A devastating war between Israel & Hezbollah is on the horizon

[Dagless]

Incompetence shouldnt be assigned the respect of Intent. If they had Israels capacity, Israel wouldnt exist. Not a man or a woman or a child. Palastine from the river to the sea.

I agree with the incompetence on the part of Israel, but I disagree with Israel's capacity. There is only 1 reason, and that is America's support (both monetary and military).

Do Israeli civilians deserve to have high explosives chucked at the daily? The answer will lie on your perspective of wether they are people , or wether they are dirty zionists from the Soldier in the tank, to the baby in the pram.

Who exactly said this? I can't see anyone in this thread who has. In fact most recognise that some Israeli's are against Israel's policies.
Lets look at the facts now. How many civillians has Israel killed in relation to how many Hezbollah has killed? Now who see's who as dirty? Who has cut off water supplies, kidnapped thousands, shot children on purpose, and tortured for fun? I don't think you can even compare the firing of rockets to Israels human rights record.

And yes, Hezbollah was extatic that they were not beaten, and would have ascribed it firstly to Allahs protection and then to poor jewish fighting spirit. "Ha! See them run? They are not true men! We are LIONS!"

I don't see what this has to do with the argument. If it helps you maintain the stereotype in your head then feel free to think about it but its irrelevant to post here.

The idea that Israel carried out a very limited campaign with great concern for casulties and little regard for their own troops over the Lebanese civilians, then pulled out due to International pressure? This never crosses their minds. Nor that Israel's airforce could have sortied 400 strikes a day day and night and reduced the cities to ash along with everyone in it.:hmm:

They pulled out because of heavy losses, and its not a limited campaign when you outnumber another army by so much.
Again lets look at the facts; Hezbollah purposefully stayed away from populated areas and fought in the open and yet Israel still managed to kill civillians. So much for regard for civillians right? This is coming from a country which has been shown to bomb residential areas, water supplies, and schools on purpose.
Yes, Israel could have bombed the whole country. They could nuke anything they like. How is that an argument though? It just shows they are like a big bully who steals lunch money and then beats up the victim. There are always bigger bullies though and I doubt America would stand by Israel for long if that happened.

 

[Dagless]

Resolution 1701 was signed in 2006.
Ghajar is not occupied Lebanese territory, half of it is Lebanese and half of it is Israeli occupied Syrian territory.

Yes it was signed in 2006, but Israel still violated it after it was signed (hence I put they violated it in 2006 :s).

Yes, the half which is Lebanese was occupied by Israel hence occupied Lebanese territory.

 

[Froggy]

Yes it was signed in 2006, but Israel still violated it after it was signed (hence I put they violated it in 2006 :s).

Yes, the half which is Lebanese was occupied by Israel hence occupied Lebanese territory.

Ok, if that is correct I stand corrected. However I do not think this actually constitutes breaking the ceasefire. The resolution doesn't give any time reference for Israeli withdrawal, or does it?

 

[Argamemnon]

This doesn't change the fact it was Hezbollah that kidnapped IDF soldiers and rocketed the south.

They were right in my opinion. Israel holds Lebanese nationals as hostages without trial and nobody says anything. Hezbollah has every right to kidnap their soldiers and citizens, I would do the same. Eye for an eye. Regardless, Israel had already planned to invade Lebanon (before Hezbollah's kidnapping of Israeli soldiers).

 

[Argamemnon]

It's going to kick off, israel have been provoking them by repeatedly entering their airspace, if it was the other way round there would be a war going on right now.

Exactly, imagine the headlines in the Zionist and Judeo-Christian media if Lebanon was consistently violating Israeli airspace.

 

[The_Prince]

Incompetence shouldnt be assigned the respect of Intent. If they had Israels capacity, Israel wouldnt exist. Not a man or a woman or a child. Palastine from the river to the sea.

Do Israeli civilians deserve to have high explosives chucked at the daily? The answer will lie on your perspective of wether they are people , or wether they are dirty zionists from the Soldier in the tank, to the baby in the pram.

And yes, Hezbollah was extatic that they were not beaten, and would have ascribed it firstly to Allahs protection and then to poor jewish fighting spirit. "Ha! See them run? They are not true men! We are LIONS!"

The idea that Israel carried out a very limited campaign with great concern for casulties and little regard for their own troops over the Lebanese civilians, then pulled out due to International pressure? This never crosses their minds. Nor that Israel's airforce could have sortied 400 strikes a day day and night and reduced the cities to ash along with everyone in it.:hmm:

this is part of that rubbish propaganda you westeners have been feeding for a while, that if it was the other way round, all Jews would be dead, such claims are unfounded, and shows the inbred racism installed into western people into thinking the other side are just a bunch of barbarians who would kill everyone on the other side.

how about you go study your history first before you talk such stupidity, throughout history Muslims have shown themselves to be quite moral when it comes to war, if Muslims wanted to kill all the jews, or all their enemies, they could have done it when they took jerusalm over, when they took several lands in the middle-east and north africa which had christian populations. furthermore the palestinians, and hezbollah could wipe out every single christian to the last in both palestine and lebanon if they chose to do so.

but your a racist, which is why you make such comments, but offcourse your filled with such racism and an inbred superiority complex that you will even deny it, but put your money where your mouth is, and give us any proof that backs up your claim that if it was the other way round no single Israeli would be spared, give ANY evidence that would support this claim, and if you cant, dont bother responding back, because all your going to prove is that im right, face the facts buddy, you got no proof for such an unfounded claim, your just a bigoted racist.

 

[sister herb]

Here are some facts about Israel´s aggressions against Lebanon during almost 40 years.

UN Resolutions On Lebanon 1969 - 2006:
http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/un-resolutions.html


The Sabra and Shatila Massacre (16-18 September 1982)
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/145.shtml


And also for those whose might not know very much about Lebanon:

Lebanon for Beginners:
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/445.shtml

 

[Argamemnon]

Here are some facts about Israel´s aggressions against Lebanon during almost 40 years.

UN Resolutions On Lebanon 1969 - 2006:
http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/un-resolutions.html


The Sabra and Shatila Massacre (16-18 September 1982)
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/145.shtml


And also for those whose might not know very much about Lebanon:

Lebanon for Beginners:
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/445.shtml

Thanks sis, those are really awesome sources.

 

[barney]

I'm certainly not a racist! I oppose racism wherever I see it be it anti-semitism or jokes about the Irish.
Actually, one exception. The French. Never liked 'em. As Dougalas Haig said in 1919, "they are the fellows we shall be fighting next".

Put simply, morals are a matter of intent purely. Give Hezbollah the capacity to wipe the Jews from earths face, and they will do it. Give the IDF the same capability, say using nukes or their Air force, and what do they actually do? Limited, specific actions.

Ask yourself why the IDF diddnt just carpet bomb Lebanon and the PA areas into a moonscape and the answer will not be found within any capability to do it, just the moral (and legal aspects).
Lets give you some evidence. 287 strike aircraft carrying 24000 lbs = 6,888,000 pounds of high explosive. Thats many times the explosives that hit Dresden in the main WW2 Raid. Like it or not, if Israel decided to "wipe Lebanon off the map" as its enemies declare their intentions to be, then it would not be capability that prevented them.

A bunch of strutting racists posturing with beat up AKM's and spitting rockets randomly is not stopping them.

So ask yourself again, why?

 

[Argamemnon]

No, Muslims would never "wipe out" an entire nation. You are crazy if you think that barney, totally brainwashed by western/Zionist media into thinking that Muslims are genocidal maniacs.

 

[Argamemnon]

I wonder why this person is allowed to insult Muslims on our site (clearly he is not here to learn). I don't understand the mods.. they will sometimes disallow me to raise "controversial" issues, while allowing haters of Islam to post whatever they want.

 

[mahi]

I wonder why this person is allowed to insult Muslims on our site (clearly he is not here to learn). I don't understand the mods.. they will sometimes disallow me to raise "controversial" issues, while allowing haters of Islam to post whatever they want.

It is an annoyance, but it is good in many ways, issues are best addressed.

Barney, it's not wise to judge the intentions of others. Whilst I may be a hypocrite in saying this, it is true. You cannot know whether the IDF or Hizballah can claim the morale high ground, as neither really can.

While you may say with the nukes Israel has, it has not used, you cannot really claim their wonder based on that, considering the Gaza war against a helpless population, the constant deaths of people in Palestine that goes unheard of to the public eye, the constant building of walls to help settlers, the constant kicking Palestinians out of their homes to make land for Jewish settlers based on belief of a pact made with God.

Now imagine if Hizballah or some other group did what the IDF did in the gaza war, as an example of many. Gaza is basically a cave, the people Israel wants to come out come out, and the ones they want to leave will leave. I know this as a peace envoy went recently, and some men are still trapped in Gaza for being outspoken in Gaza. So you have a prison for 1 million, then you bomb them like crazy. Killing almost 1.5 thousand who are helpless and defenceless. Wounding many others. That's not a war, that's a massacre. So consider Hizballah doing that, you'd probably claim they were the human form of satan.

There are many many reasons why Hizballah have a right to be angry. If I kicked you out of your home and took your house as mine, and imprisoned you, I doubt you'd be too happy.

And if you gave Hizballah nukes, do I think they would use it? Well firstly they'd be dead before they got near them, as shows with the case in Iran. Secondly I would doubt it, as they are muslims. You can fight the fighters, but I am sure that killing civilians is against the religion 100%. The reason they do what they do is because they are oppressed. A reason why Lebannon isn't in the state of Gaza has to be attributed to Hizballah.

And in the fight of who's better, IDF or Hizballah? Both aren't helping anything, but can you really protect the actions of IDF? They are much more heinous than what Hizballah have done.

 

[Nokiacrazi]

Palestine is being illegally occupied by 'Israel'. End of discussion.

 

[barney]

It is an annoyance, but it is good in many ways, issues are best addressed.

Barney, it's not wise to judge the intentions of others. Whilst I may be a hypocrite in saying this, it is true. You cannot know whether the IDF or Hizballah can claim the morale high ground, as neither really can.

While you may say with the nukes Israel has, it has not used, you cannot really claim their wonder based on that, considering the Gaza war against a helpless population, the constant deaths of people in Palestine that goes unheard of to the public eye, the constant building of walls to help settlers, the constant kicking Palestinians out of their homes to make land for Jewish settlers based on belief of a pact made with God.

Now imagine if Hizballah or some other group did what the IDF did in the gaza war, as an example of many. Gaza is basically a cave, the people Israel wants to come out come out, and the ones they want to leave will leave. I know this as a peace envoy went recently, and some men are still trapped in Gaza for being outspoken in Gaza. So you have a prison for 1 million, then you bomb them like crazy. Killing almost 1.5 thousand who are helpless and defenceless. Wounding many others. That's not a war, that's a massacre. So consider Hizballah doing that, you'd probably claim they were the human form of satan.

There are many many reasons why Hizballah have a right to be angry. If I kicked you out of your home and took your house as mine, and imprisoned you, I doubt you'd be too happy.

And if you gave Hizballah nukes, do I think they would use it? Well firstly they'd be dead before they got near them, as shows with the case in Iran. Secondly I would doubt it, as they are muslims. You can fight the fighters, but I am sure that killing civilians is against the religion 100%. The reason they do what they do is because they are oppressed. A reason why Lebannon isn't in the state of Gaza has to be attributed to Hizballah.

And in the fight of who's better, IDF or Hizballah? Both aren't helping anything, but can you really protect the actions of IDF? They are much more heinous than what Hizballah have done.

Thanks for the support of the right to express veiws.

I'll outline my position on Israel.

A couple of thousand years ago a nation lived in a land that they thought their prophet had given them after slaughtering its occupants. He was called Moses. He thought , according to them, that their god yaweh had given them this land in perpituatry.
They attempted to overthrow the occupying western army and in a 4 year war were comprehensively defeated, their temple that the whole of their faith rested on was trashed and they were scattered accross the world following the ensuing pograms.

In the early years of the 20thC following the defeat of the main Islamic power who had sided with Germany in WW1, Britian took over control of the terrain. Once more occupied by a non-muslim power, this provided the scattered remenants to visualise their dream. A holocaust by Germany in WW2killing a third of their numbers was the catalyst for a UN mandate. the world collectively decided to give them a tiny homeland covering roughly the area that their, in my opinion, imaginary deity had "promised them"

This is frankly a farcical claim to territory. If they wanted land, then why not give them a few thousand square miles of Canada? well, its because they needed a special city, one that their saviour would appear in, at some point, when he got round to it. This is ridiculous because if we all started wanting to go to the lands of our ancestors then Britain would claim France, France Britain, the Irish scotland and Norway and denmark all of the above countries and each other. Thats just sticking to northern europe!

Problem. The territory belonged to the locals, who had a few decades before started being called palastinians. Naturally this wasnt going to lead to cream buns, thoughtful debate and comprimise. it was going to lead to bloody protracted war. It did.
How very strange!+o(
Invasions in '47,'63, '67 and '73 and constant attacks since unto this day resulted in utter defeat for every country surrounding them. They claimed that Yaweh was protecting them. The other nations were puzzled about the defeats but put it down to a lack of faith and a test for them.:hmm:

Is Might Right? It shouldnt be, but unfortunatly until the world turns atheist then the problem wont be solved with peace. No centuries of arguements will make the Jews any less certain that one human in 2000BC heard the creator of the universe specifically parcel off a patch of desert for them, Ironically the only bit without oil!

Isreal has a right in my opinion to exist. it was created unlike most nations , by mandate and not war, but war is its unhappy past and its unhappy future.
It has a right to defend itself. if it flung 3700+ badly aimed rockets at civilain areas, I would denounce that just as i denounce Hamas.

If It sits there for ever and just takes the daily barrage, then its stupid. Rightious but stupid. Even a christian nation only takes turning the other cheek at pure lipservice, like they take the rest of their religion!

I thus repeat. if Isreal was to Bomb like Crazy, you would certainly know about it, and the world would come running again to the aid of the oppressed. Umm, thats the western world BTW!

i have great sympathy for the Palastinian position, as I certainly dont know the depths of their condition. I wonder if they might like to stop chucking rockets about, then they might see a change in that condition and some tempory and futile peace might break out again.

And thats it!

 

[Dagless]

Thanks for the support of the right to express veiws.

I'll outline my position on Israel.

A couple of thousand years ago a nation lived in a land that they thought their prophet had given them after slaughtering its occupants. He was called Moses. He thought , according to them, that their god yaweh had given them this land in perpituatry.
They attempted to overthrow the occupying western army and in a 4 year war were comprehensively defeated, their temple that the whole of their faith rested on was trashed and they were scattered accross the world following the ensuing pograms.

In the early years of the 20thC following the defeat of the main Islamic power who had sided with Germany in WW1, Britian took over control of the terrain. Once more occupied by a non-muslim power, this provided the scattered remenants to visualise their dream. A holocaust by Germany in WW2killing a third of their numbers was the catalyst for a UN mandate. the world collectively decided to give them a tiny homeland covering roughly the area that their, in my opinion, imaginary deity had "promised them"

This is frankly a farcical claim to territory. If they wanted land, then why not give them a few thousand square miles of Canada? well, its because they needed a special city, one that their saviour would appear in, at some point, when he got round to it. This is ridiculous because if we all started wanting to go to the lands of our ancestors then Britain would claim France, France Britain, the Irish scotland and Norway and denmark all of the above countries and each other. Thats just sticking to northern europe!

Problem. The territory belonged to the locals, who had a few decades before started being called palastinians. Naturally this wasnt going to lead to cream buns, thoughtful debate and comprimise. it was going to lead to bloody protracted war. It did.
How very strange!+o(
Invasions in '47,'63, '67 and '73 and constant attacks since unto this day resulted in utter defeat for every country surrounding them. They claimed that Yaweh was protecting them. The other nations were puzzled about the defeats but put it down to a lack of faith and a test for them.:hmm:

Is Might Right? It shouldnt be, but unfortunatly until the world turns atheist then the problem wont be solved with peace. No centuries of arguements will make the Jews any less certain that one human in 2000BC heard the creator of the universe specifically parcel off a patch of desert for them, Ironically the only bit without oil!

Isreal has a right in my opinion to exist. it was created unlike most nations , by mandate and not war, but war is its unhappy past and its unhappy future.
It has a right to defend itself. if it flung 3700+ badly aimed rockets at civilain areas, I would denounce that just as i denounce Hamas.

If It sits there for ever and just takes the daily barrage, then its stupid. Rightious but stupid. Even a christian nation only takes turning the other cheek at pure lipservice, like they take the rest of their religion!

I thus repeat. if Isreal was to Bomb like Crazy, you would certainly know about it, and the world would come running again to the aid of the oppressed. Umm, thats the western world BTW!

i have great sympathy for the Palastinian position, as I certainly dont know the depths of their condition. I wonder if they might like to stop chucking rockets about, then they might see a change in that condition and some tempory and futile peace might break out again.

And thats it!

What happened in '63? You've mentioned it in your list of years but I have not read of any war that year.

Even if you accept that the Israeli's needed land what is your excuse for them now? They have a country but are still occupying and building settlements on land which is not theirs. They are also expanding into Palestine and building walls on land which again is not their own.
Since '48 has Israel done anything to indicate it wants peace? The answer is no. There has not been a single attempt at a peace process which was initiated by Israel. It is always the Arabs or international pressure which starts the peace initiatives. Lastly, who has broken the most peace agreements? Yep you guessed it; Israel.

 

[barney]

What happened in '63? You've mentioned it in your list of years but I have not read of any war that year.

Even if you accept that the Israeli's needed land what is your excuse for them now? They have a country but are still occupying and building settlements on land which is not theirs. They are also expanding into Palestine and building walls on land which again is not their own.
Since '48 has Israel done anything to indicate it wants peace? The answer is no. There has not been a single attempt at a peace process which was initiated by Israel. It is always the Arabs or International pressure which starts the peace initiatives. Lastly, who has broken the most peace agreements? Yep you guessed it; Israel.

My bad. Typo. 1969: War of attrition.

The rest of your points:
No excuse. they could shed their religion, and indeed should, as should everyone.Then there would be no need to fight at all. But if there was some tribal reasons still that caused disharmony, then just split the land 50/50.
Alternative is shipping either the Palastinains or the Jews to Canada or America or somewhere. Thats pretty silly.

As for Israels offers of peace, its much really about how genuine you consider the offers they make. You dont accept them so they wont work. They offer peace and make deals- you rocket them.
They do stupid things like build on disputed lands against UN mandates, so they renage on their deals.

Only real answer is secularism. Then what are they fighting over? a building with some nice decoration but no value.

 

[The_Prince]

actually barney, the only way Israel can wipe out their fellow enemies in the mid-east is by nukes, and you ask why they dont use it? because it would hurt them as well, they would need to use quite alot of nukes, and that many nukes being used so close to Israel, will eventually hurt them, and kill them off too, so thats why they dont use it.

but dont worry, 50 years from now, that wont be the case anymore as the Muslim countries in that area will have nukes themselves.

and you have still proven that you are a racist, as you gave no evidence to support your racist claim that the other Muslim Arab side would wipe Israel out to the last, so all you have is your racist rant.

 

[Dagless]

My bad. Typo. 1969: War of attrition.

The rest of your points:
No excuse. they could shed their religion, and indeed should, as should everyone.Then there would be no need to fight at all. But if there was some tribal reasons still that caused disharmony, then just split the land 50/50.
Alternative is shipping either the Palastinains or the Jews to Canada or America or somewhere. Thats pretty silly.

As for Israels offers of peace, its much really about how genuine you consider the offers they make. You dont accept them so they wont work. They offer peace and make deals- you rocket them.
They do stupid things like build on disputed lands against UN mandates, so they renage on their deals.

Only real answer is secularism. Then what are they fighting over? a building with some nice decoration but no value.

No, the alternative is not shipping anyone anywhere, its simply Israel withdrawing from the occupied territory.
Why does anyone need to shed their religion? Not all Jews want to wipe out Palestine, in fact a lot of Jews don't even want a Jewish state. Likewise not all Muslims want to wipe out a Jewish state.
In fact you can plainly see that most Muslim nations want an end to this conflict. If you look at the UN GA's yearly vote on a peaceful settlement on the question of Palestine, you find that every year the Arabs (unanimously), and every other nation apart from the US and Israel agree to the pre June '67 borders. Every year Israel and the US reject the proposal. This is consistent.
In 2002 the Arab League put forward the same offer as the general assembly (ie. '67 borders) but went above and beyond what was required of them. They said not only would they recognise Israel but they would rebuild economic, trade, and tourism relations with them. I mean seriously, can you imagine that gesture? Do you want to guess if Israel accepted? Just face facts, Israel do not want peace. They want to continue terrorizing innocent people.

 

[mahi]

Thanks for the support of the right to express veiws.

I'll outline my position on Israel.

A couple of thousand years ago a nation lived in a land that they thought their prophet had given them after slaughtering its occupants. He was called Moses. He thought , according to them, that their god yaweh had given them this land in perpituatry.
They attempted to overthrow the occupying western army and in a 4 year war were comprehensively defeated, their temple that the whole of their faith rested on was trashed and they were scattered accross the world following the ensuing pograms.

In the early years of the 20thC following the defeat of the main Islamic power who had sided with Germany in WW1, Britian took over control of the terrain. Once more occupied by a non-muslim power, this provided the scattered remenants to visualise their dream. A holocaust by Germany in WW2killing a third of their numbers was the catalyst for a UN mandate. the world collectively decided to give them a tiny homeland covering roughly the area that their, in my opinion, imaginary deity had "promised them"

This is frankly a farcical claim to territory. If they wanted land, then why not give them a few thousand square miles of Canada? well, its because they needed a special city, one that their saviour would appear in, at some point, when he got round to it. This is ridiculous because if we all started wanting to go to the lands of our ancestors then Britain would claim France, France Britain, the Irish scotland and Norway and denmark all of the above countries and each other. Thats just sticking to northern europe!

Problem. The territory belonged to the locals, who had a few decades before started being called palastinians. Naturally this wasnt going to lead to cream buns, thoughtful debate and comprimise. it was going to lead to bloody protracted war. It did.
How very strange!+o(
Invasions in '47,'63, '67 and '73 and constant attacks since unto this day resulted in utter defeat for every country surrounding them. They claimed that Yaweh was protecting them. The other nations were puzzled about the defeats but put it down to a lack of faith and a test for them.:hmm:

Is Might Right? It shouldnt be, but unfortunatly until the world turns atheist then the problem wont be solved with peace. No centuries of arguements will make the Jews any less certain that one human in 2000BC heard the creator of the universe specifically parcel off a patch of desert for them, Ironically the only bit without oil!

Isreal has a right in my opinion to exist. it was created unlike most nations , by mandate and not war, but war is its unhappy past and its unhappy future.
It has a right to defend itself. if it flung 3700+ badly aimed rockets at civilain areas, I would denounce that just as i denounce Hamas.

If It sits there for ever and just takes the daily barrage, then its stupid. Rightious but stupid. Even a christian nation only takes turning the other cheek at pure lipservice, like they take the rest of their religion!

I thus repeat. if Isreal was to Bomb like Crazy, you would certainly know about it, and the world would come running again to the aid of the oppressed. Umm, thats the western world BTW!

i have great sympathy for the Palastinian position, as I certainly dont know the depths of their condition. I wonder if they might like to stop chucking rockets about, then they might see a change in that condition and some tempory and futile peace might break out again.

And thats it!

Fair enough, I too am not against the idea of a Israeli/Jewish state, especially after the suffering in the holocaust. The manner in which it was created, was actually mainly war, displacing a million or so who had been living there, many who still are yet to have a home. But again, I don't mind Israel having a home. Its the Israeli antics that worry. Especially they're policy of expansion by kicking others out their home. And on the topic of Hamas throwing rockets, neither side are innocent. To be honest, Israel has probably been the cause of most of these. You kill someones family, they'd want revenge. But again, pointless to go into that, if we go into who started it, we'd probably have to go back as far as our historical records go.

Also, you mentioned that there won't be peace until everyone becomes atheist. How so? What if atheists decide money is important, and decide to conquer land for riches? What if they desire power? What stops atheists from going around killing who they want? Raping who they want? Morales, or rules that don't even apply to them? Sorry, peace itself is quite a tough issue.

Anyways, my main point.

I've been on about a gazillion forums, each arguing who's wrong, Israel or Hamas, Israel of Hizballah etc etc for years now. What a waste of time, no? What good does that go? Talk about solutions! How peace can be achieved!
Google the 'Geneva Initiative' as a starting point! Discuss peace! You never know, what you discuss here could be a starting point to peace. Better than arguing over who has the high ground anyone.

Peace be with everyone, literally.

 

[barney]

actually barney, the only way Israel can wipe out their fellow enemies in the mid-east is by nukes, and you ask why they dont use it? because it would hurt them as well, they would need to use quite alot of nukes, and that many nukes being used so close to Israel, will eventually hurt them, and kill them off too, so thats why they dont use it.

but dont worry, 50 years from now, that wont be the case anymore as the Muslim countries in that area will have nukes themselves.

and you have still proven that you are a racist, as you gave no evidence to support your racist claim that the other Muslim Arab side would wipe Israel out to the last, so all you have is your racist rant.

Agree about the nukes. They wont use em. The fallout would make the whole area untenable.

I dont need to provide proofs really. You already know what they are.
The slogans and mottos of from the river to the sea Maps of palastine containing all of current Israel, Ahmadinajads rants to wipe Israel off the map alongside his craving for a nice peaceful nuke power station to power his peaceful nation. If only he had a drop of oil for oil power he would have no need eh?!
You know all this, but just choose to ignore it. why?Well its Israel isnt it? its full of, Jews. theyre pigs and monkeys and the stones will call out to the belivers when they hide behind them. They are the worst of creatures yada yada yada.

I have no flag to wave for the Jews. Their original birth of the nation, even if based on a UN mandate, was founded on hallucinations thousands of years back. you may call me racist, but im a humanist, which is the opposite of a racist. I see no need for nations eventually, just humanity.

I'm antitheist, sure. I'd rather people embrace reality and see theism as the biggest and greatest obstacle to peace between all peoples. This is no more of a pipedream than The world submitting to Bhuddism or Islam or Christianity.

A racist is someone who holds predjudice against another based on race. I see no need for race.
Hope that explains , as well as deflates your assumptions.:hiding: