Now France bans Muslims from praying outside mosques

[GuestFellow]

This is a great opportunity for Muslims to influence the French government. Muslims should get together and try to put pressure on the government to stop these kinds of ban.

 

[Crystal]

I don't agree with the ban but I don't think French people know enough about Islam or perhaps they read newspapers too much and also they are very nationalistic.

However I do wonder if a Christian/Jew was praying in the street in Saudi Arabia would you all still have the same views?

 

[GuestFellow]

^ It depends on how you see it. The EU countries boast about the freedom to practice your religion. The French government has banned Muslims praying in the streets. The question that needs to be raised is whether France is following the European Convention of Human Rights.

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

However I do wonder if a Christian/Jew was praying in the street in Saudi Arabia would you all still have the same views?

Comparing Paris to Saudi Arabia, is like comparing Cairo to the Vatican.

 

[Crystal]

Like I said I don't agree with France I find their policies in general very racist and I am glad I don't live there.

And my point isn't really the government of Saudi its more would you as a Muslim allow a Christian/Jew to pray in your street where ever you come from?

 

[جوري]

And my point isn't really the government of Saudi its more would you as a Muslim allow a Christian/Jew to pray in your street where ever you come from?

How do Christians pray?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I don't agree with the ban but I don't think French people know enough about Islam or perhaps they read newspapers too much and also they are very nationalistic.

However I do wonder if a Christian/Jew was praying in the street in Saudi Arabia would you all still have the same views?

What kind of a comparison is that and what are you implying? Saudi Arabia is a country based on religion, France is a secular country. You can't compare the two. Secular countries don't put religion at the top of the list but claim religious freedom, so what is France doing?

 

[جوري]

What kind of a comparison is that and what are you implying? Saudi Arabia is a country based on religion, France is a secular country. You can't compare the two. Secular countries don't put religion at the top of the list but claim religious freedom, so what is France doing?

I disagree that Saudi is a country based on religion. KSA is a monarchy which isn't Islamic.. be that as it may I am still curious as to how Christians pray.. I hardly see them go to houses of worship let alone offer prayers to want to offer it in the streets of Saudi Arabia..

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I disagree that Saudi is a country based on religion. KSA is a monarchy which isn't Islamic.. be that as it may I am still curious as to how Christians pray.. I hardly see them go to houses of worship let alone offer prayers to want to offer it in the streets of Saudi Arabia..

sis

I never said Saudi Arabia is Islamic. No Muslim country is, quite frankly. Saudi Arabia still has religion playing some role, France doesn't have any. This is the comparison I was making, I guess it's not noticeable. Whether Saudi Arabia is a monarch or not had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make

 

[جوري]

sis

I never said Saudi Arabia is Islamic. No Muslim country is, quite frankly. Saudi Arabia still has religion playing some role, France doesn't have any. This is the comparison I was making, I guess it's not noticeable. Whether Saudi Arabia is a monarch or not had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make

got you.. but secularism is an ideology and a belief system all its own and has quite the rabid zealots.. I don't know of any country in the world that restricts prayers.. Our next door neighbors in Riyadh Saudi Arabia were Lebanese Christians .. I have never seen them pray inside their home let alone outside of it.. I did see them celebrate Christmas though and that's is why I asked how Christians would pray in Public?
It is clear to me that the law is only aimed at Muslims in a country that alleges 'freedom' 'democracy' and all other such pretty nonsense ..
freedom to express their views and support their parties does seem to poke fun at the very definitions of the terms. I do agree with you in said regards..

 

[GuestFellow]

How do Christians pray?

I think they read the Bible...though good question.

Like I said I don't agree with France I find their policies in general very racist and I am glad I don't live there.

And my point isn't really the government of Saudi its more would you as a Muslim allow a Christian/Jew to pray in your street where ever you come from?

In an Islamic country, Christian and Jews would not be allowed to pray in the streets. I suppose it could be seen as promoting your religion. However, Christian and Jews are allowed to build their own religious buildings.

What kind of a comparison is that and what are you implying? Saudi Arabia is a country based on religion, France is a secular country. You can't compare the two. Secular countries don't put religion at the top of the list but claim religious freedom, so what is France doing?

Some people have argued that Muslims can't complain that they are not allowed to pray in the streets. This is because Muslims don't allow Jews and Christians to pray in the streets. It would be seen as hypocrisy. I think that is what she meant.

 

[جوري]

I think they read the Bible...though good question.

They could read the bible on the streets if they can walk and read at the same time..
I haven't seen any restrictions on getting people to pray.. most people including many Muslims don't like to pray, they see it as a chore..
I felt the comparison failed even if it were to make an analogy on how intolerant we're otherwise for the simple reason that there's nothing comparable to Islamic prayers.. and the one video I have linked to a Jew praying, was identical to Muslims that I don't think (regular secular folks) would notice the difference..

 

[MSalman]

How do Christians pray?

BarakAllahu feekee - masha'Allah, a very good question; reminds me of other question, directed to a deviant Muslim group, "who said Alif Lam Meem?". We have seen the objections "why are you Muslims complaining about your rights in the west, an Islamic state doesn't allow other religions to pray in public, for example" way too many times. So how exactly do Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists pray?

 

[GuestFellow]

^ There is a video of a Jewish man praying.

 

[Futuwwa]

I randomly encountered the following picture of congregants spilling out into the streets for salah. Definitely looks like something that clogs up traffic. It's from an anti-Islamic website though so take it for what it's worth.

 

[Crystal]

I don't consider myself a Catholic but I know how they pray as a Catholic because I was raised as one and it is just by saying prayers and blessing yourself like in the name of the father, son and holy spirit and you can pray anywhere. And I also am against the fact that France says they are based on freedom but don't seem to show this in their policies.

In an Islamic country, Christian and Jews would not be allowed to pray in the streets.

Thanks Tragic Typos for the straight forward answer.

 

[Abz2000]

let's be courteous with novice because he's asking valid questions and is willing to see both sides of an argument.

let's get this clear, i mentioned how secularism was sold to the people in a post above:
A secular state is a concept of secularism, whereby a state or country purports to be
officially neutral in matters of religion,
supporting neither religion nor irreligion.
A secular state also claims to treat all its citizens equally regardless of religion, and claims to avoid preferential treatment for a citizen from a particular religion/nonreligion over other religions/nonreligion.

a real Islamic country is very different, it says it is Islamic and thereby holds to those ideals - it does not pretend to be balanced in terms of faith while pushing a different agenda.

what we see with these so called "secular democratic" countries is that they base their claims on total falsehood and hypocrisy.
they don't claim to be anti-God due to the backlash they'll receive while they prove themselves to be such by their actions.

one of my nephews told me that my website is not neutral and shows itself to have an agenda - i said it isn't neutral and does have an agenda,
even that war criminal bush said "and we know that God is not neutral between good and evil".

yet you have sites like bbc, fox news, cnn claiming to be "fair and balanced" while everybody on the planet knows they are not.

And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them without purpose! That is the consideration of those who disbelieve! Then woe to those who disbelieve (in Islamic Monotheism) from the Fire!
28. Shall We treat those who believe and do righteous good deeds, as those who wreak corruption on earth? Or shall We treat the righteous, as the criminals?
29. (This is) a Book (the Qur'an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember.
Quran 38:27-29

look at both hands

scroll to 33 seconds - watch carefully the hand signs:

we can see there seems to be a lot more to it than freedom and neutrality.

this subject is extensive - you can visit my nwo page for more details:

http://abz2000.com/newworldorder.aspx

 

[جوري]

blessing yourself like in the name of the father, son and holy spirit and you can pray anywhere.

& thank you for your honest answer!

best,

 

[Aprender]

let's be courteous with novice because he's asking valid questions and is willing to see both sides of an argument.

let's get this clear, i mentioned how secularism was sold to the people in a post above:
A secular state is a concept of secularism, whereby a state or country purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion. A secular state also claims to treat all its citizens equally regardless of religion, and claims to avoid preferential treatment for a citizen from a particular religion/nonreligion over other religions/nonreligion.

a real Islamic country is very different, it says it is Islamic and thereby holds to those ideals - it does not pretend to be balanced in terms of faith while pushing a different agenda.

what we see with these so called "secular democratic" countries is that they base their claims on total falsehood and hypocrisy.
they don't claim to be anti-God due to the backlash they'll receive while they prove themselves to be such by their actions.

one of my nephews told me that my website is not neutral and shows itself to have an agenda - i said it isn't neutral and does have an agenda,
even that war criminal bush said "and we know that God is not neutral between good and evil".

yet you have sites like bbc, fox news, cnn claiming to be "fair and balanced" while everybody on the planet knows they are not.

And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them without purpose! That is the consideration of those who disbelieve! Then woe to those who disbelieve (in Islamic Monotheism) from the Fire!
28. Shall We treat those who believe and do righteous good deeds, as those who wreak corruption on earth? Or shall We treat the righteous, as the criminals?
29. (This is) a Book (the Qur'an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember.
Quran 38:27-29

watch carefully the hand signs:

this subject is extensive - you can visit my nwo page for more details:

http://abz2000.com/newworldorder.aspx

It's the same sign non-Muslims around here hold up at me now that I wear hijab.

 

[Abz2000]

and yes - the prophets did pray outside in public places and did prostrate:

Matthew 26:36-46 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”
37 He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”