why do Christians celebrate Easter?

[جوري]

'Bar none' is used in the wrong context here- bar means except. Rather, a more grammatically acceptable statement would be 'Your religion is paganistic- period!'

Etymology

• Possibly a shortened form of "to bar none" or "barring none".

[edit] Adverb

bar none

1. (idiomatic) Without exception; excluding nothing else of the same kind.
   • 1913, Zane Grey, Desert Gold, ch. 4, Mexican horses are the finest in the world, bar none.
   • 1922, James Joyce, Ulysses, ch. 16, . . . Ireland, or something of that sort, which he described in his lengthy dissertation as the richest country bar none on the face of God's earth.
   but if it makes you feel any better your religion is paganistic period!

Zoroastranism was the first monotheistic religion in recorded history- your erroneous concept of 'paganism' is limited to merely being synonymous with 'un-Islamic', and even then it's applied incorrectly.

Zoroastrianism, according to tradition, was founded by Zoroaster after he received a vision in which he was introduced to Ahura Mazda, and told of the great God and his adversary. He saw other radiant figures too, but could not see his shadow on the ground, a sign which convince Zoroaster his vision was authentic. This was the first of several visions in which Ahura Mazda conversed with him. The vision is alluded to in the Cathas (Y 43) and briefly described in the Pahlavi work (Zadspram XX-XXI). It was the knowledge gained from these visions which caused Zoroaster to designate Ahura Mazda as master of asha, order, righteousness, and justice; proclaiming him to be the one uncreated God, existing eternally, and Creator of all else that is good including all other beneficent divinities.

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Read more here if interested:

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/z/zoroastrianism.html

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2. 

Main Entry: pa·gan
Pronunciation: \ˈpā-gən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latin pangere to fix — more at pact
Date: 14th century
1 : heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion


poly = means many, multiple.. so when you don't believe in a monotheistic God or when your god has an adversary or two other heads it makes you a pagan!


all the best

 

[Supreme]

If that definition is correct, why would you classify Christians and Zoroastrians as pagans? Both are monotheistic religions. I'm not insulting you Gossamer, I'm just curious.

 

[جوري]

Did you read the definition, specifically this part: : a follower of a polytheistic religion
and further the definition of what a polytheist is?

I am seldom insulted by anything any member here writes here (it i just a forum) although I can be annoyed when folks wear out my patience and time!

all the best

 

[freethinking]

Your religion is paganistic bar none!




did your god ask you to celebrate his death or birth for that matter? if he didn't then frankly anything you incorporate whether you think you thought it up or borrowed it is in fact paganistic.. you appear to be the one who is confused!

all the best

Yes he did, see the last Supper, it is in all the Gospels

Bless you

 

[Supreme]

Did you read the definition, specifically this part: : a follower of a polytheistic religion
and further the definition of what a polytheist is?

I am seldom insulted by anything any member here writes here (it i just a forum) although I can be annoyed when folks wear out my patience and time!

all the best

Yes, I read the definition:

pa·gan (pgn)
n.
1. An adherent of a polytheistic religion in antiquity, especially when viewed in contrast to an adherent of a monotheistic religion.
2. A Neopagan.
3. Offensive
a. One who has no religion.
b. An adherent of a religion other than Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
4. A hedonist.

Your assertion is erroneous, at least when we look at the semantics of the word 'pagan'.

 

[جوري]

Yes he did, see the last Supper, it is in all the Gospels

Bless you

Show me the passage where your god states I am going to forsake myself and I desire my worshipers to celebrate the occasion!

Yes, I read the definition:


Your assertion is erroneous, at least when we look at the semantics of the word 'pagan'.

Not everyone subscribes to 'semantics' especially considering that the criteria for a pagan is a polytheist both Christianity and Zoroastrianism are paganistic in that regard because both have more than one God.. it doesn't matter how many tantrums you throw about that.. your beliefs and logic are at odds if you think that Jesus (god the father) and the holy spirit aren't separate entities but three separate ineffectual gods each with his own will, one praying not to be forsaken, one forsaking (imagine his own 'son' what he'd do to the rest of the foolish humanity) and the last hovering around saul because he couldn't chose apostles that will shoulder the responsibility while he was 'alive'

all the best

 

[Supreme]

Not everyone subscribes to 'semantics' especially considering that the criteria for a pagan is a polytheist both Christianity and Zoroastrianism are paganistic in that regard because both have more than one God.. it doesn't matter how many tantrums you throw about that.. your beliefs and logic are at odds if you think that Jesus (god the father) and the holy spirit aren't separate entities but three separate ineffectual gods each with his own will, one praying not to be forsaken, one forsaking (imagine his own 'son' what he'd do to the rest of the foolish humanity) and the last hovering around saul because he couldn't chose apostles that will shoulder the responsibility while he was 'alive'

I guessed you hadn't a clue about semantics the moment you started accusing religions of being paganistic in nature. Which is fine. I'm willing to put it on the long list of things you are generally no good at understanding, along with Christian beliefs, Zoroastrian beliefs and when conceding defeat is a good time.

 

[جوري]

I guessed you hadn't a clue about semantics the moment you started accusing religions of being paganistic in nature. Which is fine. I'm willing to put it on the long list of things you are generally no good at understanding, along with Christian beliefs, Zoroastrian beliefs and when conceding defeat is a good time.

lol.. you have to have a group of theologians and mathematicians working on the conundrum that is the trinity. I am yet to meet with a christian that 'understands' their basic tenets.. frankly the more convoluted your tale the less likely and that is actually lesson number one in logic!

all the best

 

[Supreme]

lol.. you have to have a group of theologians and mathematicians working on the conundrum that is the trinity. I am yet to meet with a christian that 'understands' their basic tenets.. frankly the more convoluted your tale the less likely and that is actually lesson number one in logic!

all the best

Of course! Because, when we use logic, we can logically deduce that there's a magic skygod who communicates through Middle Eastern prophets every few hundred years to a message in flowerly language, albeit to no avail, as it will soon get corrupted. We can also logically deduce that this skygod has low self esteem and demands to be worshipped, and also communicates exclusively to a select few semite prophets who hear voices in their heads about meaningnless rituals, and that this skygod entertains himself by burning his creation in an eternal flame for sinning, ie having common sense and free will. It all makes perfect sense when you think about it...

And yes, the general message of this post is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[جوري]

Of course! Because, when we use logic, we can logically deduce that there's a magic skygod who communicates through Middle Eastern prophets every few hundred years to a message in flowerly language, albeit to no avail, as it will soon get corrupted. We can also logically deduce that this skygod has low self esteem and demands to be worshipped, and also communicates exclusively to a select few semite prophets who hear voices in their heads about meaningnless rituals, and that this skygod entertains himself by burning his creation in an eternal flame for sinning, ie having common sense and free will. It all makes perfect sense when you think about it...

And yes, the general message of this post is the pot calling the kettle black.

I have no idea what this drivel means.. I don't know what 'skygod' is..

the only God is as he described himself:

all the best

 

[freethinking]

I have no idea what this drivel means.. I don't know what 'skygod' is..

the only God is as he described himself:

all the best

Dear Skye
I do not wish to upset you but I largely agree with Supreme, you seem to not take time to examine and check elaboration of what is being said by non muslims on these posts, instead you just ignore the central message and make petty dismissals.
For your own sake pls take time to ask for clarification of that which you do not understand.
Just ask God to sent the Holy spirit to help you

So many of similar to you people seem to have a real problem understanding that Christianity is not a panthiest belief ( and pls also note I do not use the word religion which is nowhere in the Holy Bible, I have a true Spiritual two way relationship with God Almighty Allelulia). There is no polytheistic ideas in Christianity. God is indeed ONE, yet amazingly three in One. Iis not about three Gods But One God with three powerful aspects. Jesus defeated Satan with his mission on earth to set us free. The Holy Spirit within us makes us fireproof against sinful or evil attacks. God is Glorious God is Great, God is Awesome and Suprme ruler of ALL insider and outside this Universe and this eternity. God is inside and outside time
The reason people get confused about the Holy Trinity is that too many people have explained it as 3 "persons in 1" but to think of God as a person is just a humanistic way of trying to explain this amazing and Glorious all powerful and loving Creator of us and everything.
God is one according to deeper Christian revelation. It is just that there is no way to describe the majestic Trinity for us until we go to the Father. However in the last Book of the Bible, which is Revelations (and is the revelation Of Jesus, after his death and ressurection and ascension to heaven)
What does any one make of the number of the beast which in that book is 666?
It of course represents the Unholy trinity of the beast of the earth sea and sky
I also have sadly seen that the Quran does not seem to recognise the Truuth about us Humans, i.e that we are Flesh, Soul and Spirit
It took time for me to understand this so I pray to God that you will all find these loving Truths

Bless youi all

 

[marwen]

... God is indeed ONE, yet amazingly three in One. Iis not about three Gods But One God with three powerful aspects. Jesus defeated Satan with his mission on earth to set us free. The Holy Spirit within us makes us fireproof against sinful or evil attacks. God is Glorious God is Great, God is Awesome and Suprme ruler of ALL insider and outside this Universe and this eternity. God is inside and outside time ...

I have a question for clarification.
Please don't feel offended, I'm just trying to understand, and may be it's because my ignorance that I ask the following question :
You are you saying that : The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are the same God. The Father and The Son are the same. How can Jesus(as) be the son of himself ?
Is there something I missed ? please be kind to explain to me.

God bless you !

 

[جوري]

Dear Skye
I do not wish to upset you but I largely agree with Supreme, you seem to not take time to examine and check elaboration of what is being said by non muslims on these posts, instead you just ignore the central message and make petty dismissals.

your agreement with an 18 year old doesn't come as a surprise.. in fact I expect that you need to have a certain level of intellect to be a 'practicing christian'

For your own sake pls take time to ask for clarification of that which you do not understand.
Just ask God to sent the Holy spirit to help you

someone who worships a man who forsake himself should rather be concerned with his own sake not that of others!

So many of similar to you people seem to have a real problem understanding that Christianity is not a panthiest belief ( and pls also note I do not use the word religion which is nowhere in the Holy Bible, I have a true Spiritual two way relationship with God Almighty Allelulia). There is no polytheistic ideas in Christianity. God is indeed ONE, yet amazingly three in One. Iis not about three Gods But One God with three powerful aspects. Jesus defeated Satan with his mission on earth to set us free. The Holy Spirit within us makes us fireproof against sinful or evil attacks. God is Glorious God is Great, God is Awesome and Suprme ruler of ALL insider and outside this Universe and this eternity. God is inside and outside time

you say god is one yet worship a three headed god whom you name jesus. God's name isn't Jesus and God doesn't die!

The reason people get confused about the Holy Trinity is that too many people have explained it as 3 "persons in 1" but to think of God as a person is just a humanistic way of trying to explain this amazing and Glorious all powerful and loving Creator of us and everything.

God doesn't need to be human and wasn't human in any of the preceding monotheistic religions spanning back to Adam!

God is one according to deeper Christian revelation. It is just that there is no way to describe the majestic Trinity for us until we go to the Father. However in the last Book of the Bible, which is Revelations (and is the revelation Of Jesus, after his death and ressurection and ascension to heaven)

Yes we know there is no way to describe it, your point being?

What does any one make of the number of the beast which in that book is 666?
It of course represents the Unholy trinity of the beast of the earth sea and sky
I also have sadly seen that the Quran does not seem to recognise the Truuth about us Humans, i.e that we are Flesh, Soul and Spirit

Someone who can't explain the 'truths' about his own religions shouldn't really be making the leap forward to other religions!

It took time for me to understand this so I pray to God that you will all find these loving Truths

Bless youi all

I think your time would be best vested praying for yourself.. I don't accept the prayers of paganists.

all the best

 

[freethinking]

I have a question for clarification.
Please don't feel offended, I'm just trying to understand, and may be it's because my ignorance that I ask the following question :
You are you saying that : The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are the same God. The Father and The Son are the same. How can Jesus(as) be the son of himself ?
Is there something I missed ? please be kind to explain to me.


God bless you !

Thank you for your very considerate question, God Bless you.
No I dont belive Jesus is the son of himself, when he came to earth, he referred to his Father and was doing his Fathers will. It was necesary for Gods universal law included that the way to clean sins was through a blood sacrifice which Jesus as a lamb of God did without any resistance.
Jsus could easliy have denied the charges brought against him and not have endured that awful ( in human terms) tormentful suffering and human death.
The Trinity is a mystery to me to fully comprehend but it does make sense to me that God's beautiful Holy Spirit comes to us whilst God remains in Heaven and perhaps is even taking care of another universe and another eternity whilst his Son will rule this one.

God the Creator is so amazing and we as humans, how can we comprehend all the amazing glory of God? I am quite happy to accept this by faith alone although I do have a two way relationship with God already.
I ask God clean questions and when it is right by God and By Gods Grace, the right time for me to know, I get answers. I have only started getting to know God for almost 5 years.
Many years ago I was raised as a catholic but left that church in my teens. I am beginnig to know God enough to start Truely loving God in my heart and Spirit.

I have learnt powerful lessons from God directly such as What one declares verbally (By WORD) about themselves is Very powerul indeed.
For example someone who verbally declares they are an alcoholic and belives this about themselves will continue to be subject to demonic influences which will jump on such a declaration and push that person to love thier sins; which if they do opens the door to possession.
However if they meet a true christian and listen they can be rescued. Not by the person But by the Glorious power of God's Holy Spirit.
We humans are not just Flesh but Flesh Soul and Spirit.
I hope this helps you, it is beautiful to have some mysteries in this life that we will kinow better in the next I belive

God bless you Brother

 

[Supreme]

I have no idea what this drivel means.. I don't know what 'skygod' is..

the only God is as he described himself:

all the best

Don't worry- I've come to conclude that you don't understand much at all, hence why I included the little sentence at the bottom- which is an adage for hypocrisy!

 

[جوري]

Don't worry-

I seldom worry least of which over random individuals on the forum.. you seem to project alot here?

I've come to conclude that you don't understand much at all, hence why I included the little sentence at the bottom- which is an adage for hypocrisy!

whatever you need to tell yourself to get through this is A OK by me!

all the best

 

[Pygoscelis]

I have a question for clarification.
Please don't feel offended, I'm just trying to understand, and may be it's because my ignorance that I ask the following question :
You are you saying that : The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are the same God. The Father and The Son are the same. How can Jesus(as) be the son of himself ?
Is there something I missed ? please be kind to explain to me.

God bless you !

The concept of the Trinity makes coherent sense. Three forms, three aspects of the same being. If you think the Christian trinity is complicated, look into Hindu beliefs

But where things go off the rails is with the Jesus story. The Trinity renders it incoherent. Without the Trinity you have Jesus championing man and sacrificing himself to get God to forgive man's sins. But with the trinity you get God sacrificig himself to himself to convince himself to change his own mind - incoherent.

 

[freethinking]

The concept of the Trinity makes coherent sense. Three forms, three aspects of the same being. If you think the Christian trinity is complicated, look into Hindu beliefs

But where things go off the rails is with the Jesus story. The Trinity renders it incoherent. Without the Trinity you have Jesus championing man and sacrificing himself to get God to forgive man's sins. But with the trinity you get God sacrificig himself to himself to convince himself to change his own mind - incoherent.

Bless you if it is incoherant to you.
Do you recognise theat Jesus came down in Human form and took on Human form to do this as he knew without God we would all contune tro be corrupted. It was a Spiritual battle with satan and foretold in the OT. When he then Ascended he was back in heaven,
God's mysteries are for humans at this stage but sall will be revealed

Bless you

 

[Pygoscelis]

So long as Jesus is half-man and champion for man, and God is judge, it makes sense. But as soon as God and Jesus are one, the champion and judge are the same guy, it becomes nothing more than showmanship (and it takes humanity out of the equation entirely). God could just as easily snapped his fingers and pronounced "I forgive man", but instead we have this elaborate ceremony of false sacrifice. I say false sacrifice, because Jesus simply rises again. He didn't perish for your sins, he just had a rough weekend.

 

[glo]

Hi Pygo

With Easter only just gone I have had similar thoughts recently.
Why did Jesus have to die such a horrible death on the cross? Why could an omnipotent God not just say "I forgive your sins. My relationship with you is restored and here is my new covenant with you"?

I would love to hear the thoughts of other Christians here, just as I have asked that question in other forums.

But then, last night I happened to be reading about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and the Passover Meal in Exodus.
It struck me that in the 21st century Jesus' crucifixion may seem cruel and unnecessary - but in the context of the Jewish lifestyle and celebrations (at least at the time of his life) the symbolism and similarities are very powerful:

The passover lamb, by which blood on the wooden beams God's people are saved and eventually led into the promised land.
The sacrifice of the first-born lamb for the salvation of all.

On top of that, I think there are instructions in Jesus' actions to his followers - about taking up your cross and doing God's will; about 'dying to yourself' and fulfilling a greater purpose; about self-sacrifice for the greater good of others.

Like I said, these are just my own personal ponderings. I may be right or wrong or somewhere in-between. (I usually am)

But I think there is more to Jesus' death on the cross than God sacrificing himself 'unnecessarily'.
The crucifixion is important on more levels than that.