Illegal sexual intercourse in Christianity

[Asiyah3]

I couldn't find a thread about this topic, so...

What does Christianity say about relationships outside marriage?

Edit: "outside marriage" also includes relationships before marriage

About my thread, I'd like to include many things in it. I chose the subject "illegal sexual intercourse" in Christianity, coz' that's one of the things I'd like to know at the moment.

My intention for this thread is seeking knowledge also there will be critics.

 

[جوري]

they are encouraged the same way homosexuality is, because 'Jesus' loves you!

 

[mkh4JC]

It is forbidden. Jesus said it this way:

'And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.' Matthew 19: 9.

 

[Asiyah3]

It is forbidden. Jesus said it this way:

'And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.' Matthew 19: 9.

Peace,
Thank you for telling me the answer and also quoting the verse from the Bible.

I assume soon other Christians will come and tell me "nope, dat' was for da' Jews only"

 

[Asiyah3]

they are encouraged the same way homosexuality is, because 'Jesus' loves you!

Thanks sis Skye This aroused lots of questions into my head about Christianity.

It really makes me wonder if all sins have been forgiven then what is the idea of doing good deeds? What is the idea of this and that being "forbidden"?

I find Christianity to be very unjust. Just believe in Jesus (pbuh) and you'll go to Heaven without punishment coz sins have been forgiven? So if one only says I believe in Jesus as God/Son of God then he goes to heaven? What is the Idea of all this? I'm sorry but I don't see any logic in Christianity at all :hmm: Why does Jesus (pbuh) have to pay for other's sins? (I think this may have been discussed but I don't remember)

Now I'll go to sleep, insha'lLah

 

[glo]

I agree with Fedos. Sex outside of marriage is not permitted in Christianity.

However - and I may be the only one who wonders about this - I sometimes ponder what is meant by 'marriage' in the context of Jesus' time.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that the marriage contract would have been completed in the same way as it is now.
Does anybody know what 'marriage' meant in Jesus' times?
Was there a ceremony? If so, what was it?

I think most Christians, even very liberal ones, agree that sex belongs within the context of a stable and committed relationship. I suppose some consider the written piece of paper that comes with a legal marriage less important than the commitment made (in one's heart) in front of each other and in front of God.

 

[جوري]

Thanks sis Skye This aroused lots of questions into my head about Christianity. I'll be posting them into Woodrow's "questions to Christians"-thread.

difficult to know where Christians stand on any issue as they constantly kowtow to the tides. I have in fact formulated this opinion after a member here proved with 'modern science' that homosexuality is a trait people are born with.. the same application can also be used for sex outside of marriage, fornication is a trait people are just born with..

 

[Asiyah3]

difficult to know where Christians stand on any issue as they constantly kowtow to the tides. I have in fact formulated this opinion after a member here proved with 'modern science' that homosexuality is a trait people are born with.. the same application can also be used for sex outside of marriage, fornication is a trait people are just born with..

:wa:

You made a very good point.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you_muslim_;

Mathew 5
Adultery
27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Life is full of temptations, and we struggle with our faith.

Blessings

Eric

 

[Asiyah3]

I agree with Fedos. Sex outside of marriage is not permitted in Christianity.

And that includes sex before marriage? May I also ask where is the limit? When one says "sex not permitted", how about dating, kissing, touching a stranger?


However - and I may be the only one who wonders about this - I sometimes ponder what is meant by 'marriage' in the context of Jesus' time.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that the marriage contract would have been completed in the same way as it is now.
Does anybody know what 'marriage' meant in Jesus' times?
Was there a ceremony? If so, what was it?

I think most Christians, even very liberal ones, agree that sex belongs within the context of a stable and committed relationship.

I wish you'd be right, but I disagree. It's very common- no no the other way -- It's very rare to meet someone who doesn't find it strange to marry without having sex.

I suppose some consider the written piece of paper that comes with a legal marriage less important than the commitment made (in one's heart) in front of each other and in front of God.

It's not only about a piece-of-paper. It's very weird, I started this thread asking about Christianity and you people believe in God and now it seems to me that these people decide whether a piece-of-paper is important or not. I don't see God's will being considered at all!

 

[Asiyah3]

Greetings and peace be with you_muslim_;

Mathew 5
Adultery
27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Life is full of temptations, and we struggle with our faith.

Blessings

Eric

Peace,

A big "thank you" to you, Eric

Thanks for those Bibical verses. I
They sound logical and this very interesting:

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "

Does it advice men to lower their gaze?

Life is full of temptations, and we struggle with our faith.

Very true Eric :statisfie

Edit: I'll be answering you all tomorrow, Insha'lLah

 

[Shahreaz]

Leviticus 20 (NIV)

" 10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

11 " 'If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

12 " 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

14 " 'If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.

15 " 'If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

16 " 'If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

17 " 'If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible."

But now a days in West, sexual relation with other man's wife is normal to them and they are now supporting Gay/Lesbian rights

 

[hanif_]

What is the reason for this thread?



With all the positive contributions on this forum and so much to learn what was the reason for creating this thread?

This is what Allah has directed Muslims to do and the explanation Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) gave regarding the Kitab.

3:64 (Y. Ali) Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).

Narrated Abu Huraira: "The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Apostle said (to the Muslims). 'Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' ' (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 460)"

Muslims base what they do and say upon evidence and not conjecture.

FEDO has already provided the evidence that Adultery and Fornication isn't permitted in Christianity.

The Christian Zealots go to get lengths to distort and defame Islam with disinformation and lies. Muslims should avoid these methods.

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]4:135 (Y. Ali) O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]5:8 (Y. Ali) O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. [/FONT]

 

[Asiyah3]

But now a days in West, sexual relation with other man's wife is normal to them and they are now supporting Gay/Lesbian rights

I see nowadays these so-called "open-relationships" where the man is free to sleep with other women and the woman to sleep with others. No morals at all!

And not even that. Glo talked about "commitment in heart" but that's not what I see. You say commitment, but there is no commitment... I see people not taking relationships seriously anymore :hmm:... Of course there are many of them who do have morals, praise be to God!

 

[Asiyah3]

Re: What is the reason for this thread?

With all the positive contributions on this forum and so much to learn what was the reason for creating this thread?

The reason --> We all worship the same God

JazakalLahu khairan for reminding me many things from your post :statisfie

 

[glo]

However - and I may be the only one who wonders about this - I sometimes ponder what is meant by 'marriage' in the context of Jesus' time.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that the marriage contract would have been completed in the same way as it is now.
Does anybody know what 'marriage' meant in Jesus' times?
Was there a ceremony? If so, what was it?

I think most Christians, even very liberal ones, agree that sex belongs within the context of a stable and committed relationship. I suppose some consider the written piece of paper that comes with a legal marriage less important than the commitment made (in one's heart) in front of each other and in front of God.

I think most Christians, even very liberal ones, agree that sex belongs within the context of a stable and committed relationship.

I wish you'd be right, but I disagree. It's very common- no no the other way -- It's very rare to meet someone who doesn't find it strange to marry without having sex.

It's not only about a piece-of-paper. It's very weird, I started this thread asking about Christianity and you people believe in God and now it seems to me that these people decide whether a piece-of-paper is important or not. I don't see God's will being considered at all!

The issue I am pondering lies exactly with your last sentence, which I highlighted in bold.

Knowing that I am amongst gracious friends here, let me make myself a little vulnerable and use my own situation as an example to demonstrate the 'marriage certificate' (i.e. piece of paper) vs God's blessing issue:

My (now) husband and I met 25 years ago. We have been living together as a sexually active couple for 24 years. During that time, we have been completely committed to each other and totally faithful. We had two children (outside of marriage) and got married 11 years ago. Our wedding was a legal one in a registry office; because my husband is not a Christians we did not have a church wedding, so we did not make out wedding vows in a religious setting.

Now, my questions is at what point did (if at all) our relationship become valid in God's eyes?

1. Right from the start, because we were committed and faithful to each other?
2. After we got married legally?
3. Not at all, because we did not have a church wedding?

I would be interested to hear your opinions.
(I anticipate that many Muslims may find this discussion quite irrelevant, whilst I am interested in the opinions of Muslims, I would particularly like to hear from Christians and those of other faiths)

 

[glo]

And not even that. Glo talked about "commitment in heart" but that's not what I see. You say commitment, but there is no commitment... I see people not taking relationships seriously anymore :hmm:... Of course there are many of them who do have morals, praise be to God!

I am clear that I refer to 'stable and committed relationships', and I am musing whether God would consider those on a same level as marriage.

A stable family is very much at the heart of Christian teaching, and as I said before, I cannot think of any Christian - however liberal in their views! - who would condone extra-marital affairs or open marriages or one-night-stands ...

I agree with you that people give up on relationships much too easily nowadays.
Being in a life-long relationship is very hard work, and requires a constant working and willingness to work with each other. It includes pain, frustration and disagreements, which need even greater amounts of love, patience and grace to overcome!

Many people today have not been taught that by example - so at the first sign of difficulties or the waning of sexual attraction, they think the relationship is wrong and look elsewhere ...

That's a big problem in our society - but I am not sure that MARRIAGE alone is the answer ... :hmm:

 

[Trumble]

But now a days in West, sexual relation with other man's wife is normal to them and they are now supporting Gay/Lesbian rights

Who is?! The question was about Christianity, and while some Christians may 'support' gay and lesbian rights many do not. 'Rights' is also a loaded word, does it mean absence of discrimination or legality of sexual practice, or 'marriage' or the equivalent? Many support the first, but oppose the second.

As to the other, while sexual relations with another man's wife certainly happen, it's a joke to suggest that is accepted as 'normal' behaviour in any 'Western' marriage, let alone one between practicing Christians.

 

[KAding]

Two points:

1. I don't personally know anyone who approves of cheating in a relationship, that includes Christians. To claim cheating is somehow generally accepted in the West is nonsense.
2. I think the subject of this thread betrays a very legalistic approach to religion. Christianity IMHO is not generally perceived as a legal system. The question in Christianity is one of faith and morality, not legality.

 

[glo]

Two points:
1. I don't personally know anyone who approves of cheating in a relationship, that includes Christians. To claim cheating is somehow generally accepted in the West is nonsense.

Hi Kading

That's an interesting point, and one I was thinking myself.
Why do you think people outside 'the religious arena' hold that moral value? Where does it come from?

2. I think the subject of this thread betrays a very legalistic approach to religion. Christianity IMHO is not generally perceived as a legal system. The question in Christianity is one of faith and morality, not legality.

I agree in that I perceive Islam to be much more legalistic than Christianity.

I believe that Jesus challenged legalism severely. It was one of the reasons the scholar and religious people of his day were so opposed to him. On several recorded occasions and in his teaching did he put human need before the blind following of the Jewish laws.

Here is a beautiful example:

One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"

He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."

Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
(Mark 2:23-28)