What do non-Muslims want from Muslims?

The people that agree with the Taleban and there views and ideas would support the Taleban - If you think that TV and Internet and stating opinions which have no bearing in reality is "freedom" then you realy have to rethink what "freedom" is. Watching TV on the couch for hours, surfing the internet for hours and talking crap is not a very good idea of "freedom" - its more like slavery to the internet, TV and meaningless talk.
 
Well then here is your chance. Dispel away. Show us the good views of the Taleban.
 
Well then here is your chance. Dispel away. Show us the good views of the Taleban.

what do you mean - I just told you that the a person would support the taleban if he or she agreed with them. The Poster that asked the question listed a no TV, opinions, and no internet - If a person agreed with the ideas of the taleban and saw them as good ideas then they would support the Taleban - Its not rocket science now is it.
 
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I just told you that the a person would support the taleban if he or she agreed with them. The Poster that asked the question listed a no TV, opinions, and no internet - If a person agreed with those ideas and saw them as good idea then they would support the Taleban

???

Agreeing with them about one, single thing means supporting them, does it???
 
To represent their faith as Muhammad did. Also to stop alienating themselves from other religions and cultures.
 
^^yeah, that last part is important

If not alienating from other religions and cultures means that muslims must partake in pagan celebrations, idol worships, homosexuality and adulteries/fornication approval/tolerance, riba-based finances, alcohol-fueled parties, then I'm afraid good muslims are not only not able to do that, but it is compulsory for all muslims to alienate ourselves from all those things.
But other than against a list of things haram to us, then yeah, we're all for cultures and stuff!
 
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^^yeah, that last part is important.

Actually the first part is more important because were Muslims :P

And the bro naidamar is right, on a personal note there is plenty to be impressed with other cultures/worldviews. Im not the type to 'look down' on other peoples way living or doing things. Im an accomodating kind of person (I hope).

Having said that there plenty of aspects of other cultures that Im not impressed with and has no place in the Islamic worldview. Some of been listed above, but we also have our 'own way' of doing things even if its 'unfashionable'. You guys are going to have to accept that.
 
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Actually the first part is more important because were Muslims :P

As a Muslim, that first part would reasonably be more important to you. But as a non-Muslim the second part is more important to me. Muslims could divorce themselves completely from Muhammad, and while that would be ashame, as a non-Muslim that would not affect me nearly as much as if Muslims behaved in such a way as to alienate themselves from other religions and cultures.

As for being impressed or unimpressed with other cultures, that's not what I mean by not being alienated. Nor do I mean being in agreement with or practicing things done in other cultures or religions. That something has no place in the Islamic world does not mean that you have to alienate yourself from the culture or religion, or even more importantly the people, wherein those things are found.



from Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of ALIENATE

transitive verb
1: to make unfriendly, hostile, or indifferent especially where attachment formerly existed

2: to convey or transfer (as property or a right) usually by a specific act rather than the due course of law

3: to cause to be withdrawn or diverted

Examples of ALIENATE

  • He alienated most of his colleagues with his bad temper.
  • Her position on this issue has alienated many former supporters.
source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alienate




from a Thesaurus:
Verb1.alienate - arouse hostility or indifference in where there had formerly been love, affection, or friendliness; "She alienated her friends when she became fanatically religious" disaffect, estrange, alien
alter, change, modify - cause to change; make different; cause a transformation; "The advent of the automobile may have altered the growth pattern of the city"; "The discussion has changed my thinking about the issue"

drift apart, drift away - lose personal contact over time; "The two women, who had been roommates in college, drifted apart after they got married"

wean - detach the affections of
2.alienate - transfer property or ownership; "The will aliened the property to the heirs" alien
transfer - cause to change ownership; "I transferred my stock holdings to my children"
3.alienate - make withdrawn or isolated or emotionally dissociated; "the boring work alienated his employees" impress, strike, affect, move - have an emotional or cognitive impact upon; "This child impressed me as unusually mature"; "This behavior struck me as odd"

source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/alienate


alienating - causing hostility or loss of friendliness; "her sudden alienating aloofness"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
alienation - the action of alienating; the action of causing to become unfriendly; "his behavior alienated the other students"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


I've been repeatedly told how once upon a time all peoples of all religions were able to live happily and peacefully together under Muslim rule. Well, just because there is no Caliphate doesn't mean that one needs to now be unfriendly or hostile to non-Muslims. We aren't asking you to become drunkards or carousers. Opposition to immoral behaviors we understand (some of us will even applaude), just don't withdraw to the point of setting yourself in opposition to people.
 
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Well again the first part is more important (respecting the prophets (pbuh) example) to me, in fact its fundamental to being a Muslim. Surprised after all this time being here you dont understand this.

Again as Brother naidamar there are aspects and practices of western society that are incompatible with a Muslim. Do you really think if a person is drunk I want to be around them? Really? Thats a stereotypical example but you get the point. Incidentally I do have non muslim friends and colleagues who drink yet they understand my reaction, they dont make a big fuss about it. You have your way of doing things, we have ours, accept it.

Nobody wants to set themselves in opposition to anyone unless they have ]good[/I reason to, and juding by the hostile media attention (among other things) you shouldnt be surprised at the 'wary' reaction by some.

Personally I dont have the urge to be nasty or unhelpful to people just because they are non muslims, seems strange to me.
 
Well again the first part is more important (respecting the prophets (pbuh) example) to me, in fact its fundamental to being a Muslim. Surprised after all this time being here you dont understand this.

I do understand. What did I say about your previous statement?


As a Muslim, that first part would reasonably be more important to you.




Do you understand the nature of this thread? It's not asking: What is important to Muslims? Yeah, we know that the Sunnah would be important.

Rather, it's asking: What do non-Muslims want from Muslims? Now, if you don't care wha'ts important to us, then that could be part of the problem. But if you do care, then hear our actual response, don't tell us what you wish our response to have been. (Not listening can itself be an alienating behavior after all.)


Personally I dont have the urge to be nasty or unhelpful to people just because they are non muslims, seems strange to me.


That's great!! That's all that we were saying. Now if that can happen on the larger scale, and also be matched by non-Muslim attitudes toward Muslims, we will have a much better world.
 
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Do you understand the nature of this thread? It's not asking: What is important to Muslims? Yeah, we know that the Sunnah would be important.

Rather, it's asking: What do non-Muslims want from Muslims? Now, if you don't care wha'ts important to us, then that could be part of the problem. But if you do care, then hear our actual response, don't tell us what you wish our response to have been. (Not listening can itself be an alienating behavior after all.)

Yes I understand that. If you want this thread to be monologue with everybody nodding compliantly like a parrot to your every suggestion then so be it, Ill withdraw.

Im not trying to get you to agree with me. You made a suggestion, Ive thought about it and gave a response. Im trying to be constructive, to see what problems your suggestion raises and if there is middle ground that can be occupied.

One could wish otherwise but theres no straightforward solutions to these problems.
 
Not all non-Muslims are lazy, wild drunks. Mormons don't drink either or partake in fornication and they interact with people of other faiths. I mean get out and make friends with Christians, Jews, and Atheists and allow your children to do so. Join in the democratic process. Get involved in national holidays (that don't have any haraam aspects). We live in a mostly tolerant society but people fear what they don't know. Show Islam as outreaching, friendly, and peaceful rather than engender the media portrayal of it as angry, humorless, and alienating.
 
Not all non-Muslims are lazy, wild drunks. Mormons don't drink either or partake in fornication and they interact with people of other faiths. I mean get out and make friends with Christians, Jews, and Atheists and allow your children to do so. Join in the democratic process. Get involved in national holidays (that don't have any haraam aspects). We live in a mostly tolerant society but people fear what they don't know. Show Islam as outreaching, friendly, and peaceful rather than engender the media portrayal of it as angry, humorless, and alienating.

not all muslims isolate themselves from non-muslims

loads of us have non-muslim friends
 
not all muslims isolate themselves from non-muslims

loads of us have non-muslim friends

And aadil, you and others who have adopted this attitude and practice truly do help us non-Muslims to put a face on Islam. That very real face helps to teach us what Islam is really. When this happens enough no media message will ever be able to convince us that we have anything to fear from Islam. So, thanks for making the effort to not isolate nor insulate yourself and for putting up with some of the crap I expect you have to take before people get to know you as a person.

Keep it up!! I really does make a difference.
 
Not all non-Muslims are lazy, wild drunks. Mormons don't drink either or partake in fornication and they interact with people of other faiths. I mean get out and make friends with Christians, Jews, and Atheists and allow your children to do so. Join in the democratic process. Get involved in national holidays (that don't have any haraam aspects). We live in a mostly tolerant society but people fear what they don't know. Show Islam as outreaching, friendly, and peaceful rather than engender the media portrayal of it as angry, humorless, and alienating.

I dont think I agree with that .... so we need to "reach out" to the kaafirs, who supposedly make up a "tolerant society," to convince them that we are not scary? wow. I thought they were tolerant in the first place, as you mentioned, and we wont need to do any reaching out? there is an inherent contradiction in the properties you have ascribed to the society.

you are telling me ( i am a Muslim) to make friends with atheists, the very people who reject the God I believe in and live for? what is this? Tomorrow you will tell me to go and make friends with a person who, God forbid, murdered someone very dear to me? And Allah is dearer to me than this person who got murdered!
 
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