List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

[Grace Seeker]

Catholicism is quite exact over what it defines as a heretic. You are correct, in accordance with the Catholic Church I am considered a heretic as I was once Catholic and my Brother MustafaMc is not because he never was a Catholic. This is even while both he and I have very similar histories.

Thank-you, Woodrow. I know you didn't post that to defend me, just to defend truth. But I appreciate it nonetheless.

And since like MustafaMc I have never been Catholic, I also would not be considered a heretic even though there are some points on which the Catholic church and I would disagree. Of course there are many more points on which we would agree. So, for those of us who are followers of Christ, but not connected to the Catholic church, Catholics have another term they call us by -- "separated brethren."

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

I never really had wish list for myself, however since I become Muslim, I had one "to die Real Muslim Inshallah" Oh this makes me cry... what else we need??? really praying 5times/day, waking up 3am to pray, fasting, worshipping ONE TRUE GOD is more than worth it. Life becomes so easy so peaceful so beautiful because of Islam,,, alhamdollelah,

Salaam sister,

This made me so happy, masha Allah! You just summarized everything I have been trying to explain to my family (and myself) for the past week. What a wonderful and worthy goal, to die a true Muslim.

Peace be with you

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

OK, was I the only one who read this in a Darth Vader voice?

"Impressive.. most impressive, young Skywalker."

You have foresaken the "Dark side" & come into the light of Islam.

 

[Riana17]

Salam Pastor GS,

I hope you can have time to see this video, you will understand why ISLAM makes sense from the beginning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4i-8XwCK_w&feature=fvwrel

 

[Riana17]

Salaam sister,

This made me so happy, masha Allah! You just summarized everything I have been trying to explain to my family (and myself) for the past week. What a wonderful and worthy goal, to die a true Muslim.

Peace be with you

Yes sister,,, I am not demanding and I always say its okay to live the life full of sorrow & pain (during non Muslim time) bcoz I am gonna die anyway, whats the use of me having a life full of fun , money , fame & everything when I will die in the end??? Nothing last forever this life offers

SUBHANALLAH i become demanding when I become Muslim, i DEMAND TO die Muslim inshallah and I pray and trying hard to live the simplest with the right purpose, alhamdollelah, everything makes sense since Allah guided me, may we All receive Guidance from ONE TRUE GOD = ALLAH

 

[Who Am I?]

You have foresaken the "Dark side" & come into the light of Islam.

I tell you what, giving up that Force Lightning was tougher that I thought it would be.
Force Lightning rules!

 

[Mister Agenda]

Coming in late, but here is why I left Christianity: I was raised Pentecostal, the variety of Christianity that has 'speaking in tongues'. My father is United Pentecostal, and my mother was Assembly of God (same as Billy Graham). They disagreed on some points about baptism and such, so I'm pretty sure they both thought the other was going to hell.

The funny thing is, that my mother was devout when I was younger, while my father didn't go to church. By the time I was 12 or 13 I had read the New Testament in KJV and Good News translations. About that time, my father got very religious. We were going to church three or four times a week. I had always been devout and resolved to read the Bible, cover-to-cover, around the age of 15, I think.

First I read the King James. I considered that maybe I just wasn't understanding it right because of the archaic English. So I read it again in a modern English translation, The Living Bible, which also had a lot of useful footnotes.

Then I went from being a Pentecostal Christian to being an agnostic theist (believed in a creator, but not in a particular religion). I noticed contradictions, and I had been told there were none. I saw the character and nature of Yahweh change over the course of the OT, and a radical personality change in the NT, in a way that is only apparent if you read the Bible front-to-back. I read of God commanding atrocities. At the end, I could not believe the Bible was a product of divine inspiration, it seemed very human-inspired to me.

It took about 20 more years before I started thinking of myself as an atheist.

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

I never really had wish list for myself, however since I become Muslim, I had one "to die Real Muslim Inshallah" Oh this makes me cry... what else we need??? really praying 5times/day, waking up 3am to pray, fasting, worshipping ONE TRUE GOD is more than worth it. Life becomes so easy so peaceful so beautiful because of Islam,,, alhamdollelah,

Masha Allah, I was so inspired by these words that I set them as my desktop background so that I may see them whenever I log onto my computer

 

[Amigo]

Coming in late, but here is why I left Christianity: I was raised Pentecostal, the variety of Christianity that has 'speaking in tongues'. My father is United Pentecostal, and my mother was Assembly of God (same as Billy Graham). They disagreed on some points about baptism and such, so I'm pretty sure they both thought the other was going to hell.

The funny thing is, that my mother was devout when I was younger, while my father didn't go to church. By the time I was 12 or 13 I had read the New Testament in KJV and Good News translations. About that time, my father got very religious. We were going to church three or four times a week. I had always been devout and resolved to read the Bible, cover-to-cover, around the age of 15, I think.

First I read the King James. I considered that maybe I just wasn't understanding it right because of the archaic English. So I read it again in a modern English translation, The Living Bible, which also had a lot of useful footnotes.

Then I went from being a Pentecostal Christian to being an agnostic theist (believed in a creator, but not in a particular religion). I noticed contradictions, and I had been told there were none. I saw the character and nature of Yahweh change over the course of the OT, and a radical personality change in the NT, in a way that is only apparent if you read the Bible front-to-back. I read of God commanding atrocities. At the end, I could not believe the Bible was a product of divine inspiration, it seemed very human-inspired to me.

It took about 20 more years before I started thinking of myself as an atheist.

You seem to suppose that Christianity is/was founded on the Bible and that Faith is founded on books. Ever considered that the first Christians did not even have the NT and that the Christian Faith existed even before any of those Gospels and Epistles were written? Also, Jesus and Christians were always at odd with Jews over their interpretation of the OT. The OT interpretation that conflict with the NT is not really a Christian interpretation but a common Jewish/human interpretation, that very one which Jesus and the first Christians opposed and which actually causes Christianity to evolve separately from Judaism.

An other fact is that the first gentiles Christians did not even have the OT (this was generally a jewish document even though it contains some stories which involves the whole world).

 

[Riana17]

Masha Allah, I was so inspired by these words that I set them as my desktop background so that I may see them whenever I log onto my computer

Oh sis, you made me cry
Im speechless,,,, I am glad to share my thoughts


May Allah love you and you family, may Allah love us all and have mercy on Us and inshallah we all die real Muslims inshallah

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

You seem to suppose that Christianity is/was founded on the Bible and that Faith is founded on books. Ever considered that the first Christians did not even have the NT and that the Christian Faith existed even before any of those Gospels and Epistles were written? Also, Jesus and Christians were always at odd with Jews over their interpretation of the OT. The OT interpretation that conflict with the NT is not really a Christian interpretation but a common Jewish/human interpretation, that very one which Jesus and the first Christians opposed and which actually causes Christianity to evolve separately from Judaism.

An other fact is that the first gentiles Christians did not even have the OT (this was generally a jewish document even though it contains some stories which involves the whole world).

So what was Christianity founded on? If it was not the OT which you claim to be only for the Jews then was it on the NT?

So you are actually saying that Christianity was built upon the NT which are random books written by random men who's origins and dates are not even known and they never even met Jesus nor did they have anything to do with him nor God.

No wonder you keep trying to move away from your scriptures.

Whether you like it or not a religion is based upon its scriptures and NOTHING from the teachings of ANY Prophet, God or Jesus confirms ANY of your fundamental beliefs regarding Christianity. That is why you keep moving away from your scriptures.

 

[Ramadhan]

You seem to suppose that Christianity is/was founded on the Bible and that Faith is founded on books.

OK. so christianity is not founded on bible?

Ever considered that the first Christians did not even have the NT and that the Christian Faith existed even before any of those Gospels and Epistles were written?

And christianity is not based on the NT?

Also, Jesus and Christians were always at odd with Jews over their interpretation of the OT. The OT interpretation that conflict with the NT is not really a Christian interpretation but a common Jewish/human interpretation, that very one which Jesus and the first Christians opposed and which actually causes Christianity to evolve separately from Judaism.

And Christianity is not based on the OT either?

I hope Pastor Grace Seeker read this for he has accused me in this thread of having falsely attributed Amigo with "scripture is not important for christians".

 

[Starrynight]

Well the reason I am concerned about dogs in particular is because I have two dogs that are my closest companions right now. I already feel alone enough as it is on this journey, and could not get rid of them if I wanted to right now. I know, this seems trivial and maybe it is. But that is my reality.

As for alcohol, well that is something I have struggled with for a long time. Life is hard enough without enjoying a few drinks on the weekends. I have tried to give this one up before but was never successful for a long time. I think I made it a little over a year once before something happened to make me start drinking again. I think my main problem with alcohol is boredom. I am so bored with my life right now and tired of being unhappy, and when I get bored and unhappy, I drink.

I was going to post in more detail later about all my issues with most religions when I get home and have more time.

Hey, I just wanted to add my thoughts on the dog issue. I think it would actually be bad in the eyes of God (whoever ones God is) to get ride of a pet. Because we should take care of all living things, ya know? The family I am closest with (aside from my own) is Muslim and they always take in stray dogs. So, I don't think you should worry about having dogs

 

[Ramadhan]

The OT interpretation that conflict with the NT is not really a Christian interpretation but a common Jewish/human interpretation,

You seem to have this idea that only The OT interpretation that conflict with the NT. Have you not read your bible? For if you have, you would have easily noticed that there are even numerous outright conflicts (and not just in terms of interpretations) between the canonical gospels, and even within a gospel!

 

[Who Am I?]

Hey, I just wanted to add my thoughts on the dog issue. I think it would actually be bad in the eyes of God (whoever ones God is) to get ride of a pet. Because we should take care of all living things, ya know? The family I am closest with (aside from my own) is Muslim and they always take in stray dogs. So, I don't think you should worry about having dogs

Thanks for the reply. Nope, I don't worry about that anymore. The most important thing to me right now is to become a better Muslim and a better person. That is my goal in life now. I want to be happy with who I am and find true inner peace before I die. I think I made the right decision in taking shahada, but now I want to move forward from that. Dogs are a trivial issue compared to that.

 

[Amigo]

I hope Pastor Grace Seeker read this for he has accused me in this thread of having falsely attributed Amigo with "scripture is not important for christians".

You are still falsely accusing me of this.

You seem to have this idea that only The OT interpretation that conflict with the NT. Have you not read your bible? For if you have, you would have easily noticed that there are even numerous outright conflicts (and not just in terms of interpretations) between the canonical gospels, and even within a gospel!

Please read carefully what I am writting. I said that it is the 'common' human/jewish interpretation of the OT which conflict with the NT. The inspired/true interpretation of the OT does not conflict with the NT. Also the gospels do not conflict with themselves. It is your interpretation of the gospels which sees them as conflicting.

No book of the Bible mentions the word Bible. No book says that it can interpret itself, or that it can interpret the Bible or that the Bible can interpret itself. So expecting any book to interpret itself is already crossing the line and confusing oneself.

The Bible is freely open to interpretations therefore it can face true and false interpretations. No book can interpret itself even if it mentions its own name in itself. Even a Constitution needs a court to interpret it, legal documents need lawyers to interpret them. No book can be put in a witness box and be asked questions with expections to answer as a person would.
A book does not speak, it is read.

Bible is more honest about this, although this honesty is indirect.

 

[Ramadhan]

You are still falsely accusing me of this.

What you wrote above speak for themselves. Here, let me help you remember what you wrote just a few posts above (and if it is not enough for you, I can also copy and paste here your past posts where you christianity does not need bible):

You seem to suppose that Christianity is/was founded on the Bible and that Faith is founded on books.

Ever considered that the first Christians did not even have the NT and that the Christian Faith existed even before any of those Gospels and Epistles were written?

Please read carefully what I am writting. I said that it is the 'common' human/jewish interpretation of the OT which conflict with the NT. The inspired/true interpretation of the OT does not conflict with the NT. Also the gospels do not conflict with themselves. It is your interpretation of the gospels which sees them as conflicting.

So prophet Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus (pbut) etc. all did not interpret the OT correctly when they clearly said and commanded "Worship the ONE God, our God"? And only saul of tarsus and his fans had the correct interpretation of the OT?

Also, Jesus and Christians were always at odd with Jews over their interpretation of the OT.

What's all these "jesus and christians" history revision? Were Jesus and his followers not jews?
Why do christians rewrote the history of their own God based on the koine greek bible, 3 centuries later?, a collection of books that were mostly written anonymously by random people, all of whom never even met Jesus (pbuh).
In fact, Jesus (pbuh) was VERY jewish he even stated "I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel", his followers were all also very jewish. They went to temples to pray, they were fasting a whole month, Jesus was circumcised, they never ate pork, etc etc. In fact, had Jesus (pbuh) lived today, americans and europeans non-muslims would have suspected he is a terrorist because of his look and dress.

 

[Amigo]

What you wrote above speak for themselves. Here, let me help you remember what you wrote just a few posts above (and if it is not enough for you, I can also copy and paste here your past posts where you christianity does not need bible): You seem to suppose that Christianity is/was founded on the Bible and that Faith is founded on books. Ever considered that the first Christians did not even have the NT and that the Christian Faith existed even before any of those Gospels and Epistles were written?

None of this means "scriptures is not important to Christians"

 

[Ramadhan]

Also the gospels do not conflict with themselves.

Have you actually read bible?

Here's a tiny sample of conflicts in the gospels:

1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?
3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.
4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.
5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.
7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.
11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there. (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21
13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter bull****, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.
15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.
21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.
22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen? Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew 23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works they do for to be seen of men."
23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.
24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.
25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.
27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 23:3-4 & 7
28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.
29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher. John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.
30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.
32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17
34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.
37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.
38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14
39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31
41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13
42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.

 

[Ramadhan]

None of this means "scriptures is not important to Christians"

Actually you are right. It is not just that scriptures is not important to christians, you actually took it even further:
christianity is not founded on bible
and
christianity does not need bible