Libya Protests

[Muhaba]

is the law islamic law? is hijab compulsary? i heard that libya was trying to make all banks islamic banks. that was a good step.

 

[جوري]

is the law islamic law? is hijab compulsary? i heard that libya was trying to make all banks islamic banks. that was a good step.

Sister pls. watch the 47 min documentary I posted on this thread.. Don't think that there is anything Islamic at all about the green book kaffir..Don't think that throwing people a bone is a substitute for the heinous crimes he's committed against Muslims and others..

 

[Cabdullahi]

Sister pls. watch the 47 min documentary I posted on this thread.. Don't think that there is anything Islamic at all about the green book kaffir..Don't think that throwing people a bone is a substitute for the heinous crimes he's committed against Muslims and others..

Yo skye check this out :

Qaddafi's Satanic books

 

[GuestFellow]

^ That is bizarre.

 

[Argamemnon]

Some writers are claiming that this whole thing starting with Egypt is a new Pan-Arabic nationalist movement. I hope this isn't true since Egypt and other Arab countries can't accomplish anything without Turkey, and Turkey can't accomplish anything without Arab countries, especially Egypt. If there is no comprehensive cooperation between all countries in the region not much will change.

 

[جوري]

Some writers are claiming that this whole thing starting with Egypt is a new Pan-Arabic nationalist movement. I hope this isn't true since Egypt and other Arab countries can't accomplish anything without Turkey, and Turkey can't accomplish anything without Arab countries, especially Egypt. If there is no comprehensive cooperation between all countries in the region not much will change.

Everyone can come and take credit for the movement even the boogie man.. fact is this is a grassroots movement of folks who have been had.. no one knows where this will end up but I can tell you one thing for sure.. if the west interferes in Libya it will spell disaster.. the scholars have already passed kuffr on these leaders so what are the people waiting for? It is time to take the kaffir regimes down!

 

[Argamemnon]

Everyone can come and take credit for the movement even the boogie man.. fact is this is a grassroots movement of folks who have been had.. no one knows where this will end up but I can tell you one thing for sure.. if the west interferes in Libya it will spell disaster.. the scholars have already passed kuffr on these leaders so what are the people waiting for? It is time to take the kaffir regimes down!

I agree.. (and I have watched that documentary about Khadafi).. and by the way, Turkey was not much different than Egypt only a decade ago. Yesterday I saw a truly unbelievable documentary about how certain Turkish generals and commanders were mere servants and unquestionably obeying their Israeli masters. It was quite shameful to watch. Sadly it's in Turkish I wish you could see it. We have so many traitor kafirs in our countries whether it's Turkey or Egypt makes no difference. These people are really everywhere; in the media, the army, in politics, in universities and so on.

 

[Argamemnon]

It seems that the west is already out with massive PR forces to condition world's opinion that situation in Libya require intervention from foreign forces.

A very typical western attitude, forming public opinion, demonizing people/countries, then intervene to profit...

 

[جوري]

I agree.. (and I have watched that documentary about Khadafi).. and by the way, Turkey was not much different than Egypt only a decade ago. Yesterday I saw a truly unbelievable documentary about how certain Turkish generals and commanders were mere servants and unquestionably obeying their Israeli masters. It was quite shameful to watch. Sadly it's in Turkish I wish you could see it. We have so many traitor kafirs in our countries whether it's Turkey or Egypt makes no difference. These people are really everywhere; in the media, the army, in politics, in universities and so on.

I have to admit that there are certain pluses that Turkey has that Egypt doesn't.. some economic stability for one..I have a favorable opinion of Turkey on the account all the turkish Muslims I have encountered were very observant and in contrast with Iranians who couldn't wait to get out of Iran to be all sorts of devils..
I am still very hopeful for Turkey to be a part of an Islamic super power insha'Allah..

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

it would be interesting to see who is behind these air strikes. i wonder what the reality of the situation in Libya really is.

 

[Argamemnon]

I have to admit that there are certain pluses that Turkey has that Egypt doesn't.. some economic stability for one..I have a favorable opinion of Turkey on the account all the turkish Muslims I have encountered were very observant and in contrast with Iranians who couldn't wait to get out of Iran to be all sorts of devils..
I am still very hopeful for Turkey to be a part of an Islamic super power insha'Allah..

Iranians living abroad are strange, most of them seem to reject Islam and are Shah lovers, that brutal puppet dictator. I hope these people are not representative of Iran as a whole, and I'm sure they aren't...

You are correct about Turkey's economy but unfortunately more people have turned to materialism and hedonism after this 'economic success'. There are still millions of poor people in the country, Turkey is not a rich country (yet).. let's hope that Egypt will become an economic powerhouse, but without Egyptian society slowly turning away from Islam.. why can't we be pious and economically strong at the same time? Insha'Allah Egypt will be the first example, who knows..

I almost forgot; those practicing and pious Turks you see in the US are usually those who have fled the oppressive secular Turkish regime. Do you know the Fethullah Gülen movement for example ? They have a strong presence in the U.S.. interestingly, some Islamic groups in Turkey consider Gülen's movement as some sort of Zionist plot or something, lol..

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

اللهُمَّ أَعِزَّ الإِسْلامَ وَالمُسْلِمِينَ، اللهُمَّ أَعِزَّ الإِسْلامَ وَالمُسْلِمِينَ،
وَأَذِلَّ الشِّرْكَ وَالمُشْرِكِينَ وَدَمِّرْ أَعْدآءَ الدِّينِ وَاحْمِ حَوْزَةَ الإسْلامِ يَا رَبَّ العَالَمِينَ​

 

[Pygoscelis]

So what is the consensus on western interference in this? I know that people in this country would be resentful of it and it would not be welcome (and I understand why), but I have also heard some calls for it. Some are saying that minimal air strikes may help the rebels overcome Qadaffi. A rebel was on the cbc today pleading for this, saying that the libyan rebels have no means of dealing with government air strikes agaisnt them.

After the debacle in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other interventionist action the west has taken at the expense of the middle east for ages now, what would be the reaction to western air strikes on Qadaffi's forces? Would it unite the rebels with Qadaffi agaisnt the west as Qadaffi claims or would it lift the morale of the rebels and help their cause?

And the other major question from a western perspective is even if the rebels wanted western help against Qadaffi, could helping overthrow Qadaffi be a major blunder and put somebody even worse in power? I think this was echoed in the words of Hillary Clinton's lastest speech on the topic.

 

[Argamemnon]

And the other major question from a western perspective is even if the rebels wanted western help against Qadaffi, could helping overthrow Qadaffi be a major blunder and put somebody even worse in power? I think this was echoed in the words of Hillary Clinton's lastest speech on the topic.

This arrogant and extremely selfish attitude is what we can't stand and frankly are sick and tired of. The West only cares about (economic) interests, they don't view others as human beings but as objects or resources to exploit !!!!!!!

No, there is no consensus on anything in the "Islamic world" much to the delight of western rogue regimes; that is why we are in this deplorable situation in the first place.

 

[Pygoscelis]

This arrogant and extremely selfish attitude is what we can't stand and frankly are sick and tired of. The West only cares about (economic) interests, they don't view others as human beings but as objects or resources to exploit !!!!!!!

How is it arrogant or selfish to not know what if anything is desired of you by the Lybian people or if your help may do more harm than good?

I understand this attitude you project as the west as selfish, exploitive, and evil, and therefore the question is a real one as to wether the west should just ignore and steer clear of an event such as this to stop being so interventionist (or selfish as you put it), or send aid in the form of food and reserouces etc as Canada is now doing, or do something with military forces to help out as England has suggested.

Which course of action would you prefer the west take?

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Which course of action would you prefer the west take?

To mind its own business.

After all its not as if Western governments and businesses have had problems dealing with Gaddafi in the past.

For anybody who finds this funny, notice as soon as serious and sustain protests engulfed Libya 'viola!'. They realise that Gaddafi is a 'tyrant' and that the peoples of Libya need 'freedom' and 'democracy'.

Truly an amazing transformation.

Though I wont deny that western governments are interested in 'liberating' Libya'. Namely liberating its 'oil fields'.

If we look at the record of western attempts to bring 'freedom' to the benighted masses over the centuries it has come at a horrendous price.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_War_of_Independence

Just one example, Cuba who made the fateful error of asking for American help, they got it but at a terrbile price as history has shown.

On the question of aid, its big business so no wonder governments are desperate to send aid to Libya. And the idea that the British can send in the military is a non starter, they'll need the say so from the Godfather.

This is the Libyans fight they must do this on their own. THe only alternative is a (genuine) UN force with strict time limits and strict terms of engagement.

George Galloway: 'The people of Libya will bring down the dictator'

Good (radio) discussion on the subject.

 

[Trumble]

For anybody who finds this funny, notice as soon as serious and sustain protests engulfed Libya 'viola!'. They realise that Gaddafi is a 'tyrant' and that the peoples of Libya need 'freedom' and 'democracy'.

Truly an amazing transformation.

Almost as amazing a transformation as those who had Gaddafi as their favourite poster boy for years because he annoyed the Americans so much now realizing that he is a 'tyrant' and the peoples of Libya supposedly need an Islamist government.

Sometimes the hypocrisy on these boards is breathtaking.

George Galloway: 'The people of Libya will bring down the dictator'

Let's hope not too many get killed by his airstrikes and mercenaries first.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Almost as amazing a transformation as those who had Gaddafi as their favourite poster boy for years because he annoyed the Americans so much now realizing that he is a 'tyrant' and the peoples of Libya supposedly need an Islamist government.

Sometimes the hypocrisy on these boards is breathtaking.

Who on this board said this?

 

[Argamemnon]

Almost as amazing a transformation as those who had Gaddafi as their favourite poster boy for years because he annoyed the Americans so much now realizing that he is a 'tyrant' and the peoples of Libya supposedly need an Islamist government.

Sometimes the hypocrisy on these boards is breathtaking.




Let's hope not too many get killed by his airstrikes and mercenaries first.

As if western states care (or have ever cared) about Muslim civilians who are ruled by tyrants. In most cases these tyrants are serving western interests and some of those regimes have been installed by the West.

 

[GuestFellow]

As if western states care (or have ever cared) about Muslim civilians who are ruled by tyrants. In most cases these tyrants are serving western interests and some of those regimes have been installed by the West.

I agree. The mainstream media rarely reports about the relationship between Uzbekistan and America + UK. Uzbekistan is a dictatorship and tortures civilians, most who are Muslims.

It is much easier for a country to work with a dictatorship because dictators can put foreign needs first rather than its own civilians...