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working. earning a lawful living is part of the sunnah and worship of Allah. it is a great test of faith when a person is put on the path of knowledge, because they must now share priority justly between their worldy life and study. so dont be so quick to pack up your bags and roam the land in search of knowledge, Allah has put you in your place in society for a reason.
 
tango92 said:
working. earning a lawful living is part of the sunnah and worship of Allah. it is a great test of faith when a person is put on the path of knowledge, because they must now share priority justly between their worldy life and study. so dont be so quick to pack up your bags and roam the land in search of knowledge, Allah has put you in your place in society for a reason.
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We seem to live in a society which does not remmber what it means to work anymore.

Growing a pottato is work.

Building a wall is work.

Sitting in an office and not knowing what it is you do is not work.

At best it is slavery. At worst it is a complete waste of time.

All I am saying is that people should stop doing things they do not know for what
they are good just because they recieve a "pay-check" - the way from there to
wickedness is very short.
 
You haven't answered my question though, what about law enforcement? There are many more jobs in this day and age that have a purpose we can't just revert back to the medieval times.
 
LauraS said:
You haven't answered my question though, what about law enforcement? There are many more jobs in this day and age that have a purpose we can't just revert back to the medieval times.
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These jobs are around 7% of all working force.

If you notice - kids in school do not get any education on how to be a policemen, farmer, doctor, nurse
etc...

I think that if you would teach everybody who to do these things - you can develop easily
a system by which people would have to work once a week or not more than three hours a day.

For instance - anybody could be a taxi driver. Let's say that you would be required to be a taxi
driver for once a week.

So why isn't it like that? Because people today depend upon their work of being a taxi driver - however
this is just because we live in a jungle and we cannot have a real civilization based on what is good
for everybody because we are afraid of our neighbors.

And why? Because we recieve very bad and defected education - which prevents us from uniting
and really having a powerful society.

We have to start acknowledging the fact that our main job today is to share our riches with
others.

In fact - most office environments are simply horrible and create cruel and weak people - it just
encourages it.
 
LauraS said:
You haven't answered my question though, what about law enforcement? There are many more jobs in this day and age that have a purpose we can't just revert back to the medieval times.
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Nobody said we should just revert back to medieval times? - we cant even if we tried. That time has gone.
 
We have developed now and our society is as such that, as Zafran has said, it is impossible to change greatly. To change things in such a fashion would cause a complete break down.
 
LauraS said:
We have developed now and our society is as such that, as Zafran has said, it is impossible to change greatly. To change things in such a fashion would cause a complete break down.
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Salaam

This is not what I meant. Things can be changed greatly and sometimes have to be for example slavery was an important element in the worlds economy however later was abolished and alternative methods were used for economic and social benefit.

Its happend before it can easily happen again - just needs will power.

I'm also not sure what you mean by developed? Just because we are developed economically now doesnt been that we wont be less developed or more developed in the future.
 
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Gabriel Ibn Yus said:
We seem to live in a society which does not remmber what it means to work anymore.

Growing a pottato is work.

Building a wall is work.

Sitting in an office and not knowing what it is you do is not work.

At best it is slavery. At worst it is a complete waste of time.

All I am saying is that people should stop doing things they do not know for what
they are good just because they recieve a "pay-check" - the way from there to
wickedness is very short.
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office work is not slavery you get paid. would you rather they go hungry? and i doubt people sitting in offices have no clue what they are doing, of course they know their work is going to help their company and thus support their countrys economy etc.
but i think the majority of people are doing 'useful' work anyway. but i do accept their is a rigid hierachy in the economy, mostly atoped by wealthy individuals and governments who can therefore influence our society. so people arent really working because they love what they do, but because they chase money to make it up the ladder. unfortunately this is the way of life for humans since the beginning and not really a 'modern' problem.

i guess thats just our nature and the system ordained by Allah. which is why we have zakat etc and work for the sake of Allah. fesabeelillah

you could always become a communist though lol.
 
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tango92 said:
office work is not slavery you get paid. would you rather they go hungry? and i doubt people sitting in offices have no clue what they are doing, of course they know their work is going to help their company and thus support their countrys economy etc.
but i think the majority of people are doing 'useful' work anyway. but i do accept their is a rigid hierachy in the economy, mostly atoped by wealthy individuals and governments who can therefore influence our society. so people arent really working because they love what they do, but because they chase money to make it up the ladder. unfortunately this is the way of life for humans since the beginning and not really a 'modern' problem.

i guess thats just our nature and the system ordained by Allah. which is why we have zakat etc and work for the sake of Allah. fesabeelillah

you could always become a communist though lol.
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Slaves also get paid - if they won't get paid they will not work.

Office work is slavery because a free man can always find ways to
increase his income while an office worker has a fixed salery which
would neither grow or go down by the effort of his work.

The modern western world does not give Zakat - and this is where
the problem begins.
 
"Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Quran. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success. (111) "

Surat Al Maidah


"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." (75) Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan). (76)"


Surat Anisaa


"Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against disbelievers), who are fighting them, (and) because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory (39) "


Surat Al Hajj

"And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers - of a lesser degree). (45)"

Surat Al Maidah

 
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