Is learning magic haram?

[Zuzubu]

I can know how to contact the shaitaan then.

 

[Woodrow]

I can know how to contact the shaitaan then.

Sadly, there is no training required to do that. All of us do so any time we ignore Allaah(swt). The secret is to learn how to not contact Shaitan, we all need to learn how to stop contacting him. The second we stop trying to keep in contact with Allaah(swt) we are in contact with Shaitan. No need to go to Shaitan, he is always waiting to come to you.

 

[Zuzubu]

I meant in magic wise

 

[Woodrow]

I meant in magic wise

No training required. The assorted mumbo-jumbo and incantations are meaningless. Just a carrot being waved in front of jackasses to keep them from seeing they have sold their souls to to Shaitan and are now running as fast as they can to jump into the pit of hellfire.

Read Books such as those "memberX" named a few posts back. Learn how to avoid magic and how to give up the temptation to learn how to do it.

A person does not do magic anyhow. It is the shaitan and/or evil Jinn that are the ones doing that and they are sitting back laughing at the stupidity of humans who are unknowingly worshiping them.

 

[Little_Lion]

If you are expecting the shaytan, or anything else for that matter, to appear in a puff of smoke, you will be sorely disappointed. If you think that ANY sort of magic, be it "good" or "evil", will do anything for you that you cannot do yourself in the grace of Allah, you will be sorely disappointed. Frankly, if you think it will do anything AT ALL, other than send you to the hellfire, you will be sorely disappointed. You'll end up doing nothing but spending money on a bunch of useless props, saying a bunch of made-up words, and then trying to figure out how to get all the incense and candle smoke out of your house because your smoke alarms are going off!

I think someday I'll start a thread in "Comparative Religion" about the religions that use magic, and some of their practices (in general, not step by step instruction), so that people can be educated as to what it is really like from an insider's experience. And also how best to make da'wah to these religions, as they too have just as many misconceptions about us, even if more generally in a good way than most of the West.

 

[Zuzubu]

True it is very bad.

Besidesit is makhruu to learn something u aint going to use, but it is not haram to learn it.

 

[Little_Lion]

My sincere concern for you, Zuzubu, is that from your responses and questions here, that you may decide to try it, just out of curiosity. Concerns of the afterlife aside, there's a lot that could go wrong with this. First off, there is no such thing - none whatsoever - as a reputable book on the subject. I don't say this just because I am no longer a follower, but because even when I was, it was the truth. Any text on magic is conglomerations of symbols, interpretations of past practices (usually quite wrong), and author musings on how things may have been possibly done at one point of time with absolutely no historical basis, just guesses. Actually I can only think of one text that has come down unchanged, from the 1500's, but that one was written by someone who took a LOT of drugs and by historical accounts was being led on by a scam artist.

Secondly, many "instructional books", with the intent of sounding scary or authentic, urge the reader to do things that are downright dangerous, such as cutting themselves or mixing up herbs and ingesting them or rubbing them on their bodies. More often or not the author has no regard to the health effects of such things, and I have even seen books suggest that people take herbs into their bodies that are downright dangerous; even worse, they suggest that people go out and pick them themselves, and most people can't tell spearmint from poison ivy, never mind actually tell if the plants grow in their area.

And last, "magic", in any sense, is purely psychological. This goes from trying to make someone fall in love with you to Sigfried and Roy and their tigers. Magic is nothing more than convincing yourself something has happened, or will happen. That's it, that's the big secret behind magic, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or misinformed. It can be being convinced someone has cast a spell on you, in which you are likely to then look for anything negative to blame on it, to convincing yourself that you cast a good spell on someone to make them healthy, in which case the person may believe they are now healthier, and recover. But there is no such thing as a rich witch, as they say; I've never heard of anyone who uses magic actually winning the lottery, which if magic worked, would happen all the time!

Knowledge is a good thing, brother, and I commend you for looking to expand yours. But please take it from someone who has been there, done that, and gotten the T-shirt . . . this would be a road that nothing good would come of. At the very least, you would be wasting your time studying something that is just plain false from every angle; you would be doing just as much good to yourself studying the Harry Potter books as if they were non-fiction. And at the worst you could convince yourself it was actually real.

 

[Zuzubu]

Little sis', magic exists. The qur'an and hadith, is prove.

 

[Ramadhan]

And last, "magic", in any sense, is purely psychological. This goes from trying to make someone fall in love with you to Sigfried and Roy and their tigers. Magic is nothing more than convincing yourself something has happened, or will happen. That's it, that's the big secret behind magic, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or misinformed

I have to correct you on this part, sister.

True magic does indeed exist, and you have to believe in it.
Why?
Because Allah says so in the Qur'an, as many posts have explained in this thread alone. So if you don't believe magic actually exist, you have disbelieved Allah SWT.

Just because real magic does not exist or not practiced by people in your part of the world, it does not mean it does not exist.
Even Prophet Muhammad SAW was afflicted by "sihir" (magic) by a jewish witch and not until Allah SWT revealed surah al Falaq, and he was informed where part of his hair along with other magical stuff was hidden in a well was his affliction cured.

There's a lot of people practicing magic in Indonesia and I've seen it with my own eyes.
Even an uncle of mine was a victim of black magic. Doctors had to perform surgery on him because he had totally inexplicably in his stomach balls of hair with many nails (real big steel nails, like the ones that you hammer with when you attach woods) inside it.

Allah even says in the Qur'an about djinn who go up to the heavens to eavesdrop conversation between angels who are receiving Allah commands for future events, and Allah makes some sort of stars/burning lights to chase after and struck the djinn, and later the djinn share the information they stole with many soothsayers/fortunetellers, after they first mixed it all up with their(the djinn) own hundred lies.

Again, just to share the concern, learning to perform magic is absolutely haram, because it will definitely lead you to believe something other than Allah has the power over things, and that is Shirk akbar. Unless you ask for forgiveness before death, shirk akbar will not be forgiven.
na'udzubillaahi min dzalik.

 

[Insaanah]

look at the real translation

I see. So the learned Dr Bilal Phillips has used a fake translation? Laa howla wa laa quwwata illa billah..

dont use bad translations.

MaashaAllah you must be quite learned yourself in the Arabic language to be able to call a translation bad. Ok, lets look at several of the best known:

Sahih International
And they followed [instead] what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah . And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.

Muhsin Khan
They followed what the Shayatin (devils) gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Sulaiman (Solomon). Sulaiman did not disbelieve, but the Shayatin (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things that came down at Babylon to the two angels, Harut and Marut, but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)." And from these (angels) people learn that by which they cause separation between man and his wife, but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's Leave. And they learn that which harms them and profits them not. And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the Hereafter. And how bad indeed was that for which they sold their ownselves, if they but knew.

Pickthall
And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic and that which was revealed to the two angels in Babel, Harut and Marut. Nor did they (the two angels) teach it to anyone till they had said: We are only a temptation, therefore disbelieve not (in the guidance of Allah). And from these two (angles) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no-one save by Allah's leave. And they learn that which harmeth them and profiteth them not. And surely they do know that he who trafficketh therein will have no (happy) portion in the Hereafter; and surely evil is the price for which they sell their souls, if they but knew.

Yusuf Ali
They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!

I can know how to contact the shaitaan then

Sahih International
And [mention, O Muhammad], the Day when He will gather them together [and say], "O company of jinn, you have [misled] many of mankind." And their allies among mankind will say, "Our Lord, some of us made use of others, and we have [now] reached our term, which you appointed for us." He will say, "The Fire is your residence, wherein you will abide eternally, except for what Allah wills. Indeed, your Lord is Wise and Knowing."

Muhsin Khan
And on the Day when He will gather them (all) together (and say): "O you assembly of jinns! Many did you mislead of men," and their Auliya' (friends and helpers, etc.) amongst men will say: "Our Lord! We benefited one from the other, but now we have reached our appointed term which You did appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place, you will dwell therein forever, except as Allah may will. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing."

Pickthall
In the day when He will gather them together (He will say): O ye assembly of the jinn! Many of humankind did ye seduce. And their adherents among humankind will say: Our Lord! We enjoyed one another, but now we have arrived at the appointed term which Thou appointedst for us. He will say: Fire is your home. Abide therein for ever, save him whom Allah willeth (to deliver). Lo! thy Lord is Wise, Aware.

Yusuf Ali
One day will He gather them all together, (and say): "O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say: "Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.

Qur'an (6:128)

As I said before, the truth is clear, and the choice is yours as to what you decide to follow. May you make the right choice. Ameen.

 

[Little_Lion]

Jazak'Allah khayr, to those who have corrected me. You both speak truth, and I misspoke - I should have said, that magic as Westerners practice it today, witchcraft and potions and magic circles and things you would find in the occult section of the local bookstore - is completely false. My sincerest apologies for potentially spreading misinformation, may Allah see fit to forgive me for my misdeed. Thank you again.

 

[Zuzubu]

Alright, thanks.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

True it is very bad.

Besidesit is makhruu to learn something u aint going to use, but it is not haram to learn it.

Assalaamu Alaaykum

Brother, i thought you was asking the question, so how did you come to the conclusion that it is haraam?


It is ofcourse 100% wrong in Islaam to practice or learn something which is unnessary, but it doesnt mean it is either permissable in any way. But even i am not going to claim its "haraam", i have no source as of yet. Better to ask someone knowledageable.

Insha'Allaah the posts that have been posted help you, as they are from Qur'aan and Ahadeeth.

may Allaah increase you in knowledge and grant you happiness in this life and the akhirah Ameen

.. peace ..

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Engaging in magic is a serious sin. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned it among the seven greatest sins, and Allah Himself condemned it unequivocally in the Qur'an.

Imam Kamal ibn al-Humam (Allah have mercy on him) explained in Fath al-Qadir (6.99) that, "The learning of magic is forbidden without disagreement among the people of knowledge. Believing magic to be permitted is disbelief ( kufr)."

And Allah knows best in all matters

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