God orders us to do something, we do it.

 

[- Qatada -]

the way the scientific theory goes - man evolved from chimpanzees etc. fair enough they dont circumcise, but why dont we still live on trees? didn't chimpanzees do that?

now you say to yourself - but man has evolved and prefers a more advanced, better way of living. a more safer way so they can live without any problems and living in houses is more safer than living on a tree.


the same way - scientific studies have shown that circumcision is hygienic. so if its a better form of hygiene, even if the people or 'chimpanzees' never did it before us, then we do it now to be more hygienic. its got nothing with being un-natural but a matter of being safer.


and Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala knows best.

 

[jitty]

the same way - scientific studies have shown that circumcision is hygienic. so if its a better form of hygiene, even if the people or 'chimpanzees' never did it before us, then we do it now to be more hygienic. its got nothing with being un-natural but a matter of being safer.


and Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala knows best.

So hygine is the cause of circumcision? Are you too lazy to wash yourself properly that you need to remove your foreskin? The majority of the world population in unhygenic then as they are not circumzised? That cant be right can it?

 

[Muezzin]

So hygine is the cause of circumcision? Are you too lazy to wash yourself properly that you need to remove your foreskin?

Ya gotta admit though, it's a helluva lot more convenient

The majority of the world population in unhygenic then as they are not circumzised? That cant be right can it?

The majority? How many Muslims and Jews are there in this world?

 

[jitty]

'Naked' as in 'unclothed'


Here's another similarity: Newborn humans and newborn mammals are wet and sticky with amniotic fluid. Did God intend us not to wash our newborns? Birth juice is natural too.


By that logic, absitence from sex until marriage is also unnatural, yet many major relgions prescribe this. If God orders us to do something, we do it.

Your argument makes no sense? You are describing what happens naturally on earth. Cutting off of the foreskin does not.

Anyways regarding you first argument. You have highly contradicted yourself. Did you realise this?

If God did indeed intend for us to wash our newborn of "amniotic fluid" then surely God also intended for us to clean our glans by pulling back the foreskin. :coolious: And not to to take it off completely. eace:

 

[- Qatada -]

you know whats so ironic about your quote. muslims are the ones that wash themselves with water everytime, after they've used the toilet.

the majority of the non muslims dont even wash themselves after the toilet, so to be honest - us muslims take the most hygienic precautions we can.


read this link to read abit more: http://www.islamicboard.com/113072-post8.html

lol its kinda funny.

 

[Muezzin]

Your argument makes no sense? You are describing what happens naturally on earth. Cutting off of the foreskin does not.

Neither does cutting off of limbs, but it still happens. What you're saying is that circumsicion is always wrong because it's 'unnatural'. What I'm saying is, an amputation is also 'unnatural' but there are certain situations where it's in the best interest of the patient in order to stop the spread of infection. Circumsision is as akhee said, more a matter of good health than a matter of 'unnaturalness'.

I mean, God didn't want us to walk around butt-naked cos we'd freeze to death, and yet we're not born fully clothed. Does that make clothes 'unnatural'?

Anyways regarding you first argument. You have highly contradicted yourself. Did you realise this?

If God did indeed intend for us to wash our newborn of "amniotic fluid" then surely God also intended for us to clean our glans by pulling back the foreskin. :coolious: And not to to take it off completely. eace:

Unless you're God, you're not in the best position to make such assumptions really. Ever heard the expression 'God works in mysterious ways'?

 

[jitty]

you know whats so ironic about your quote. muslims are the ones that wash themselves with water everytime, after they've used the toilet.

the majority of the non muslims dont even wash themselves after the toilet, so to be honest - us muslims take the most hygienic precautions we can.


read this link to read abit more: http://www.islamicboard.com/113072-post8.html

lol its kinda funny.

Ok. So muslims are very hygenic. So much so they take the time to wash themselves with water after going to the toilet. So where did this hygine disapear to regarding the penis? If you are so hygenic then surely you should be able to wash you penis as well as your backside?

 

[- Qatada -]

what makes you think we dont do that? i said we wash ourselves after we've used the bathroom and yeah - that involves the penis too.

 

[jitty]

Neither does cutting off of limbs, but it still happens. What you're saying is that circumsicion is always wrong because it's 'unnatural'. What I'm saying is, an amputation is also 'unnatural' but there are certain situations where it's in the best interest of the patient in order to stop the spread of infection. Circumsision is as akhee said, more a matter of good health than a matter of 'unnaturalness'.

I mean, God didn't want us to walk around butt-naked cos we'd freeze to death, and yet we're not born fully clothed. Does that make clothes 'unnatural'?


Unless you're God, you're not in the best position to make such assumptions really. Ever heard the expression 'God works in mysterious ways'?

Limbs are cut off for a specific reason. Unless it is absolutely nessesary limbs are just not randomly cut off. The specific reason of hygine does not suffice to circumcise.

There are many uses for the foreskin. That is why humans and mamals have one. I will post them later.

 

[jitty]

what makes you think we dont do that? i said we wash ourselves after we've used the bathroom and yeah - that involves the penis too.

So this brings me back to the original question. Why circumcise at all then>?

 

[jitty]

Ya gotta admit though, it's a helluva lot more convenient


The majority? How many Muslims and Jews are there in this world?

" Circumcision is almost unheard of in Europe, South America, and non-Muslim Asia. In fact, only 10 to 15 percent of men throughout the world are circumcised. The vast majority of whom are Muslim.[29] The neonatal circumcision rate in the western US has now fallen to 34.2 percent.[30] This relatively diminished rate may surprise American men born during the era when nearly 90 percent of baby boys were circumcised automatically, with or without their parents' consent."

 

[jitty]

The foreskin has numerous protective, sensory, and sexual functions.

* Protection: Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands--glands that produce the sebum, or oil, that moisturizes our skin.[11] The foreskin produces the sebum that maintains proper health of the surface of the glans.

* Immunological Defense: The mucous membranes that line all body orifices are the body's first line of immunological defense. Glands in the foreskin produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme.[12] Lysozyme is also found in tears and mother's milk. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, an immune system component, abound in the foreskin's outer surface. Plasma cells in the foreskin's mucosal lining secrete immunoglobulins, antibodies that defend against infections.

* Erogenous Sensitivity: The foreskin is as sensitive as the fingertips or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialized nerve receptors than any other part of the penis.[15] These specialized nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture.[16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23]

* Coverage during Erection: As it becomes erect, the penile shaft becomes thicker and longer. The double-layered foreskin provides the skin necessary to accommodate the expanded organ and to allow the penile skin to glide freely, smoothly, and pleasurably over the shaft and glans.

* Self-Stimulating Sexual Functions: The foreskin's double-layered sheath enables the penile shaft skin to glide back and forth over the penile shaft. The foreskin can normally be slipped all the way, or almost all the way, back to the base of the penis, and also slipped forward beyond the glans. This wide range of motion is the mechanism by which the penis and the orgasmic triggers in the foreskin, frenulum, and glans are stimulated.

* Sexual Functions in Intercourse: One of the foreskin's functions is to facilitate smooth, gentle movement between the mucosal surfaces of the two partners during intercourse. The foreskin enables the penis to slip in and out of the vagina nonabrasively inside its own slick sheath of self-lubricating, movable skin. The female is thus stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the male's foreskin is missing.

The foreskin fosters intimacy between the two partners by enveloping the glans and maintaining it as an internal organ. The sexual experience is enhanced when the foreskin slips back to allow the male's internal organ, the glans, to meet the female's internal organ, the cervix--a moment of supreme intimacy and beauty.

The foreskin may have functions not yet recognized or understood. Scientists in Europe recently detected estrogen receptors in its basal epidermal cells.[24] Researchers at the University of Manchester found that the human foreskin has apocrine glands.[25] These specialized glands produce pheromones, nature's chemical messengers. Further studies are needed to fully understand these features of the foreskin and the role they play.

 

[Ameeratul Layl]

So, if you can see the good points of cir....wat eveer its called. Why do you continously go on and on about it?

peace!

 

[jitty]

So, if you can see the good points of cir....wat eveer its called. Why do you continously go on and on about it?

peace!

SO you agree with me. THank you! anyone else?

 

[- Qatada -]

OK now you've seen the ideas of the 'pleasures' or 'advantages' of the foreskin. lets look at the medical reasons that approve of circumcision.

Why should you consider circumcision ?

With the anti-circumcision propaganda on the net, consider the following facts:

1. The foreskin increases the risk of male and female infections.

* ‘Current new-born circumcision may be considered a preventative health measure analogous to immunisation in that side effects and complications are immediate and usually minor, but benefits accrue for a lifetime’
* Circumcision reduces the risk of vaginal infections.

2. Penile hygiene - an ongoing battle against smegma.

* The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene is required. The bacteria start multiplying immediately after washing and contribute, along with skin secretions, to the whitish film, termed ‘smegma’, that is formed under the foreskin.
* ‘What man after a night of passion is going to perform penile hygiene before rolling over and snoring the night away whilst organisms are multiplying in the warm moist environment under the prepuce ?’

3. When physical problems are encountered.

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Phimosis (inability to retract the foreskin) is normal in very young boys, but is gone by age 3 in 90%. If still present after age 6 it is regarded as a problem.
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Paraphimosis (where the retracted foreskin cannot be brought back again over the glans) is a very painful problem, relieved by circumcision or slitting the dorsal surface of the foreskin.
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To paediatric surgeons, the most obvious medical reasons for circumcision are balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and posthitis (inflammation of the foreskin), which are very painful conditions virtually limited to uncircumcised males.
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The need for an appliance for urinary drainage in quadriplegics and in senile men is facilitated if they are circumcised. Boys and men who are not circumcised can be a source of irritation if they do not retract the foreskin when they urinate, as ‘splatter’ will occur.
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Foreskin problems also mean intercourse is painful.
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Another condition, Frenular chordee, results from an unusually thick and often tight frenulum and prevents the foreskin from fully retracting. The frenulum then tears during intercourse or masturbation. This problem can be solved by excising the frenulum during a circumcision. Frenoplasty (removing just the tight frenulum) is also possible.

4. Sexually-transmitted diseases

* Being uncircumcised you have a higher risk contracting syphilis and gonorrhea .

5. Cancer of the penis

* This disease is almost completely confined to uncircumcised men and, less commonly, in those circumcised after the new-born period.

6. Emotional Advantages

* Circumcised men are much more content with the appearance of their genitals.
* In many cultures being circumcised is a rite of passage with many psycho-social meanings attached to the procedure.
* For many circumcision is a method of displaying kinship and a common identity amongst others.

7. Sexually

* Woman generally prefer to have sex with circumcised men and find the exposed glans much more arousing.
* No risk of offensive ordours spoiling the moment when impromptu sexual activity occurs.
* With the glans permanently exposed to greater friction, orgasms are reported to be much more intense.
* When performing oral sex most partners prefer their lover to be circumcised.
* Most teenagers/adult who have had themselves circumcised report an improvement in their sexual functioning.


Source.

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thats enough scientific evidence to prove that its important to have circumcision. we dont need no more articles posted now.

 

[safwana]

1) We all know Qu'ran to be totally scientificically correct right. Well the one ayyah i been having trouble understanding is the one where it says we are allowed to marry our cousins. Isn't this scientificially unethical. It reduces gene pool and in many countries its even banned? Please can someone shed some light on this topic


it says u can marry the it doesnt say u ave 2 marry them.nd ny wy that is the list of ppl u r allowed 2 marry who r nt ur mahram?
2) The banning of alcohol. Alcohol was not immediately banned. First it was prohibited during salah, after Hadhrat Umer(RA) complained to the Prophet SAW, and ayyah was revealed “O Believers’ do not approach Salâh while intoxicated.” Then after some fights or so broke up someone told the prophet and then alcohol was totally prohibited. My question is why wasn't it immediately prohibited, and it appears that it only happened when someone complained, why did someone need to complain for Allah SWA to ban it

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the reason 2 this is when sum1 is very in 2 sumthing ie alcohol they could nt stop it straight a way nd coz islam is a easy realigon allah talah told the sahabah 2 stop it slowly nd as the rulings cum dwn slowly i was easy 4 them 2 stop?k"][/FONT]


3) The muslims originally used to pray towards jerusalem. They then changed to Mekkah. Why was it not from the very beginning that they prayed to Mekkah. Some people say it's because the Prophet SAW fell out with the jews. Some people say God changed his mind.Surely this can't be

allah tallah wanted jeruslam 2 b the qiblah first therafter changed it 2 the kabah ot allah wills happens!


4) Whats the best way to answer,with good logical reasoning, when someone asks why your not allowed to take or give interest

intrest is a very big sin 2 use it the best answe would allah tallah say wa haramul riba ie intres is haraam. for more info read mufti taqi usmani kitab on "The historic judgement on intrest" and "Introduction 2 islamic finance"

5) What about when people ask about circumcision. I know that it reduces likely spread of HIV, but as Muslims this should not be an issue as we shudn't be having realationships outside of marriage. Are there are other scientific reasons

wot islam says is 4 the best of a person ?


6) What about when people ask why do you praise God so much, surely God doesn't require your praises, regardless of how many times you paise him he shud still be that great

allah talah does nt nd our praises but we nd the help of allah. it is the human that they praise there lord 1 that created them frm a clot of blood.

7) How do you answer questions of atheists who say why does God let so much bad stuff happen, for example Tsunami.

when uve bn given everythig 4 example when u work 4 sum1 they give u according 2wot uve dun. whereas allah talah gives u weather uve worshipd allah or nt therafr ther is a limit if allah gave umoney food andso on nd u still disbelive nd do open sin such as adultry ur punnish is going 2 cum the same way it cum 2 the ppl b4 u.eg nooh as ppl were drowned?

8) Also how can you explain the way we pray, i've heard non-muslims making fun saying we're going for some exercise. what is the wisdom behind all these different actions

for every posture u do there is wisdom behind it the wisdom of allah is that u use all the parts of ur body in excercise so u dnt nd 2 go 2 te gym?!?

may this benifit u in the correct way ameen

 

[jitty]

The foreskin increases the risk of male and female infections.

Penile hygiene - an ongoing battle against smegma.

Ok, so you admit to not being able to wash properly. That’s fine. Females also have smegma - should we cut them too?

Sexually-transmitted diseases

Not in Ethiopia it doesn't, and not in the US.

Cancer of the penis

There's much less penile cancer in Denmark than the US and they don't circumcise there. More men get breast cancer than penile cancer: why not cut off their breasts?

Emotional Advantages

* Circumcised men are much more content with the appearance of their genitals.
*

Untrue, common misconception.

Sexually

* Woman generally prefer to have sex with circumcised men and find the exposed glans much more arousing.

Only 15-20% of the world population is circumcised. Therefore the above point is invalid.

When physical problems are encountered.
Phimosis (inability to retract the foreskin) is normal in very young boys, but is gone by age 3 in 90%. If still present after age 6 it is regarded as a problem.

The figure is more closer to 1-1.5%. In reply to that there are also complications for circumcisions:

Complications of circumcision

Happily, complications of circumcision are relatively rare, although they may be under-reported following religious or cultural circumcision. For this reason, figures on the rate of complications may not be reliable. Complications include:
• reduction in penile sensation (an almost universal experience)
• bleeding
• damage to the urethra (urine tube in the penis)
• amputation of the glans (rare)
• infection in the blood or septicaemia (rare).

Source: http://www.nhsborders.org.uk/view_item.aspx?item_id=16692

 

[jitty]

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[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hello Jitty,

So god purposely gave man foreskin only to have to take it off again?

Yes!

What is the point in this?

Same as the answer to this question:
What is the point of life?

I could say, "So you mean that God gave people life only to take it back again?"

The truth of the matter is that this is a simple test. God commanded Adam pbuh not to eat from a tree in paradise. There is no indication that the tree was special, it was just a simple tree selected as a test. Likewise, God gives human beings simple commands in this life as a test. Those who perform the task will be rewarded.

With regard to circumcision, it is part of God's covenant to Abraham, hence circumcision is a prescribed practice amongst all three abrahamic faiths. Just as Muslims grow a beard - one may wonder what is the purpose of the the beard. The answer is simply because it is a prescribed practice within Islam that offers a disntint trait of the believers. The same thing is true for many other practices such as abstaining from eating pig, etc.

Any medical reasons for circumcision are secondary. The first and foremost reason is because God commanded it.

Regards