Hijab or no hijab?

[Italianguy]

Sure. They were kindly and caring people when they (of they mind found lonely missing child...). Hopely they will make same again... but not with same "missing child".

;D

LOL, I hope not. I hope next time my wife realises whats going on;D

 

[Supreme]

No it's not! How would you know? Did yours fail? All my family members arranged marriage were %100 successful

May I ask? do you even know what an Arranged marriage is?

It's were the parents (or somebody else apart from the couple in question) arrange a marriage that isn't their own.

Oh really ?! So then it is less oppressive for guys to spend the night with the woman (I'd rather not use more impolite description of their deeds, even though I can) and then throw her away and get a new sock?

An COUNTLESS cases come into my mind! So then that ways better?

Come on, how often does those kinda relationships end so that the guy just sends a stupid textmessage to the girl "sorry, it's over" "we're too different" etc. after having the five mins of enjoyment

I never even implied such a thing. I just said that arranged marriages are oppressive, and also illegal.

Indeed, it is alots more successful comparing to Supremes' "50-dates"-marriage

Not if the couple in question don't love each other. If you have 5 dates or 500 hundred dates with different people, I'm sure if you find the one you love in the end it's worth it and successful.

 

[sister herb]

LOL, I hope not. I hope next time my wife realises whats going on;D

I wrote as:

but not with same "missing child"

;D

 

[Alpha Dude]

I just said that arranged marriages are oppressive, and also illegal.

I think you have arranged marriages confused with forced ones.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Can you explain a litte more? Interesting

i will pm you soon.

 

[Supreme]

I think you have arranged marriages confused with forced ones.

No, I'm pretty sure I've got arranged marriages right:

Amongst the arguments against arranged marriage, the most prominent are:

Arranged marriage is as good or as bad as the people arranging it. A forced mismatch, based on the values important to the arranger may not be as important to the parties involved.[citation needed]
Coercion to marry is commonly considered a violation of fundamental human rights in most Western societies. In the United Kingdom, legislation was passed in 2007 to effectively outlaw the practice in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. This is primarily because of its usurpation of a choice that, in most Western thought, belongs solely to the individuals involved; people can "find themselves stuck in marriages with persons decidedly not of their own choosing... whom they may find personally repulsive."[11]
A further condemnation of the practice of arranging marriage for economic reasons comes from Edlund and Lagerlöf (2004) who argued that a love marriage is more effective for the promotion of accumulation of wealth and societal growth.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage#Against

 

[Italianguy]

i will pm you soon.

Thanks brother

 

[Alpha Dude]

Supreme, in Islam, nobody can force somebody to get married. The choice is (or always should be) up to the individuals. If two people have been arranged to get married, they both have the option to refuse the partner that has been brought forth.

 

[Italianguy]

Ohhhh my friend, let me explain an arranged marriage in my family or culture, it may differ from others, so I only speak for myself.

An arranged marriage is a beautiful thing. It is where 2 families have decided based upon multiple reasons such as; Faith, age, education, stature, status in society (in some cases) and looks (rarely) among other reasons.

A couple usualy gets to meet with each other maybe once or twice, just to talk! Not for a test run. In my families cases, they met at the alter(on the day of marriage)

You will learn to love each other through time. Both parties have already been educated on their respective roles in the household I.E.; Husband provides and is head of household and woman provides for a nourishes the children as well as other things. There is a mutual respect! Respect is a big part.

If you are brought up knowing this, it is not a big deal:hmm:

I was born here in America, and i know it is frowned upon, but believe it or not it is getting popular again, slowely.

It's not just a Muslim or Christian, or Hindu thing....It's a proper thing.

Just going out and "testing the waters" for man or woman is against everything a Christian should do,(as well as a Muslim, I think?? Someone correct me).

We shouldn't just go out and date:heated:

My friend....you trully find a great respect and love for a person when you have to learn everythng about them new.

I am against forced marriage, it is totally different......but there was someone in my family involved in a forced marriageimsad 22 years ago......they are still happily married

Arranged marriage is a journey, that you and your partner will take together, it strengthens a bond between the 2 of you that can never be broken. It creates a love only seen by few.

My great grandparents where inseperable, I never saw them apart....In fact when they got to the US through Ellis island, my grandfather was detained for a week....My grandmother (at that time 16 years old) slept outside! In the dirt...in the cold and rain drinking water that fell off the roof when it rained...for a weekimsad she NEVER left his side ......EVER. They loved eachother so much they were always together.

Have you ever seen the movie "The Namesake"? It's about an Indian couple and shows their arranged marriage.

Arranged marriages are usually %99 sucessfull!

I do understand how you see it though. Many don't know the beauty in arranged marriage. It's because everone has become so liberal and against everything out off THEIR norm.

God be with you friend.

 

[Supreme]

Supreme, in Islam, nobody can force somebody to get married. The choice is (or always should be) up to the individuals. If two people have been arranged to get married, they both have the option to refuse the partner that has been brought forth.

I'm against arranged marriages irregardless of them being Islamic or otherwise.

It's not just a Muslim or Christian, or Hindu thing....It's a proper thing.

No its not, it's a method of parent to control their offspring against the offspring's will. Now I've no doubt the offspring themselves can benefit, and the parents are doing it for the best interests of their children, but that still does not make it right.

Just going out and "testing the waters" for man or woman is against everything a Christian should do,(as well as a Muslim, I think?? Someone correct me).

Any verse in the Bible to prove this?

Arranged marriage is a journey, that you and your partner will take together, it strengthens a bond between the 2 of you that can never be broken. It creates a love only seen by few.

Maybe, but it's the choice of the individual, because it is the individual that is the one who is going to be most affected. It's the same with buying a house, if I was going to spend millions of pounds on a house I was going to live in for the rest of my life, I would at least go out and choose it myself.

Arranged marriages are usually %99 sucessfull!

Just because something is successful, it does not make it right.

I do understand how you see it though. Many don't know the beauty in arranged marriage. It's because everone has become so liberal and against everything out off THEIR norm

And that's just it- you're conservative, I'm liberal. We're never going to agree on some things, and this is just one of those things.

 

[greenshirt]

the hijab is required for all muslimahs, and they should not wear tight clothing with it, nor should they wear standout clothing (like florescent color hijabs, etc.) the reason for wearing hijab is because of modesty, and so if someone is wearing a hijab and then wearing tight jeans and a revealing shirt, this is unacceptable and not within the dress code boundaries of the religion!

concerning forced(arranged) marriages, this is also unacceptable. a person has a right to decide if they want to get married or not. though it is practiced in many cultures, and usually with good intentions, it is still ultimately up to a person, and only them, whether or not they want to get married to another person. this is even narrated in the hadiths. http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/4602/forced marriage

 

[جوري]

what is
Eharmony.com
chemistry.com
match.com

etc etc?

are they not arranging people together sans the actual insight of third parties who know them, since people are seldom honest on their profile?..

I am not a fan of arranged marriages but couldn't help pass the opportunity to point out yet another flaw in western hypocrisy!

They do the exact same thing to a lesser degree that rejects all safety measures and have the audacity to point out how others are doing it wrong..

yeah good luck with your sites and bar hopping.. I am sure it is the classy way to go about it!

for centuries people have been perfectly happy being brought together by a third party, substituting that for internet arrangements, perhaps makes it a bit more sterile but a thorn by any other name!

 

[Italianguy]

Supreme, in Islam, nobody can force somebody to get married. The choice is (or always should be) up to the individuals. If two people have been arranged to get married, they both have the option to refuse the partner that has been brought forth.

Thanks DUDE, i forgot to put that. They do have the option to refuse.

 

[Italianguy]

what is
Eharmony.com
chemistry.com
match.com

etc etc?

are they not arranging people together sans the actual insight of third parties who know them, since people are seldom honest on their profile?..

I am not a fan of arranged marriages but couldn't help pass the opportunity to point out yet another flaw in western hypocrisy!

They do the exact same thing to a lesser degree that rejects all safety measures and have the audacity to point out how others are doing it wrong..

yeah good luck with your sites and bar hopping.. I am sure it is the classy way to go about it!

I know, those sites are horible+o(

They match upon nothing true.

I heard they rarely work anyway:hmm:

 

[جوري]

Al-Khansaa’ bint Khidaam complained to the Prophet that her father wanted her to marry someone she didn’t want, saying “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.” The Prophet said, “Then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” Al-Khansaa’ said, “I have actually accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters” (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fath Al-Barî Ibn Hajr, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)

 

[Supreme]

I know, those sites are horible+o(

They match upon nothing true.

I heard they rarely work anyway:hmm:

Tell me about it. The TV adverts (sorry, commericials) make me cringe.

 

[Italianguy]

I'm against arranged marriages irregardless of them being Islamic or otherwise.


No its not, it's a method of parent to control their offspring against the offspring's will. Now I've no doubt the offspring themselves can benefit, and the parents are doing it for the best interests of their children, but that still does not make it right.



Any verse in the Bible to prove this?



Maybe, but it's the choice of the individual, because it is the individual that is the one who is going to be most affected. It's the same with buying a house, if I was going to spend millions of pounds on a house I was going to live in for the rest of my life, I would at least go out and choose it myself.

Just because something is successful, it does not make it right.



And that's just it- you're conservative, I'm liberal. We're never going to agree on some things, and this is just one of those things.

My friend, i am not trying to enforce my opinion on you. Everybody has the right to their own opinion, i respect that

God bless.

I will find the verse you are seeking.

 

[Italianguy]

Tell me about it. The TV adverts (sorry, commericials) make me cringe.

HEY, WE agreed on something;D

God bless.

 

[Italianguy]

Al-Khansaa’ bint Khidaam complained to the Prophet that her father wanted her to marry someone she didn’t want, saying “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.” The Prophet said, “Then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” Al-Khansaa’ said, “I have actually accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters” (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fath Al-Barî Ibn Hajr, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)

An aranged marriage or "assited marriage" is different than forced.

I don't like forced marriage eitherimsad

 

[GuestFellow]

I'm against arranged marriages irregardless of them being Islamic or otherwise.

No its not, it's a method of parent to control their offspring against the offspring's will. Now I've no doubt the offspring themselves can benefit, and the parents are doing it for the best interests of their children, but that still does not make it right.



Any verse in the Bible to prove this?



Maybe, but it's the choice of the individual, because it is the individual that is the one who is going to be most affected. It's the same with buying a house, if I was going to spend millions of pounds on a house I was going to live in for the rest of my life, I would at least go out and choose it myself.

Just because something is successful, it does not make it right.



And that's just it- you're conservative, I'm liberal. We're never going to agree on some things, and this is just one of those things.

Why is it not right?