Libya Protests

[Al-Mufarridun]

Do you actually have any source for that load of rubbish that you've 'gathered'? Perhaps the text of the relevant speech? The idea of occupying Italian forces there for 'obvious reasons' (by which I assume you mean the usual line about stealing all the oil) is particularly hilarious. Mussolini has been dead for a while, now!

Back in the real world. The UN World Food Program has stated that the food supply chain in Libya is close to collapse. Hopefully, for all concerned, things will resolve themselves quickly, so that doesn't happen. If it did, though, what would you want to happen? Or to rephrase that, to avoid any joke suggestions such as the Arab League or the 'Islamic World' actually doing anything other than sitting on their collective backsides, what would you want to happen that actually might?

Italy Suspends Nonaggression Pact With Libya

‎US neo-cons urge Libya intervention


We must stand ready to intervene in Libya

‎West weighs military measures‎

What can the US do about Libya?


NATO Most Likely Would Intervene in Libya: Report

‎Analysts: More Libyan bloodshed could prompt US, NATO intervention‎



As for Erdogan's comments;


Turkey’s Erdogan said sanctions would do more harm than good for Libyans.


“Libyans who face starvation and death will face more difficulties and desperation in the event of sanctions,” he said. “The Middle East and Africa have been viewed by the West as merely sources of oil and used as pawns in oil wars for decades. People take to the streets because they are fed up with being used as pawns in oil wars for decades.” Source




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[Ummu Sufyaan]

these protests are just heart wrenching. may allah have mercy on those who have been killed becuase of them.

 

[Trumble]

Erdogan's post says nothing like what you claim it does. None of the others suggest the possibility of anything other than humanitarian intervention with UN approval, should it prove necessary.

Now, I said

Back in the real world. The UN World Food Program has stated that the food supply chain in Libya is close to collapse. Hopefully, for all concerned, things will resolve themselves quickly, so that doesn't happen. If it did, though, what would you want to happen? Or to rephrase that, to avoid any joke suggestions such as the Arab League or the 'Islamic World' actually doing anything other than sitting on their collective backsides, what would you want to happen that actually might?

Can you actually manage an answer?

 

[GuestFellow]

Yes, lets not insult other people's religion.

Update:

Gaddafi says 'all my people love me'

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

Back in the real world. The UN World Food Program has stated that the food supply chain in Libya is close to collapse. Hopefully, for all concerned, things will resolve themselves quickly, so that doesn't happen. If it did, though, what would you want to happen? Or to rephrase that, to avoid any joke suggestions such as the Arab League or the 'Islamic World' actually doing anything other than sitting on their collective backsides, what would you want to happen that actually might?

Can you actually manage an answer?

Regarding the Humanitarian crisis. The world is welcome to do what they can to assist the people of Libya, or any other people in need. The aid should be done in a way that is free from any hidden political, economical interests/agendas. If the U.S., U.K. or Italy are sincere in their efforts to assist the people of Libya, they should permit Turkey, a Muslim Nato member, to head any mission that is undertaken, whether from Nato or U.N. They are more than capable of undertaking such a mission, and the people of Libya will be by far more trusting of their Turkish brethren's intentions than those of the West. What do you say of that?



Turkey completes Libya evacuations, starts sending aid

 

[Zuzubu]

Guys I'm telling you, you can be 95% sure that Jordan will be safe. People love them. Only a very small amount of people don't like them.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam


Libya is united in popular revolution – please don't intervene

We welcome a no-fly zone, but the blood of Libya's dead will be wasted if the west curses our uprising with failed intervention

[Cut the first half the article out so it doesnt become a wall of text]

All Libyans, even the pro-Gaddafi minority, believe that it's only a matter of time before Libya regains its freedom. But the frightening question remains: how many martyrs will fall before Gaddafi does? How many souls will he take before the curse is broken?

This happy ending, however, is marred by a fear shared by all Libyans; that of a possible western military intervention to end the crisis.

Don't get me wrong. I, like most Libyans, believe that imposing a no-fly zone would be a good way to deal the regime a hard blow on many levels; it would cut the route of the mercenary convoys summoned from Africa, it would prevent Gaddafi from smuggling money and other assets, and most importantly it would stop the regime from bombing weapons arsenals that many eyewitnesses have maintained contain chemical weapons; something that would unleash an unimaginable catastrophe, not to mention that his planes might actually carry such weapons.

Nevertheless, one thing seems to have united Libyans of all stripes; any military intervention on the ground by any foreign force would be met – as Mustafa Abud Al Jeleil, the former justice minister and head of the opposition-formed interim government, said – with fighting much harsher than what the mercenaries themselves have unleashed.

Nor do I favour the possibility of a limited air strike for specific targets. This is a wholly popular revolution, the fuel to which has been the blood of the Libyan people. Libyans fought alone when western countries were busy ignoring their revolution at the beginning, fearful of their interests in Libya. This is why I'd like the revolution to be ended by those who first started it: the people of Libya.

So as the calls for foreign intervention grow, I'd like to send a message to western leaders: Obama, Cameron, Sarkozy. This is a priceless opportunity that has fallen into your laps, it's a chance for you to improve your image in the eyes of Arabs and Muslims. Don't mess it up. All your previous programmes to bring the east and the west closer have failed, and some of them have made things even worse. Don't start something you cannot finish, don't turn a people's pure revolution into some curse that will befall everyone. Don't waste the blood that my friend Ahmed spilt for me.

Let us just live as neighbours on the same planet. Who knows, may be I as your neighbour might one day show up at your doorstep to happily shake your han

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/01/libya-revolution-no-fly-zone

Rather polite - but surely they understand that if the west intervenes particularly with boots on the ground it will be the kiss of death.

 

[Maryan0]

Inshallah this ends well. Tribal and sectarian societies can very easily fall apart in times of civil unrest.
Salam

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Libyan protesters shouting the Shahada -

May Allah(swt) listen to their payers Inshallah!

 

[Trumble]

Regarding the Humanitarian crisis. The world is welcome to do what they can to assist the people of Libya, or any other people in need. The aid should be done in a way that is free from any hidden political, economical interests/agendas. If the U.S., U.K. or Italy are sincere in their efforts to assist the people of Libya, they should permit Turkey, a Muslim Nato member, to head any mission that is undertaken, whether from Nato or U.N. They are more than capable of undertaking such a mission, and the people of Libya will be by far more trusting of their Turkish brethren's intentions than those of the West. What do you say of that?

I'd say that is pretty much the same scenario as actually presented (as opposed to 'gathered by you') in the articles you linked to! :hiding: I'm sure if Turkey is capable and willing to undertake the mission there would be no problem in them 'leading' it, as long as their contribution relative to that of others justifies it.

 

[Argamemnon]

Do you actually have any source for that load of rubbish that you've 'gathered'? Perhaps the text of the relevant speech? The idea of occupying Italian forces there for 'obvious reasons' (by which I assume you mean the usual line about stealing all the oil) is particularly hilarious. Mussolini has been dead for a while, now!

Back in the real world. The UN World Food Program has stated that the food supply chain in Libya is close to collapse. Hopefully, for all concerned, things will resolve themselves quickly, so that doesn't happen. If it did, though, what would you want to happen? Or to rephrase that, to avoid any joke suggestions such as the Arab League or the 'Islamic World' actually doing anything other than sitting on their collective backsides, what would you want to happen that actually might?

You should read a few good books on western imperialism and hegemony, for example those written by William Blum; they are superb scholarly works. We know the West very well and we know what they have been doing to our countries for centuries my naive Buddhist friend. Seriously, only idiots would trust anything the West says or does; ask those living in the Middle East and Africa. We have learned from experience not to trust western states and so called "International organizations". I kindly ask you to stop portraying western states and institutions as forces of good, which they rarely are !!!

 

[Beardo]

I'm wondering what'll happen after Gadhafi either steps down or gets assassinated. Libya is a tribal system, innit? So who will take power after he leaves?

 

[Ramadhan]

It seems that the west is already out with massive PR forces to condition world's opinion that situation in Libya require intervention from foreign forces.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

^i know. they are so stupid :hmm:

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through western media im hearing that "rebels" have gained control over certain cities. i bet America are going to use this excuse to invade libiya.

 

[drafarali]

i completely agree with u thats what i thought about gaddafi ....if we have some Libyan members here we need to confirm it ...form what i heard is that people who r rebelling against gaddafi are the wannabe politician who want to become wealthy and the TV channels they show people r fleeing Libya those people who r felling r not Libyans they r illegal Egyptian workers who r fleeing what i think is that people u know whom i am talking about r trying to create unrest in the islamic countires and make em more modern more westernized u cant just have a revolution just like that there r people with different perspective behind it .....this is my view and from what i heard from a friend of mine who visited libya recently the rest is up to u ..

This is strange! all of what I heard about Qaddafi is good, they said that he is giving his people a good share of the country's wealth. I heard also that any Libyan have a fixed salary since he born till he die! He always call for the unity of Middle east countries
Do we have any Libyan members here? we need to confirm such info.
Keep in mind that his supporters are way more than the protesters.

 

[drafarali]

they most definatly r going to use that as an excuse ..... and those rebels r none other than pawns of some wealthy rich wannabe politician i feel bad for the normal libyan people who have nuttin to do with this and my sympathies to all the people who r suffering ...the news says 84 dead how many more r going to die when these people start to attack libya ...they seem to show the world that by killing u can bring peace ...thats a shame

 

[GuestFellow]

I'm wondering what'll happen after Gadhafi either steps down or gets assassinated. Libya is a tribal system, innit? So who will take power after he leaves?

Salaam,

No one knows. The main problem with all of these protests is that there is no unified movement.

 

[Muhaba]

it is terrible. who is at fault. the ruler or the public? i don't know anything about Qadafi. what kind of ruler is he? what is life like in Libya? can anyone provide concrete verifiable facts instead of just saying he's a rubbish ruler, its a rubbish law system, etc etc.

 

[GuestFellow]

it is terrible. who is at fault. the ruler or the public? i don't know anything about Qadafi. what kind of ruler is he? what is life like in Libya? can anyone provide concrete verifiable facts instead of just saying he's a rubbish ruler, its a rubbish law system, etc etc.

Muammar Gaddafi Profile

^ Hope this helps.

 

[Dagless]

it is terrible. who is at fault. the ruler or the public? i don't know anything about Qadafi. what kind of ruler is he? what is life like in Libya? can anyone provide concrete verifiable facts instead of just saying he's a rubbish ruler, its a rubbish law system, etc etc.

How can the public be at fault? If 90+% of the population want him out it doesn't matter if he's the best ruler in the world; he should still go. It's not worth killing off almost the entire population of your country to stay in power.
Btw now he says he's not a political leader or ruler, so I'm not sure what he thinks he does or why he gets all that cash. Maybe if the people can decide on a costume he could be the Libyan mascot.. like for when they have football matches away and stuff.