Hinduism VS Islam

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The case here is that how can you prove that God doesnt help or destroy us? we know that Idols dont - you make them and they sit there all day - we can see that happening.

for the sake of argument, let us say I abuse Allah and the Prophet with the choicest of words. Are you saying Allah will strike me down rightaway? (btw I will never abuse. This is only for the sake of argument)

I think it's pretty obvious that wont happen. Is that to say that Allah is powerless?
 
1 - Its an avatar and I liked it. Many people have different avatars.

Let us say you are engrossed in some daily material chore of yours. You take a break from the chore you are performing and look up and you see 'Allah' written in front of you. Is it not true that the mere sight of this word instantly makes you think of Allah and instantly tunes you to a spiritual level of 'Allah consciousness'? You forget the chore you are performing for a few moments and spend it thinking of Allah. If this word of 'Allah' weren't in front of you when you looked up, you would have never thought of Allah and would have just continued with your work.

2 - We believe that Allah swt has given man a criteria - if you accept that criteria then your prayers are heard. Its not only that but Allah swt sent messeges to guide his people - the last messenger was prophet Muhammad pbuh to guide us back to the right path.

oh...I've not heard of this and would like to know more. Would be nice if you tell me what the criteria are.

also...if I follow all the criteria but have no feeling in my heart, would such a prayer suffice?
 
for the sake of argument, let us say I abuse Allah and the Prophet with the choicest of words. Are you saying Allah will strike me down rightaway? (btw I will never abuse. This is only for the sake of argument)

I think it's pretty obvious that wont happen. Is that to say that Allah is powerless?

You cant strike or abuse the prophet pbuh or Allah swt - by trying to do so you only abuse your self according to the criteria which is the Quran. Furthermore if somebody does destroy your idol then they are destroyed - without a human repairing it will be broken. They are dependent on humans. They cant even move to point A to B without a human - they need to be cleaned by a human as well. They are powerless. But what I would like to know is what do you think of God - Is God all powerful, absolutly independent, all knowing? what do hindus think of God? which will also help us understand the Idols and your view on them.

Let us say you are engrossed in some daily material chore of yours. You take a break from the chore you are performing and look up and you see 'Allah' written in front of you. Is it not true that the mere sight of this word instantly makes you think of Allah and instantly tunes you to a spiritual level of 'Allah consciousness'? You forget the chore you are performing for a few moments and spend it thinking of Allah. If this word of 'Allah' weren't in front of you when you looked up, you would have never thought of Allah and would have just continued with your work.

Not true many muslims try to think of God constantly like most God believers - with or without God's name. Its called zikr.

oh...I've not heard of this and would like to know more. Would be nice if you tell me what the criteria are.

also...if I follow all the criteria but have no feeling in my heart, would such a prayer suffice?

The criteria is the Quran. To follow it one has to believe in it.
 
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1) There are many in this forum who have signatures, avatars etc. of 'Allah' written in Arabic. What purpose does this serve??

Its just simply an avatar. sometimes when theres a post, we can sometimes identify by the avatar who this person posting is just by looking at their avatar although you can do that by the username too.

2) When you pray to Allah, how do you know your prayers are reaching Allah? Do you think Allah listens to you because you are calling out his name or do you think he is listening to you coz he understands and appreciates the emotion/devotion/sincerity in your worship?

Allaah your lord and my lord says in the Quraan :"And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright. "[ Surah Al Baqarah (The Cow),and verse 186]

Allaah understands us no matter how we feel, and he knows how sincere we are in worship!
 
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A few questions for our Hindu brothers:



How important is intention in Hinduism?

When you do an act, whom is it you intend to do it for?

Is there something similar to the Basmala in Hinduism?

Is Hinduism even the correct term to be using, or is there a more preferred term?

Sorry, i'm not very knowledgeable.

Thank you in advance.
 
Or do we help the idol and can destroy the idol - The idol clearly needs our help more then we need its - we need to clean it - we need to move it.
Because the concept of idol worship appears difficult for you to grasp, may I try giving an example. By destroying the Quran (as some people propose to burn it on 9/11), is anything substantial destroyed thereby? Or maybe something more than substantial is destroyed thereby – our emotions that go with it. We need the idol and therefore we have made the idol. The idol did not make itself. Just as the Quran in book form.

The power of shiva clearly needs the Idol if it didnt then there would be no need to praying to the idol?
The power of Shiva is beyond the idol (that is, it is not confined to the idol). Though Allah is not confined in the direction of Mecca, why do Muslims confine their worship of Him in that direction? Is this due to the limitation of Allah or Muslims?

do you worhip God or the idol? if you dont need the idol then why worship at all? How do you know that the idol represents God?
Idols are worshipped in the believe that God is thereby worshipped. Those who do not need idols to worship are not forced to have them. (Islam, for example, does not need these concrete idols.) And then there are those who do not need to worship at all because they have discovered God within them (Islam has not reached this level). Whether the idol represents God or not is the faith or belief of the worshipper, just as Allah is God is the faith of the Muslim worshipper.

The main point here is that the idol is different from God - God cannot be destroyed - the idol can - God does not need our help it not depended on us - the idol is –
OK.

From all these points it does not seem that an idol is a good representation of God.
Idol is useful for those who require them. When you worship something that is outside you, that is idol worship. Therefore, Islam is also idol worship.

so you agree the idol has no power at all. If it doesnt whats the point of it??
Whether idol has power or not is a matter of experience. Many people have stated that idols have power. What are we to say of that?

should we not worship the main thing rather then an idol.
And pray, what is the main thing? What you consider the main thing may not be the main thing for others. Got it?
 
I would like to know what Hindus believe about God - Is God all powerful, all knowing? absolutly Independent? according to hindus?
Hindus believe that God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. Of these, Muslims only believe that God is Omnipotent and Omniscient but not Omnipresent.
 
Because the concept of idol worship appears difficult for you to grasp, may I try giving an example. By destroying the Quran (as some people propose to burn it on 9/11), is anything substantial destroyed thereby? Or maybe something more than substantial is destroyed thereby – our emotions that go with it. We need the idol and therefore we have made the idol. The idol did not make itself. Just as the Quran in book form.

this doesnt make sense at all - you just made the idol - then you destroy it and then its gone. Burning some book doesnt mean the Quran is burned or destroyed it still exists without the book form.

The power of Shiva is beyond the idol (that is, it is not confined to the idol). Though Allah is not confined in the direction of Mecca, why do Muslims confine their worship of Him in that direction? Is this due to the limitation of Allah or Muslims?

The kabba is a direction of prayer or a compass - if the kabba was to be destroyed tommorrow - we will still worship God. Its also a sign of unity for the muslim Ummah. The idol is none of those things - if it breaks you just buy a new one.

Idol is useful for those who require them. When you worship something that is outside you, that is idol worship. Therefore, Islam is also idol worship.

how is it? - If the Kabba was destroyed in the future Muslims will still pray to God - For the idol worshpper he will need to buy a new one. Another thing is we worship God directly whilst the idol worhipper worships a contradiction of God as God is all powerful and the idols are not.

Whether idol has power or not is a matter of experience. Many people have stated that idols have power. What are we to say of that?

Idols have no power to clean themselves - they have no power to move - they dont have even power to come to life? If they cant help themselves how can they help the person - thats what you can say.
 
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Hindus believe that God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. Of these, Muslims only believe that God is Omnipotent and Omniscient but not Omnipresent.

Thanks so idols which are non of those things can not be an accurate representation of God - they are not all knowing and they are not all powerful. They also are not everywhere. Its preety much a contradiction of God.
 
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Allaah your lord and my lord…
If you used the phrase “your lord” to mean lord of non-Muslims also, I think it is unfair. I for one do not consider Allah, as described in the Quran, as my God or lord.
 
How important is intention in Hinduism?
In Hinduism, intention is everything. The merit of an action is considered on the basis of the intention of the doer. For example, I might be seen giving a bar of chocolate to a child and someone, without knowing my true motive, may comment that I have done a good thing. By if my intention was to befriend the child and kidnap him, then the very act of giving the chocolate is bad, let alone my kidnapping the child.

When you do an act, whom is it you intend to do it for?
I have not understood this question.

Is there something similar to the Basmala in Hinduism? Is Hinduism even the correct term to be using, or is there a more preferred term?
Please explain what you mean by “Basmala” so that I may comment on it.
 
If you used the phrase “your lord” to mean lord of non-Muslims also, I think it is unfair. I for one do not consider Allah, as described in the Quran, as my God or lord.
Your Lord means your creator and therefore the One who deserves worship and fellowship. If you don't believe in Allah or you don't want to worship him he still remains your God or Lord, your vision doesn't change the fact.

What is the significance of cows in Hinduism??
Yes I want to know about that too, and I want also to know if there is an opinion about vegetarianism in Hinduism.
 
What is the significance of cows in Hinduism??
The special bond between the cow and the Hindu community goes back to the pastoral days, when cows had a significant role with being the providers of milk, fuel (cow dung), medicines (cow urine) etc. and therefore had a place of fondness in the hearts of the Hindus. Somewhere along the line it became associated with Krishna and Krishna's divinity appears to have rubbed off on the cows and they have since been treated as an auspicious animal. But apart from these aspects (which are by no means insignificant) I do not think other living beings are any less sacred than the cows. It is actually the culture and the nature of Hindus to associate divinity to anything that appears to play a significant role in their lives and they often sanctify such relationships by seeing the object in the nature of Mother. Which is why they call the cow Mother cow, their most sacred river Mother Ganga - why, they even call India Mother India.
 
Your Lord means your creator and therefore the One who deserves worship and fellowship. If you don't believe in Allah or you don't want to worship him he still remains your God or Lord, your vision doesn't change the fact.
That Allah is God is only a belief. It is not a fact, like say the sun or the moon. They (sun and moon) are there whether we accept it or not and their effects are felt by all humans. Please do not assign the position of fact to beliefs.

I want also to know if there is an opinion about vegetarianism in Hinduism.
The majority of Hindus are non-vegetarians. Vegetarianism is followed by many cutting across community lines but there are certain communities among Hindus who are exclusively vegetarian. On auspicious or holy days, most Hindus tend to partake only vegetarian food.
 
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Thanks so idols which are non of those things can not be an accurate representation of God - they are not all knowing and they are not all powerful. They also are not everywhere. Its preety much a contradiction of God.
Idols are only a limited representation of the unlimited for the limited mind. When the mind, through spiritual practices moves to unlimitedness, then it no longer requires idols. Do you think Allah is contained or limited to his name Allah?
 
this doesnt make sense at all - you just made the idol - then you destroy it and then its gone. Burning some book doesnt mean the Quran is burned or destroyed it still exists without the book form.
Hindus do not find it difficult to remake idols that are destroyed. They do it all the time.

The kabba is a direction of prayer or a compass - if the kabba was to be destroyed tommorrow - we will still worship God. Its also a sign of unity for the muslim Ummah. The idol is none of those things - if it breaks you just buy a new one.
The question is, why do you limit God to a direction and worship Him? Similarly, Hindus limit God to a idol and worship Him.

how is it? - If the Kabba was destroyed in the future Muslims will still pray to God - For the idol worshpper he will need to buy a new one. Another thing is we worship God directly whilst the idol worhipper worships a contradiction of God as God is all powerful and the idols are not.
That you worship Allah directly is only a myth. How can you worship Allah if you do not use His name Allah? Allah is only a word, though Muslims believe that He is much much more than a word.

Idols have no power to clean themselves - they have no power to move - they dont have even power to come to life? If they cant help themselves how can they help the person - thats what you can say.
Just like you believe Allah has powers, idol-worshippers believe that their idols have powers - because they believe that that power is not limited to the idol. Can you prove that Allah has power (apart from your belief)?
 
That Allah is God is only a belief. It is not a fact, like say the sun or the moon. They (sun and moon) are there whether we accept it or not and their effects are felt by all humans. Please do not assign the position of fact to beliefs.
What makes the moon a fact and Allah not ? because you see it ? What makes you think that everything you see is true i.e a fact, and everything you don't see is not a fact ?

The majority of Hindus are non-vegetarians. Vegetarianism is followed by many cutting across community lines but there are certain communities among Hindus who are exclusively vegetarian. On auspicious or holy days, most Hindus tend to partake only vegetarian food.
For the vegetarian Hindu communities, what are their reasons for being vegetarian, is that because they feel guilty to kill animals ?
 
Take an idol of Krishna in a temple. Is Krishna destroyed if you destroy the idol? So when we pray to the idol of Krishna, whom are we actually praying to?

I cant understand how the hell could a perverted man like Krishna ever qualify to be an avatar , Prophet or an idol of God ? Krishna has done a despicable thing.

The bhagwad mentions that while a group of young women known as gopis are bathing naked in the river yamuna, krishna runs away with their clothes and thus forces them to come out of the river nude. When the gopis emerge from the water bashfully hiding their sexual organs with their hands, krishna tells them that since they have offended the water god by bathing naked, they should ask for his forgiveness with their hands raised in salutation to him, and then they can take back their clothes. In this context the bhagwad says that krishna deceitfully made them expose their sexual organs to him, and that he was very pleased to see them in their virgin state

Is this the kind of example he wants to set as a God ?
 
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That Allah is God is only a belief. It is not a fact, like say the sun or the moon. They (sun and moon) are there whether we accept it or not and their effects are felt by all humans. Please do not assign the position of fact to beliefs.

It is possible that in Hinduism, belief and fact cannot go hand in hand. In Islam however, they do.

Allah is your Lord and Creator, and the Creator of the Sun and Moon, and that is a fact. Whether you choose to accept that fact or not makes no difference to the truth of the fact.

"And He who made the night for rest and sun and moon for reckoning of time. This is the decree of the Exalted, the All-knowing." (6:96)

"Allah is He, who created the sun, the moon, and the stars (all) governed by laws under His commandment." (7:54)

"It is He who made sun a lamp, and moon a light and measured stages so you know number of years and count (of time)." (10:5)

You can use the search function and put in "prove Allah exists" and the like, the subject has been dealt with many times before and you can read all about it.

Peace.
 
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