11 Year Old Gives Birth

['Abd Al-Maajid]

^ I was going to tell this too...The girl gave birth to a child before marriage and that's it!!!! There's no point in debating on girls' age...do hell with the age if she has committed zina...

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

^ do hell with the age if she has committed zina...

yes , if a 20 + or 30 + gives birth of a baby outside marriage , it's a major sin . If a 11 yrs old becomes mom through a valid process ( not a forced marriage , no one should object . Early marriage is not a must neither it's haram .And Allah knows Best.

 

[tetsujin]

I don't wish to be a part of this conversation but I do want to clarify something.

For your information I do not even RECOGNISE this word "paedophilia'. The very concept of so-called "paedophilia" as something on it's own right is a newly founded secular one. "Paedophilia" is simply not conceptualised in Islam.

Paedophilia as a term or concept exists. Defined by the World Health Organization as "A sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."

Whether or not it is ethical to engage in sexual acts with children or whether you are offended by the implication that the prophet was a paedophile, is irrelevant. You're free to make your own judgments on morality.

Many concepts and theories are not covered in the Quran. That does not negate their existence.

 

[revert2007]

Mary was pregnant at 11 and had Jesus at 12. In Islam the only requirement is marriage before sex so I don't know why you are focused on how old someone is. Must be Apostates or something.

PLease do not compare that girl with Marry R.A.Marry R.A is the most innocent and honorable woman described in quran and how can u compare this girl to Marry R.A.Marry r.a had a miraculous birth with Allah's will and she has no power to avoide it.but this girl has the free will to avoide things if parents take care of their children well.

when someone have daugther,your eyes must be on here 24/7 and watch with whom she is talking and with whom she is being friend with.usually the most cases of rape is done by people that the victim knows and recognise.


this is what will happen if people do not follow teaching of true religion and allows free mixing among the sexes.

May Allah protect ourselves and our family from this kind of fitnah.ameen

 

[islamirama]

islam has been misunderstood because of the assholes who are flashing young little half naked 8year old women is white little skimpy wedding dresses and packed full of make up, tell me is this islam???

Exactly! What we have here is a a classic case of a convert gone extremist in his zealous for Islam. When a person converts to Islam, there are three paths go afterwards. One path is to become muslim but still live their kuffar way of life and not really make any changes in their lives. Second way is to mingle with Muslims and learn from them and become a regular practicing muslim. third way, is the over zealous, tunnel vision who thinks what they believe is the right Islam and everyone else is an apostate or enemy of Islam. Karl might want to visit www.aussiemuslims.com forum, he'll fit right in with those demented tunnel vision "salafis"...

 

[Grofica]

I dont know i am sort of against having kids that young married or not... at that age a gal just doesnt know enough. there was a girl i went to school with and she had a boy when she was 12... granted i could write A LOT of adjectives about her but anyway...

she is a little warped now and i think it sort of ruined her... she still talks and acts like a 12 year old she is forever stunted by it...

 

[revert2007]

How DARE you imply that GENERICALLY! Speak for your OWN kind, NOT mine!! 11 year olds of MY race are NOT mere "children", we are YOUTHS on the cusp of fully fledged adulthood! We are NOT "too young" to marry and we are NOT too young to have babies! It utterly amazes me why so many Muslims seem to be now siding with the likes of "Supreme" and the anti Islamic infidels who attack Islam over this issue. Don't you realise that all you are doing is jumping ship to their side? For your information, Islam does NOT deem it "too early" to marry at that age! Where in the quran does it say that marrying at 11 is "too young"? Why do you also insult the prophet (pbuh) who married Aisha at 6? You should know that you offend him! :raging::raging::raging::raging::raging:

Your statements are highly anti Islamic in sentiment.

I wish non Muslims will read this.If it is ok for someone who is 11 years old in year 2010 to get married and have babies...it is also ok for Aisha r.a to get married at the age of nine 1430 years ago.

in Islam once a girl get puberty,she is considered an adult and her body is well prepared for motherhood.

if a gilr who is 17 yet reached puberty,she is still considered as a child and not as an adult.

Subahana Allah..this is to prove to disbelievers that marriage between Aishah r.a and Muahmmad pbuh was natural and ok and permissible by The Creator.and who gave the rights to disbelievers to judge Muhammad pbuh? adn call him with some names..?

I know what am saying si not related to above thread but this is an eye opener for all disbeleivers before they accuse of beloved prohet muhammad pbuh.

Allah knows the best.

 

[MMohammed]

When its said Karl that her mother was very surprised to know this, don't you think its outside a marriage even if she marry at 11?
May Allah prevent us from Evil.Astaghfirullah.
Mohammed.

 

[Karl]

Salam/Peace 11 yr old Brit girl gives birth to illegal child and Muslims participants are engaged in a heated debate here ? What's the use of the thread ? Should not it be closed now ?

Sister, Trolls like to open these kind of threads as a roundabout method of attackimg Islam. Although Islam is opposed to fornication, it is nonetheless IRRELEVANT what lunar age the young lady is. Notice that the creator of this thread had made no real attack on the fornication aspect of the case, but has instead made the attack purely of the basis of her NUMERICAL AGE. This kind of attack makes no sense coming from a "Muslim". Yes the sex out of wedlock from an Islamic point of view is zina, but hey, if zina is to be attacked then half the women of Britain are to blame for this. Then again, they are Brits, not Muslims, so even the zina thing is completely irrelevant as well. I completely agree with you that no Muslim should be putting up such threads.

 

[islamirama]

Sister, Trolls like to open these kind of threads as a roundabout method of attackimg Islam.
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So I'm a troll now who likes to attack Islam indirectly? I've gotten infractions and bans for just arguing let alone calling others kuffars, apostates, trolls and enemies of islam, what side of mgmt behind are you kissing so much that they letting you rant on forever?

btw, can you give your 8yr old in marriage to me? You got me all interested in marrying your grown up adult daughter now.

 

[Karl]

I don't wish to be a part of this conversation but I do want to clarify something.



Paedophilia as a term or concept exists. Defined by the World Health Organization as "A sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."

Whether or not it is ethical to engage in sexual acts with children or whether you are offended by the implication that the prophet was a paedophile, is irrelevant. You're free to make your own judgments on morality.

Many concepts and theories are not covered in the Quran. That does not negate their existence.

But I do not recognise non Islamic organizations, especially those from the West or those instigated by the West. I do not recognise outfits such as the World Health Organization, or the United Nations and its many other global Marxist affiliates such as UNESCO, UNICEF etc etc. They are Western secular organizations that I simply ignore and am an enemy of. Furthermore, I notice that this "World Health Organization" has attempted to expand the definition of so-called "paedophilia" to include those in early pubertal stage as well! LOL. This is treachery at its worst and even conflicts with the secularists' original clinical definition of "paedophilia" which states that it must be strictly PREpubescent, not youth as well! The perfectly normal attraction to a 9 or 10 year old pubescent youth is strictly speaking "hebephilia", not "paedophilia". It's become so ludicrous these days that I have encountered those who refer to 40 year olds who court 20 year olds as "paedophiles". The word has become so meaningless at the hands of the moronic Western masses, and that is another reason why it is a word I choose not to employ. Besides, even if the word WAS accurately used in its original definition, it seems to me to be a completely pointless to even clinically profile "paedophilia" in the FIRST place. It's as pointless and ridiculous as making a clinical word to describe someone who is attracted to someone else with certain colour hair or eyes.

 

[Karl]

Exactly! What we have here is a a classic case of a convert gone extremist in his zealous for Islam. When a person converts to Islam, there are three paths go afterwards. One path is to become muslim but still live their kuffar way of life and not really make any changes in their lives. Second way is to mingle with Muslims and learn from them and become a regular practicing muslim. third way, is the over zealous, tunnel vision who thinks what they believe is the right Islam and everyone else is an apostate or enemy of Islam. Karl might want to visit www.aussiemuslims.com forum, he'll fit right in with those demented tunnel vision "salafis"...

I'm an "extremist"??? LOL. Extremists are terrorists who blow up trains and buildings, but if you think that me following the sunnah is "extremist" then you have a pretty strange definition of it. The Zionist kuffars label anyone who is orthodox Muslims as "extremists" and kuffar apostates as "moderate Muslims". That's how their media propaganda machine labels people. Basically if any Muslim does not cooperate with Western newly founded moralities, ideologies, politics etc then they are labelled "extremists". They slander Muslim fundamentalists as "extremists". That's how dirty these Western Zionists play.

 

[Grofica]

With all this fighting in here over age cant everyone agree that:

what it means to be 11 now is NOTHING like it was to be 11 in years before us. especially in the west. 11 year old NOW are kids...

BEFORE: kids were taught how to be adult.... young women were taught how to cook and clean and take care of the house and care for children and the importance of not spending too much money and a million other tasks that i probably dont even know at well... older

NOW: kids scream at their mom, shot people, play psp, and well thats about it...

Number age matters NOW because we dont have young adults we have a bunch of bad *** kids that need a spanking...

heck we have 18 -19 year old KIDS that dont even know how to clean their room or cook... and the microwave doesnt count...

shoot im uhmmm old and the only thing i know how to cook is how what my mother in law taught me cause my mother (i grew up in the west) cooked by calling dominoes or pizza hut or anything else that delivered....

age isnt the problem its the problem with how 99.9% of KIDS are at that age in this TIME....

 

[Karl]

With all this fighting in here over age cant everyone agree that:

what it means to be 11 now is NOTHING like it was to be 11 in years before us. especially in the west. 11 year old NOW are kids...

BEFORE: kids were taught how to be adult.... young women were taught how to cook and clean and take care of the house and care for children and the importance of not spending too much money and a million other tasks that i probably dont even know at well... older

NOW: kids scream at their mom, shot people, play psp, and well thats about it...

Number age matters NOW because we dont have young adults we have a bunch of bad *** kids that need a spanking...

heck we have 18 -19 year old KIDS that dont even know how to clean their room or cook... and the microwave doesnt count...

shoot im uhmmm old and the only thing i know how to cook is how what my mother in law taught me cause my mother (i grew up in the west) cooked by calling dominoes or pizza hut or anything else that delivered....

age isnt the problem its the problem with how 99.9% of KIDS are at that age in this TIME....

At the end of the day, all this sort of matter should be completely down to parental prerogative and discretion. It is a DOMESTIC matter, NOT a SOCIAL matter! I don't know how many times I have had to say this: Parents should raise their OWN offspring as they see fit. Therefore this debate is completely IRRELEVANT anyway! You can use YOUR discretion what "age" you think YOUR offpring can marry, and I shall do the same! How I raise my offspring and when they marry is no one's business except MINE. And when YOUR sons or daughters marry is also not one scrap of MY business as well. To hell with busybody socialists! :raging::raging:They need to be fiercely defied and FAUGHT at all cost!!! :raging:

 

[MMohammed]

You didnt answer my post, Karl.
Children should be raised according to the principles of Islam.Don't make or alter the teachings of Rasulallah(S.A).Before waging a verbal war against others, see what are you saying.Don't preach wrong Islam.

 

[Muslim Woman]

can you give your 8yr old in marriage to me? You got me all interested in marrying your grown up adult daughter now.

it's not a must for any parent to arrange marriage of their 8 yrs old girl with a stranger . I don't agree with br Karl's all comments about u but I find it strange that you are giving him such a proposal specially when you are against young marriage.

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

^plan a rendezvous then...;D

 

[Karl]

You didnt answer my post, Karl.
Children should be raised according to the principles of Islam.Don't make or alter the teachings of Rasulallah(S.A).Before waging a verbal war against others, see what are you saying.Don't preach wrong Islam.

I agree with you, brother. I am sorry if I said any misleading or misunderstood statements. MUSLIM parents should raise their offspring according to the principles of Islam. COMPLETELY AGREE.:statisfie

But we must remember though that not everyone is a Muslim, so that was what I was trying to point out. What I meant was that parents should raise their own offspring according to what religion (or irreligion) they subscribe to. Naturally a Christian will raise their offspring as Christians, Hindus as Hindus, Muslims and Muslims, Sikhs as Sikhs, atheists as atheists, communists as communists etc etc. I am a Muslim so I therefore will raise my own offspring by the ways of Islam.:cresentbl