Things in Islam I am curious about...

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gmcbroom said:
I'm curious about something in Islam. Is it true once you become a muslim, you can't leave it? No other faith that I know of has that sort of strict rule. If true.
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Is Apostasy a Capital Crime in Islam?


By Dr. Jamal Badawi Muslim Intellectual — Canada

..There is no single verse in the Qur'an which prescribes an earthly punishment for apostasy.


...Behold, as for those who come to believe, and then deny the truth, and again come to believe, and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth - God will not forgive them, nor will guide them in any way.] (An-Nisaa' 4:137)


It is important to note in the above verse that if the Qur'an prescribes capital punishment for apostasy, then the apostate should be killed after the first instance of apostasy. As such there would be no opportunity to "again come to believe and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth". In spite of these acts of repeated apostasy, no capital punishment is prescribed for them.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...sh-Living_Shariah/LSELayout&cid=1178724000686

 
zaki.aumeerudy said:
One of the general rule of fiqh shariah is that everything that leads to haraam is haraam (if u read much about islaam u should know that)
Music leads to inter mingling of man and woman
e.g music leads to dancing .when u dance with a girl u should touch her and thsi also leads to zinaa/adultery which may lead to baby born without marriage and lead to....... the chain is long .I Hope my explanation is not difficult
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The "slippery slope" fallacy explained
 
Muslim Woman, okay so there isn't in the Koran. How about the Hadiths or Surays is apostacy punishable by death in them?
 
gmcbroom said:
Muslim Woman, okay so there isn't in the Koran. How about the Hadiths or Surays is apostacy punishable by death in them?
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Capital punishment for apostasy is virtually impossible unless it is accompanied by treason to the Nation. We have even had a few apostates as members here. While they did not get a very friendly reception, none were ever threatened with capital Punishment. There are apostates living normal lives in Islamic Nations even in Saudi and Iran. They are in no danger of being arrested and executed as long as they do not carry their apostasy to the level of treason.
 
gmcbroom said:
Muslim Woman, okay so there isn't in the Koran. How about the Hadiths or Surays is apostacy punishable by death in them?
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Is apostacy punishable by death in the Qur'an? NO.

Is apostacy punishable by death in the Bible? YES.

Why do christians (and yes, this includes catholics) keep mixing up things and confusing matters?
 
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The Vales Lily, Because he loves us. If he didn't he wouldn't have sent his prophets to warn us, or his Son to save us. I know it's difficult to believe but that's where faith comes in.
Peace be with you.
gmcbroom
 
gmcbroom said:
The Vales Lily, Because he loves us. If he didn't he wouldn't have sent his prophets to warn us, or his Son to save us. I know it's difficult to believe but that's where faith comes in. Peace be with you. gmcbroom
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It actually doesn't answer the question, was the god of the OT not loving? and if he wasn't, is he that same god? Or did this god simply change his mind? Were people not saved before the son was sent?
faith is no good without a reasonable judgment behind it .. they must go hand in hand!

all the best
 
gmcbroom said:
According to whom? Peace be with you gmcbroom
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I don't understand your question.. in fact answering a question with another question will not be very facilitative to this discussion!

all the best
 
The Vales Lily,
Truth, be told you'd have to ask him. Icould refence Psalms 5:5 and 11:5 are also true and that's Old Testament. And I could tell you that God is love and reference John 3:16 which is New Testament. However, I don't think that fully answers your questions. So did he change his mind or was this all part of a divine plan? Truth be told as we're human we're limited so it becomes a matter of faith. God is capable of all things after all he's God.
Peace be with you
gmcbroom
 
gmcbroom said:
The Vales Lily, Truth, be told you'd have to ask him. Icould refence Psalms 5:5 and 11:5 are also true and that's Old Testament. And I could tell you that God is love and reference John 3:16 which is New Testament. However, I don't think that fully answers your questions. So did he change his mind or was this all part of a divine plan? Truth be told as we're human we're limited so it becomes a matter of faith. God is capable of all things after all he's God. Peace be with you gmcbroom
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When you're speaking about the very essence of your salvation it should not require a group of theologians, it should be an accessible message for paupers and scholars alike!
If You're speaking of the same god, then said God doesn't need detours, doesn't need self-immolation, doesn't need ineffectual apostles, doesn't need to forsake himself, doesn't need to be born of a woman, doesn't need to pray to himself and above all needs not to die..
You should realize that with Christianity you've introduced an entirely new god that isn't in concert with Abrahamic religion!

all the best
 
The Vales Lily,
I was agreeing with your previous statements about God not needing this and that. However, we as humans do need it. To help us reach God. Though admittedly I don't understand the self immolation reference. Jesus was crucified after all, not burned.
Peace be with you.
gmcbroom
 
gmcbroom said:
The Vales Lily, I was agreeing with your previous statements about God not needing this and that. However, we as humans do need it. To help us reach God. Though admittedly I don't understand the self immolation reference. Jesus was crucified after all, not burned. Peace be with you. gmcbroom
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You have failed to establish why it was needed-- and failed to reconcile that with what becomes of the people before Jesus and why they didn't need it. Lastly, does it matter what method with which god dies? to self immolate is to be offered as a sacrifice per dictionary? Death by whatever means doesn't reconcile with the concept of the originator!

all the best
 
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One of the concepts of Christianity that I could not reconcile and seems to be quite contradictory to Christianity. Just going through thoughts and my conclusions. I could no longer follow Christianity after coming to this realization.

1. Jesus(as) is God
2. God(swt) knows all things
3.Jesus(as)knew he was going to be a sacrifice before becoming man
4.Deliberatly becoming a self sacrifice is suicide.
5.Jesus(as) committed suicide by being a willing sacrifice
6. Suicide is a very grave sin
7. Jesus(as) sinned by committing suicide.

Those 7 thoughts are essentially what I found Christianity to be saying, the church teachings just reworded things to make it look honorable and a holy event instead of an act of self destruction.
 
Woodrow said:
One of the concepts of Christianity that I could not reconcile and seems to be quite contradictory to Christianity. Just going through thoughts and my conclusions. I could no longer follow Christianity after coming to this realization.

1. Jesus(as) is God
2. God(swt) knows all things
3.Jesus(as)knew he was going to be a sacrifice before becoming man
4.Deliberatly becoming a self sacrifice is suicide.
5.Jesus(as) committed suicide by being a willing sacrifice
6. Suicide is a very grave sin
7. Jesus(as) sinned by committing suicide.

Those 7 thoughts are essentially what I found Christianity to be saying, the church teachings just reworded things to make it look honorable and a holy event instead of an act of self destruction.
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from a personal point of view i think the first three points negate the rest,

i havent read the bible but didnt jesus AS cry out to his lord asking why he'd been forsaken... dont know what context or how correct my understanding is so feel free to clarify.

maybe he was expecting a miracle.

*i have to partially agree with the first point although not in the way its implied, he was the will of god... before the mangod issue arrises and the shirk issue arrises let me ask you if you lived 1400 years ago and you were blessed enough to meet the prophet mohammed SAW i would have been more than happy to think of him as the will of god.. i cant say that i wouldnt have bowed before him(i would have) but he asked for the people to bow with him.. and this is the understanding of the difference between what is implied by the first point and what is understood by the first point.
..in my oppinion anyway.

also giving ones life in the way of allah is not suicide, taking ones life is... the whole paccafist thing i can agree with.
in my head this does not contradict anything in islam i can more than make the distinction between war and day to day life.. the rules for both are clearly defined.
 
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M.I.A. said:
from a personal point of view i think the first three points negate the rest,

i havent read the bible but didnt jesus AS cry out to his lord asking why he'd been forsaken... dont know what context or how correct my understanding is so feel free to clarify.

maybe he was expecting a miracle.

*i have to partially agree with the first point although not in the way its implied, he was the will of god... before the mangod issue arrises and the shirk issue arrises let me ask you if you lived 1400 years ago and you were blessed enough to meet the prophet mohammed SAW i would have been more than happy to think of him as the will of god.. i cant say that i wouldnt have bowed before him(i would have) but he asked for the people to bow with him.. and this is the understanding of the difference between what is implied by the first point and what is understood by the first point.
..in my oppinion anyway.

also giving ones life in the way of allah is not suicide, taking ones life is... the whole paccafist thing i can agree with.
in my head this does not contradict anything in islam i can more than make the distinction between war and day to day life.. the rules for both are clearly defined.
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i dont know what your belief is, it sounds like your belief is a syncretism between islam and christianity. (and by christianity here I mean NOT the real message conveyed by prophet Isa as, but the ones preached by paul and other priests and rabbis.) You seem to believe that jesus as died on a cross. Which takes you outside islam because that means you do not believe in the word of Allah as stated in the Qur'an.
sitting on a fence won't save you during judgement day.

your whole paragraphs is so full of holes.

this is what christians believe :

christians assert that jesus is god
god knows all things
so jesus must have known he was going to kill himself
god committed suicide

if that is good enough for you, then go for it.
 
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