Things in Islam I am curious about...

[M.I.A.]

lol i think sitting on the fence would not be the most comfortable place on any day...especially the fences where i come from.

anyway i must have got mixed up, of course as a muslim i believe in what is written in the quran in regards to the life of jesus AS.. i just cant remember as much as id like to of it.

 

[gmcbroom]

MIA, Jesus did indeed cry out to the Heavenly Father. It is a hard passage to understand in the New Testament. The answer lies on how one views Jesus. The catholic belief is that Jesus is True God and True man. It wasn't Jesus's divinity that cried out that night. It was his humanity. Remember no matter how much we as humans want to know God we are not Divine we have only are faith. So somethings we just have to take on faith. On that dark night when Jesus cried out to his Father he was at his most human. It is a testament to the Heavenly Father that he allowed him to sink to the very depths of human despair so that he rise above it and take us with him. Thus the Jesus was made the perfect sacrifice.

Now for the part most don't like to hear. The definitions

Suicide- the act or instance of taking ones own life voluntarily and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind.

Sacrifice-The act of offering to a deity in propriation or homage, especially the ritual slaughter of an animal or person.

The definitions were found in the Freed dictionary by Farlex.

Catholics and trinitarian christians say he sacrificed himself. Muslims and Unitarian christians say he commited suicide.

Herein lies the difficulty of faith. I follow the trinitarian view.
Peace be with you.
gmcbroom
To Catholics and T

 

[Ramadhan]

anyway i must have got mixed up, of course as a muslim i believe in what is written in the quran in regards to the life of jesus AS.. i just cant remember as much as id like to of it.

maybe you can brush off your islamic knowledge by reading the qur'an, instead of reading christian literatures.
plenty of online qur'an, among others http://quran.com

in your past posts you have clearly expressed some christian belief, which include the fairy tale of jesus (as) died on a cross.

Let me tell you: Allah SWT in the qur'an inform us that jesus (as) did not die, that jesus as was raised directly to heaven.

no one forces you about your belief however, we all will be responsible for our own intentions and actions.

 

[GuestFellow]

1. Jesus(as) is God
2. God(swt) knows all things
3.Jesus(as)knew he was going to be a sacrifice before becoming man
4.Deliberatly becoming a self sacrifice is suicide.
5.Jesus(as) committed suicide by being a willing sacrifice
6. Suicide is a very grave sin
7. Jesus(as) sinned by committing suicide.

Reading this made my heart hurt very badly...

 

[selsebil]

Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
1.‘Nor anything fresh or dry, but is in a Record Clear.’
The above verse states that everything, fresh or dry, is found within it, is that so? Yes, everything is found in it, but everyone cannot see this, for all the things it contains are found at different levels. Sometimes the seeds, sometimes the nuclei, sometimes the summaries, sometimes the principles, sometimes the signs, are found either explicitly, or implicitly, or allusively, or vaguely, or as a reminder. One of these is expressed according to need, in a manner suitable to the purposes of the Qur’an and in connection with the requirements of the position.
2.In the view of sunnah;Islam has forbidden some musical instruments, for amusement, and permitted others. That is to say, instruments producing Qur’anic sorrow or revelational eagerness are not harmful.
But if it produces the woebegone grief of the orphan or carnal thrills, the instrument is prohibited. It changes from person to person, not everyone is the same.

 

[M.I.A.]

maybe you can brush off your islamic knowledge by reading the qur'an, instead of reading christian literatures.
plenty of online qur'an, among others http://quran.com

in your past posts you have clearly expressed some christian belief, which include the fairy tale of jesus (as) died on a cross.

Let me tell you: Allah SWT in the qur'an inform us that jesus (as) did not die, that jesus as was raised directly to heaven.

no one forces you about your belief however, we all will be responsible for our own intentions and actions.

lol i get it, also this might sound like a wind up but consider this:

if it is said that i can eat haram to stay alive and i do not.. is that suicide? maybe i expected more of god..an all knowing all powerful god, when i think about his attributes maybe i forgot god doesnt work "that way" predestination doesnt work "that way" prayer to protect from harm doesnt work "that way" etc etc, these are subjective though as i do not know where i have been made to suffer or not.
its a struggle to understand and try and get close to my god and there are many places where i can try to restore my faith.

 

[Woodrow]

Reading this made my heart hurt very badly...

Years ago when I was Christian and had realized that is what Christianity was teaching, it also heart my heart. That was one of the reasons I left Christianity.

 

[Ramadhan]

if it is said that i can eat haram to stay alive and i do not.. is that suicide? maybe i expected more of god..an all knowing all powerful god, when i think about his attributes maybe i forgot god doesnt work "that way" predestination doesnt work "that way" prayer to protect from harm doesnt work "that way" etc etc, these are subjective though as i do not know where i have been made to suffer or not.
its a struggle to understand and try and get close to my god and there are many places where i can try to restore my faith.

I dont understand what you were trying to write above, although none about suicidal god is related to islam in any way, and you are free to subscribe to any belief you see fit your own desire, but please do not attribute it to Islam.

We were discussing christian belief, as summarised by br. Woodrow in the previous post (ie. christians believe in suicidal god).

 

[M.I.A.]

I dont understand what you were trying to write above, although none about suicidal god is related to islam in any way, and you are free to subscribe to any belief you see fit your own desire, but please do not attribute it to Islam.

We were discussing christian belief, as summarised by br. Woodrow in the previous post (ie. christians believe in suicidal god).

youre right i am free to question my own beliefs constantly to try and reach some solid truth, irrefutable evidence of that god which i keep attributing this entire world to.
i know im wronge anyway so i keep my thought to myself on every place other than this place.. can you believe i dont even talk irl.. its a fear of god thing.. im sure they would keep putting me in my place much the same as here.

 

[Ramadhan]

youre right i am free to question my own beliefs constantly to try and reach some solid truth, irrefutable evidence of that god which i keep attributing this entire world to.
i know im wronge anyway so i keep my thought to myself on every place other than this place.. can you believe i dont even talk irl.. its a fear of god thing.. im sure they would keep putting me in my place much the same as here.

You can talk as much as you like in this forum as long as you don't break the forum rules.

However, you state in your religion column as a muslim. As your muslim brother, it is compulsory on me to tell you what's wrong with your belief, because I will be asked during the judgement day. But thats where my duty stop. You are now free to either read the qur'an or not.

 

[glo]

One of the concepts of Christianity that I could not reconcile and seems to be quite contradictory to Christianity. Just going through thoughts and my conclusions. I could no longer follow Christianity after coming to this realization.

1. Jesus(as) is God
2. God(swt) knows all things
3.Jesus(as)knew he was going to be a sacrifice before becoming man
4.Deliberatly becoming a self sacrifice is suicide.
5.Jesus(as) committed suicide by being a willing sacrifice
6. Suicide is a very grave sin
7. Jesus(as) sinned by committing suicide.

Those 7 thoughts are essentially what I found Christianity to be saying, the church teachings just reworded things to make it look honorable and a holy event instead of an act of self destruction.

But is self-sacrifice the same as suicide?
Is giving your own life for the sake of another the same as self destruction?

I read today about a young boy in Australia who sacrificed his own life in the floods so his brother could live.
Was that an act of self sacrifice or self destruction/suicide?

I can see a clear distinction between the two.

 

[aadil77]

But is self-sacrifice the same as suicide?
Is giving your own life for the sake of another the same as self destruction?

I read today about a young boy in Australia who sacrificed his own life in the floods so his brother could live.
Was that an act of self sacrifice or self destruction/suicide?

I can see a clear distinction between the two.

In this case it wasn't self sacrifice, since he's meant to be god he could have easily saved himself, but instead chose to let himself die - that's why I think its suicide

 

[Woodrow]

But is self-sacrifice the same as suicide?
Is giving your own life for the sake of another the same as self destruction?

I read today about a young boy in Australia who sacrificed his own life in the floods so his brother could live.
Was that an act of self sacrifice or self destruction/suicide?

I can see a clear distinction between the two.

Self sacrifice entails that there is no other option. If a man who sees a boy drowning and there is an option of throwing the boy a rope and he ignores that option to drown himself to save the boy, that is suicide.

 

[gmcbroom]

AAdil77,
That is indeed the muslim opinion. However, It's not the Christian one. Regrettably, there can be no real middle ground on that issue for either side, save to agree to disagree.
Peace be with you
gmcbroom

 

[glo]

Self sacrifice entails that there is no other option. If a man who sees a boy drowning and there is an option of throwing the boy a rope and he ignores that option to drown himself to save the boy, that is suicide.

In this case it wasn't self sacrifice, since he's meant to be god he could have easily saved himself, but instead chose to let himself die - that's why I think its suicide

I was thinking yesterday that I wrote a post to Pygo once on the sacrifice of Jesus.
By chance I have found it.

Here it is (it saves me writing another lengthy post. )
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...hristians-celebrate-easter-4.html#post1316582

 

[YusufNoor]

But is self-sacrifice the same as suicide?
Is giving your own life for the sake of another the same as self destruction?

I read today about a young boy in Australia who sacrificed his own life in the floods so his brother could live.
Was that an act of self sacrifice or self destruction/suicide?

the brother TRULY sacrificed himself in the flood. he gave up his own life freely with no hope of something in return. a selfless act.

I can see a clear distinction between the two.

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

the Christian myth of a God-man poses many questions.

Faith is often described as belief in the unseen. as such, Jesus in the Christian myth CANNOT be said to have faith. a God-man who would have come "from heaven" would have seen everything already.

Jesus, in the Christian myth is said to be one who "through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." as not only a God-man, but actually claiming to be THE Omnipotent Creator God, how can you die? and if you are "THE Omnipotent Creator God," who can kill you?

as a God-man claiming to be THE Omnipotent Creator God, your "death" can only be some kind of fraud or charade. but a sacrifice? how could it be? if you have the power to die and then bring yourself back to life, it's not really death is it? you KNOW you can do it, so it's NOT a sacrifice at all. it's only some kind of bizarre exercise.

the human brother you referred to gave up the only life that he had. if a God-man can die and bring himself back to life, how is that any different than "pulling a rabbit out of a hat?"

and yet, the God-man who Christians claim had the power to die and bring himself back, actually prayed to himself [or ANOTHER God] to "save himself" from said exercise! WHY? if he WAS God, the he KNEW the outcome beforehand.

i see a big difference.

peace

 

[gohar98]

Music is the tool of the devil.

I agree with you.

 

[Grace Seeker]

A new and apparently relatively young member of the forum was seeking advice on reverting to Islam. Of course many here encouraged her, but I was surprised by the nature of some of that encouragement:

go for it sister; learn about Islam [in secet though, so you dont have any problems from your parents] to your hearts content, for if it is the truth from God [and trust me it is], you dont want to be held back from it due to your feelings for your mum and dad, for God should allways come first;

My question: Why would one council secrecy? Isn't this "hiding" of one's faith and true beliefs antithetical to being one that submits one's life to Allah? Does the master say to his slave, "Don't let people know to whom you belong."?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

... Why would one council secrecy? Isn't this "hiding" of one's faith and true beliefs antithetical to being one that submits one's life to Allah? Does the master say to his slave, "Don't let people know to whom you belong."?

I think , u asked this question earlier and we gave u the ans. If anyone fears that his/her parent will oppose the decision , may force to change the faith ( denounce Islam ) , may stop to sponsor food , education cost etc , then it's allowed to hide faith from parents & others for sometime.

I know a hindu girl who could not stay with parents anymore because they were forcing her to leave Islam . Now she is staying with a Muslim family and depending on zakat money of Muslim friends and neighbours.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/Peace

I think , u asked this question earlier and we gave u the ans.

Indeed, I have asked this question (or at least a variety of it) before. But I still don't understand. It is one thing not to rub it in another's face in order to have peace, but it seems as if some council more than that and actual deception. I just can't imagine Muhammad (pbuh) giving that same advice. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe he would have. Maybe he even did. But, I have a higher opinion him and what it means to be a follower of Islam (or any religion) than that.