11 Year Old Gives Birth

[Muslim Woman]

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[★ηαѕιнα★]

Mary was pregnant at 11 and had Jesus at 12. In Islam the only requirement is marriage before sex so I don't know why you are focused on how old someone is. Must be Apostates or something.

Yeah but women back then were matured at a young age. Not like now!
11 years...my little sister is 13 and still a baby!! OMG
And people please... as sis said lets just all get along.

 

[Uthman]

a reminder to all : please don't attack each other , it's not allowed in the forum

What the sister said. ^^

 

[Supreme]

Speak for YOUR race, NOT mine!! The 11 year old involved is PREGNANT, therefore she is a young woman, not a mere "child". You said that "no" 11 year old has fully undergone puberty. So then, do you know every single living 11 yo on the planet to verify that blatant broadband statement? You make me laugh. How can you make a statement like that if you have not seen every 11 yo in existence on the planet? It's plain illogic to make such unfounded statements without PROOF first!! Secondly you are plain wrong. I told you about different hominid races before. I told you that my race is 100% fully developed by 12, and we are able to produce perfectly healthy offspring by age 9. Just because YOUR race is so inferior not to be able to do that is no reason for you to get jealous of our superiority!

So you're a racist now as well as an activist of peadophiles? It just doesn't get any better! Before you go on about this nonsense about your race maturing before others, I can point out to you that other than skin tone and slight physical features, there is no difference between races- not in terms of height, intelligence or at what age is becomes acceptable to have sex at! But even if that were the case, even if children did mature sexually earlier, do their minds become perverted younger too? You have to think about the psychological development too.

"No" Christian in existence? there you go again! So what you have said to me is that you know every single living Christian on the planet? Are you sure that you don't think YOURSELF as God to know SO MUCH? LOL. You obviously don't know every single Mormon in Utah.

Yep. Being a Christian means you have to be moral to at least some degree. There is nothing moral about children having sex, thus no Christian would think it right. Also, Mormons aren't orthodox Christians; heck, I'm not sure they even qualify as Christians.

Your argument is audacious, treacherous and presumptuous beyond belief. If it was such "common sense" then WHY did religion need to spoon feed with such fundamental commonsense not to steal or kill? I would have thought THAT would have been just plain common sense!! Yet in the 10 commandments it states some of the most common sense things such as "Thou shalt not steal". As Muslim Woman also stated, everything is permitted that is not forbidden in the Quran. "One would have thought"?, LOL! Yeah, says who?? and that "one" is YOU thinking that, NOT ME! And neither have you proof that your purported "one" are all Muslims and Christians thoughout history.

...Well, I'd say that murder and theft were included because they were common and prevelant amongst the Jews than having sex with little girls!

 

[cat eyes]

when you reach puberty yes it dose mean you are ready for sex but it dose not mean you are mentally ready for marriage. 11year olds of today are totally different in the sense that they are not mentally mature! might be some are but not all

 

[Karl]

when you reach puberty yes it dose mean you are ready for sex but it dose not mean you are mentally ready for marriage

Who is "you" though? Maybe SOME are this way but it doesn't mean one is NOT mentally prepared either. My daughter was completely mentally prepared by age 8 to marry. So it just depends on the individual really, and also what sort of information the parents have also provided in advance of marriage.

11year olds of today are totally different in the sense that they are not mentally mature! might be some are but not all

You might see a lot of this today in the West than in the past, but this has been due to the new inane Western culture of molly coddling juvenilization of young people and the compulsory extended state education (indoctrination) system which has caused an alarming degree of holding back and immaturity in young people. So I do agree that it is not uncommon to encounter 11 year olds these days that seem to be more like 3 year olds than 11 year old youths. It's pitiful really.

 

[ardianto]

Ok, so let's talk science. No 11 year old has fully undergone puberty. Understand! Menstruation does not qualify as passing puberty, especially as it can be a very early stage!

11 years old girl is still a child, not yet a woman. Too young to marry, too young to has a baby.

 

[Karl]

So you're a racist now as well as an activist of peadophiles?

Since when did recognising race become "racism"?? Racism is discriminative. Recognising race itself is NOT discriminative. Drawing your long bow, as usual.

I'm and "activist of paedophiles"? For your information I do not even RECOGNISE this word "paedophilia'. The very concept of so-called "paedophilia" as something on it's own right is a newly founded secular one. "Paedophilia" is simply not conceptualised in Islam. And neither is this a word I conceptualize as well. THEREFORE HOW can I POSSIBLY be an "advocate" of "paedophilia" if I simply do not recognise the divisive secular word to BEGIN WITH? As far as I am concerned it is a word from the camp of pseudoscience, NOT Islam. And seeing pseudoscience is my enemy then too is my resistance of employing psycho babble terminology.

It just doesn't get any better! Before you go on about this nonsense about your race maturing before others

Nonsense? Really?? How do you know this if you haven't even SEEN me??? For you to claim your analysis and knowledge of me before you have even EXAMINED me is the most ludicrous kind of science I have ever heard of!

I can point out to you that other than skin tone and slight physical features, there is no difference between races- not in terms of height, intelligence or at what age is becomes acceptable to have sex at!

Thank you for the most preposterous statement I have heard of in all time!!! LOL.

"Slight" physical differences?? Certainly not the way I see it!! I can tell you right away that the physical differences between ME and a South East Asian, for example, are PROFOUND! For a start, comparing me to them is like comparing a Clydesdale horse to a Shetland pony or a white pointer shark to a dolphin. Teutonics do NOT have "slight" physical differnces in features to an Indian or Indonesian!! GET YOUR EYES CHECKED! The differences are WELL MARKED! And if you don't see that then my ability to observe difference is much more acute than your ability!

"Not is terms of height"?? LOL again. So a pygmy African or an Indonesian reaches the same height as a Norseman or a Zulu??? Ok well whatever you say, afterall you're the expert! Yes the joke doesn't get better!! I've fallen completely off my seat in laughter now. If you keep this going, I may die of laughter, so no doubt you will continue with this joke and then you can be rid of my existence forever!

"or at what age is becomes acceptable to have sex at!"

So also say the armies of anti Islamic enemies on youtube as well, so you are not alone. You have many allies! Your race is not ready for sexual interaction until the "Magic Age" of 18, therefore this explains further why you and I are of a completely different species. My species are able to indulge in full sexual intercourse at HALF that age. My daughter had healthy strong big babies since she was 9, and I have not detected even ONE thing to suggest that her having babies at 9 was a negative thing! I am a proud grandfather! What more could I want?:statisfie

But even if that were the case, even if children did mature sexually earlier, do their minds become perverted younger too? You have to think about the psychological development too.

Not an argument as far as I'm concerned. All mammals are born with the inherent psychological ability to express and appreciate sexual play from a very early age. Early sexual play is seen in dolphins, bonobo monkeys (to name a tiny few species it's been documented to have been prevalent with), and it is also a very natural, normal and healthy thing for MY hominid species as well. So NEVER you dare try and dictate to MY soecies what is "good" or "bad" for us, because you know what? I am never going to take one scrap of notice in what you say!

What do you also mean by "perverted"? No doubt we have completely different definitions of what that actually IS! I might regard two old men together in bed or adultery as "perversion" but don't regard the wholesomeness and sanctity of marriage as "perverted"! But no doubt it's probably the complete opposite for you. lol

So yes, the absurdity of all this just doesn't get any better! Thanks for your comedy!

And thanks for yours. As I said, you may be lucky to kill me from laughing at your brazen absurdities.

Yep. Being a Christian means you have to be moral to at least some degree.

It depends how one draws their own moral conclusions. That is your own subjective evaluation that early marriage is inherently "immoral', but Not Islam, and Not Christianity! You find me the unequivocal texts in either Islam OR Christianity, because I have been trying to hunt high and low for it and still haven't found it!

There is nothing moral about children having sex

Says who in particular??? Maybe Christianity does NOT state this. Maybe Christianity has not stated outright that "child sex is moral" BUT it has NOT also stated that "child" sex is IMmoral either!!

thus no Christian would think it right.

Wrong again. There are MANY Christians who regard child sexual interaction as a perfectly permissible thing provided that it is within the context of MARRIAGE. You now gonna start claiming now that they are all false Christians?? Right??

Also, Mormons aren't orthodox Christians; heck, I'm not sure they even qualify as Christians.

There you go again with more antagonizing, disrespectful and highly offensive insults towards any Christian denomination that doesn't happen to accord to your ways of thinking. Disgusting.

...Well, I'd say that murder and theft were included because they were common and prevelant amongst the Jews than having sex with little girls!

Ummm, early sexual relations was very very usual back in the times when the torah, bible and Quran were written. You need to relook at your history books. Be warned though, you might have a complete mental breakdown and be turned into a neurotic basket case if you study your history thoroughly enough. lol.

 

[Karl]

11 years old girl is still a child, not yet a woman. Too young to marry, too young to has a baby.

How DARE you imply that GENERICALLY! Speak for your OWN kind, NOT mine!! 11 year olds of MY race are NOT mere "children", we are YOUTHS on the cusp of fully fledged adulthood! We are NOT "too young" to marry and we are NOT too young to have babies! It utterly amazes me why so many Muslims seem to be now siding with the likes of "Supreme" and the anti Islamic infidels who attack Islam over this issue. Don't you realise that all you are doing is jumping ship to their side? For your information, Islam does NOT deem it "too early" to marry at that age! Where in the quran does it say that marrying at 11 is "too young"? Why do you also insult the prophet (pbuh) who married Aisha at 6? You should know that you offend him! :raging::raging::raging::raging::raging:

Your statements are highly anti Islamic in sentiment.

 

[ardianto]

How DARE you imply that GENERICALLY! Speak for your OWN kind, NOT mine!! 11 year olds of MY race are NOT mere "children", we are YOUTHS on the cusp of fully fledged adulthood! We are NOT "too young" to marry and we are NOT too young to have babies! It utterly amazes me why so many Muslims seem to be now siding with the likes of "Supreme" and the anti Islamic infidels who attack Islam over this issue. Don't you realise that all you are doing is jumping ship to their side? For your information, Islam does NOT deem it "too early" to marry at that age! Where in the quran does it say that marrying at 11 is "too young"? Why do you also insult the prophet (pbuh) who married Aisha at 6? You should know that you offend him! :raging::raging::raging::raging::raging:

Your statements are highly anti Islamic in sentiment.

I have read again my statement dozens times, and I did not see any word that insult Rasulullah (saw). Also, as a Muslim I will not make an anti-Islam statement.

 

[Karl]

So i'm a communist/secularist and an enemy of islam now?

Yes, I consider you an enemy of Islam, and you and the likes of Supreme will always be my most hated enemy until the bitter end. You and him are not alone though. There are many enemies of Islam and this includes millions of them who refer to themselves as "Muslim". These include not only apostates, but armies of imposters on the internet posing as "Muslims" trying to get inside Islam to tear it down by process of attrition, rather than trying to destroy it up front and head on.

and this coming from someone named "karl"? yea good one kid!

Yes I am a convert, I don't mind admiting that. I converted because my wife bought me to the right way of Allah. Just because I am a convert doesn't automatically give you the position of being able to claim me of being the pot calling kettle black. Not on one occasion have I said anything unequivocally against quranic teachings. I am fiercely against Islam being amended by extraneous insidious secular ideology, and i will resist it with whatever it takes.

Please use your brain even if slightly! the scholars can make ruling against something even if there was no ruling before, if it is necessary.

Nonsense. Imposing something that is not forbidden in the quran is NOT "scholarship", it is outright APOSTASY and HERESY. Furthermore, who is to say if something is "necessary" or not? It's purely a subjective call, and your definition of "necessary" is completely different to what many other Muslims would deem necessary. It is unIslamic to impose laws that are not written into the Islamic sources! According to you, the "scholars" when they just so happen to feel that it is "necessary" can conveniently change Halal to Haram and Haram to Halal. LOL. Furthermore, regarding this "age of marriage" rubbish that secularists instigated and that you think is the "be all and end all" is NOT supported by the reputable and authentic Islamic scholars!! Halal can NOT be changed to Haram!!! Trying to claim so is the utmost heresy!!

 

[Karl]

I have read again my statement dozens times, and I did not see any word that insult Rasulullah (saw). Also, as a Muslim I will not make an anti-Islam statement.

It's your broad generic statements that anger me and offend the prophet (pbuh). You DO offend prophet Muhammed (phuh). Why? Want me to spell it out for you? Ok well he married Aisha at 6 and consumated marriage when she was 9. And then you have now dictated arrogantly here that "an" 11 year old is "just a child", "not a woman", "too young too marry". Go figure why your remarks are highly offensive! SURELY you must realise that your statements are highly provocational and offensive?

If you said instead something like "my own 11 year old is too young to marry" then it wouldnt be so bad, but when you generically claim that "all" 11 year olds across the board "are too young to marry", then this is a highly antagonistic statement to make!

 

[Karl]

Yeah but women back then were matured at a young age. Not like now!
11 years...my little sister is 13 and still a baby!! OMG
And people please... as sis said lets just all get along.

To begin with, you failed to note my important point that under Islam the only requirement before sexual or erotic relationships is MARRIAGE! Age per se is completely irrelevant!

"my little sister is 13 and still a baby!!"

I am so sorry to hear that she has such a chronic condition. I must emphasis though, it is not compulsory to get married if one doesn want to. So your sister who is in napkins at 13 can stay with a pacifier in her mouth until she is 50 or all her life if she wants. So no problem right? Nonetheless, it is NOT forbidden under Islam for a "baby" to get married. Also be careful not to confuse sexual intercourse (penile to vaginal contact) with erotic and sensual love-- the two are NOT the same and one. Under Islam, it is generally recommended that sexual intercourse should not take place until AFTER menses. So any of those here who seem to think that I am advocating full sexual intercouse before menses, then let me remind you AGAIN, that I do not advocate that full sexual intercouse takes place until after MENSES. This is because of potential physical harm done if the female is too underdeveloped. BUT I would however emphasis that it is completely irrelevant at what age the sensual and erotic sides of love making between husband and wife occur. This is because there is scientifically no risk of physical harm being caused by erotic/sensual "outercourse" or "foreplay" as it's sometimes called.

 

[cat eyes]

Who is "you" though? Maybe SOME are this way but it doesn't mean one is NOT mentally prepared either. My daughter was completely mentally prepared by age 8 to marry.

your daughter got married at age 8? if you dont mind me asking why you married her so young? and how she will be able to go to school when she starts having kids??:hmm:

 

[Uthman]

Let's all tone it down a notch please. Brother Karl, you're welcome to make your points but please stop calling Muslim members enemies of Islam and likening them to apostates. Thanks.

 

[Karl]

your daughter got married at age 8? if you dont mind me asking why you married her so young?

It's an old familily tradition that goes back centuries, and I will NOT change that tradition just to try and appease my anti-Islamic enemies. I married her off at that age because I wanted her married off before she reached puberty. I don't want her still around the house at 10. Also a friend of mine wanted to marry her, and furthermore she was enthusiastic about it as well. So no problem. It's a very successful marriage and she is now 10 with a big strong healthy 1 year old son:statisfie

and how she will be able to go to school when she starts having kids??:hmm:

She doesn't NEED to go to school. Her husband is the provider. And I don't believe in female schooling anyway. I believe the education place for her is in the HOME, learning how to provide the skills to raise her offspring, to learn domestic sciences and keep the household running properly.

 

[Karl]

Let's all tone it down a notch please. Brother Karl, you're welcome to make your points but please stop calling Muslim members enemies of Islam and likening them to apostates. Thanks.

Sorry Brother Uthmān, I will try and bring it down a bit. Please note though that I did not actually declare him an apostate, I merely said I consider him as that after he asked me if I thought that. I think there is quite a difference declaring someone as something and merely regarding them as something. Also I would have thought that making roundabout defacto attacks against the prophet (pbuh) and all things Halal would qualify as "anti-Islamic" statements to make. He also offends the Islamic wholesome clean sanctity of marriage by referring to those such as my son in law as "perverts". So I would hope you would understand that I find that to be slanderous and highly offensive to say the least, and I am also astonished why people are allowed to post offensive remarks like that here, especially the ones who have themselves registered as Muslims. They should know better not to speak in that manner. I would hope that you can empathise with my anger over having my son in law called a "pervert", especially by a Muslim of all people; yet there is nothing whatsoever "perverted" at all about it. My daughter's marriage is completely HALAL. It is 100% sanctified under Islam and it highly disappoints me when I see the occasional Muslim uttering the very same secular catch cries and bigotries uttered by the atheists and socialistsimsad

Anyway, I will try more to keep my anger towards my enemies down and keep it more civil.

 

[★ηαѕιнα★]

To begin with, you failed to note my important point that under Islam the only requirement before sexual or erotic relationships is MARRIAGE! Age per se is completely irrelevant!

"my little sister is 13 and still a baby!!"

I am so sorry to hear that she has such a chronic condition. I must emphasis though, it is not compulsory to get married if one doesn want to. So your sister who is in napkins at 13 can stay with a pacifier in her mouth until she is 50 or all her life if she wants. So no problem right? Nonetheless, it is NOT forbidden under Islam for a "baby" to get married. Also be careful not to confuse sexual intercourse (penile to vaginal contact) with erotic and sensual love-- the two are NOT the same and one. Under Islam, it is generally recommended that sexual intercourse should not take place until AFTER menses. So any of those here who seem to think that I am advocating full sexual intercouse before menses, then let me remind you AGAIN, that I do not advocate that full sexual intercouse takes place until after MENSES. This is because of potential physical harm done if the female is too underdeveloped. BUT I would however emphasis that it is completely irrelevant at what age the sensual and erotic sides of love making between husband and wife occur. This is because there is scientifically no risk of physical harm being caused by erotic/sensual "outercourse" or "foreplay" as it's sometimes called.

Alhamdoellilah brother I would actually have red that post if it didnt start with
"I am so sorry to hear that she has such a chronic condition."
A very unpleasant way of posting you have alhamdoellilah.
Anyway I will remove myself from this discussion inshallah.

 

[cat eyes]

islam has been misunderstood because of the assholes who are flashing young little half naked 8year old women is white little skimpy wedding dresses and packed full of make up, tell me is this islam???

Brother karl i have nothing against the fact you married your daughter at that age but the fact that what vids my brother has been watching for his reason that he hates islam

i wont say anything else more on this topic...

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salam/Peace 11 yr old Brit girl gives birth to illegal child and Muslims participants are engaged in a heated debate here ? What's the use of the thread ? Should not it be closed now ?