What is Islam? Who is Muhammad (SAW)?

[Aprender]

Note, I’ve not said that we are guilty for what Adam and Eve had done. The two concepts of guilt / responsibility and of consequence / result are not the same and have a different meaning. So, we suffer the consequences of Adam and Eve’s sin, but we are responsible for our own sins.

The Christian Faith never appeal to common sense and logic, but to good sense and logic.

If man would act well, he would have good sense and logic. But in his arrogance, he chooses to do that which is evil in his heart, damage his good sense, and wants everything to make sense with his damaged sense of logic. This become tragic when man starts attributing evils to God.
God is perfect, all light, all goodness, all innocent, and absolutely non-violent. If it does not make sense to us, we should pray for healing and enlightment.

Yes, God loves everyone. This love is hell for those who are allergic to love: God. It is not God's fault, it is their evil nature they have chosen which is incompatible with love, and therefore suffer at its presence and unavoidable omnipotence. However, this love is heaven for the good for they are good and delight in love.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5)

 

[Amigo]

you ought to acquaint yourself with the bible

you ought to learn how to read Sacred Scipture!

The holy Law of the Perfect One says "you shall not kill", there are no 'but's attached

The Bible is sacred; when you look straight into the sun, you don't see clearer, you get blind.

 

[جوري]

hehe, you ought to learn how to read Sacred Scipture!

The operative word here is 'sacred' hehe.. & yours are as sacred as a holy cow!

best,

 

[Ramadhan]

The holy Law of the Perfect One says "you shall not kill", there are no 'but's attached

your sacred scripture also says this:
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
and this
The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”

and yet christians also worship jesus (as) and holy spirit and say "The Lord is three in one"

Your sacred scripture also says:
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

and yet this is what christians do:

 

[Amigo]

We don't do that out of hate of God, but out of love. It looks like you didn't even read the quote yourself!
As I keep saying, learn how to read the Bible, otherwise, you will be left to lean to your own understanding and it will all be as you will, but not necessary as God wills.

 

[Ramadhan]

We don't do that out of hate of God, but out of love. It looks like you didn't even read the quote yourself!

Talk is very cheap. Actions show.

When someone does something out of love for someone, they would try to always obey and fulfill what that someone ask them to do.

Now, when someone love God, they would always try to fulfill God's commands.

And God's greatest and most important commandments are these:
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

And yet christians break every single one of them, and claim they love God?

As I keep saying, learn how to read the Bible,

And I keep saying, start reading your own bible.

 

[Amigo]

Love is one of those things which can only be best evaluated by the one it is directed to or it is supposed to be directed to. It is useless for you to try to evaluate my love for God unless you are God
If it comes to evaluate my love for you, go for it Otherwise, don't be so aggressive and try to usurp the place of God, it is not wise.

 

[Ramadhan]

Love is one of those things which can only be best evaluated by the one it is directed to or it is supposed to be directed to. It is useless for you to try to evaluate my love for God unless you are God

I don't doubt you have good intention in worshiping God. Unfortunately your worship is not based on the Word of God (as you said yourself, bible is not Word of God), and hence you went astray.

Even your scripture says this:
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Surely anyone who profess to love God would try their best to obey His commands?
But as I have produced the evidence, christians break the most fundamental, most important of God's commands.

If it comes to evaluate my love for you, go for it Otherwise, don't be so aggressive and try to usurp the place of God, it is not wise.

You might want to think again and look at the evidence who actually have usurped the place of God.

Yes, it's christians.

Here's my proof how christians usurped the place of God and replaced Him with mere men (alive and dead), statues, images, etc:

Christians even worship ancient torture equipment:

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

Ramadan,

In the tradition of my Church we use the two-dimensional images (icons) of Christ and His Saints to venerate them. The object of worship is not the image itself, but That One whom a particular image represents. Icons are just a helping tool for me to get closer to Christ and His Saints during the prayer. They help me to ascend sensibly to the Object of worship. Since God took on human nature in His holy Incarnation it is not more prohibited to make icons, because Christ has the real human face which can be depicted. This makes it possible to make images and crosses and worship God using them. The origin of this tradition is to be found in the Bible itself. The same God, who gave the ten commandments, gave also this commandment:

‘and thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.’ (Exodus 25)

Indeed It would be an idolatry and sin to worship the image itself, instead of Him who is depicted on it, in this case you would be right; but because we worship God of Heaven and earth (who dwells nor in temples, nor inside the works made with man’s hands) using the images like some kind of helping tool, your claim is completely wrong.
The same applies to the Holy Trinity. I agree with Muslims that there are no three gods, that it would be an idolatry to worship ‘three gods’. Your accusations would be right if we worshipped ‘three gods’, instead of the One. But because (theoretically as well as practically) it is simply not so, your blames are absolutely wrong.

By the way, why do Muslims worship Black Stone. Is it not idolatry? Can you explain this?

Peace,

 

[Tyrion]

By the way, why do Muslims worship Black Stone. Is it not idolatry? Can you explain this?

We don't worship the black stone. Nice try.

 

[Abz2000]

By the way, why do Muslims worship Black Stone. Is it not idolatry? Can you explain this?

people seem to confuse the black stone with the Ka'bah, the black stone is a unique corner stone of the ka'bah - it is not to be prayed to.
the Ka'bah is a prayer direction, just like Jerusalem was.

The object of worship is not the image itself, but That One whom a particular image represents.
Icons are just a helping tool for me to get closer to Christ and His Saints during the prayer.

that's exactly what the Hindus say, and what the pagan Arabs used to say

3. Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due?
But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say):
"We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah."
Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ.
But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.
(Quran 39:3)

 

[Ramadhan]

In the tradition of my Church we use the two-dimensional images (icons) of Christ and His Saints to venerate them.

That's the operative word: "tradition of the church"

It was never tradition of Jesus (pbuh) himself, or his disciples, or any other prophets and messengers of God. using images/statues/likeness etc for worship is not only NOT a tradition of Jesus (pbuh) and ANY other prophets, but it is actually something that they WARNED AGAINST and to STAY AWAY FROM.

And by the way, the objects of worship by christians are mostly in THREE dimensions, not two dimensions.

By the way, why do Muslims worship Black Stone. Is it not idolatry? Can you explain this?

If only you stop parroting your priests and start learning by yourself, you would be able to differentiate between makkah, ka'bah, and hajar aswad and what they are. This is embarrassing to accuse of something and yet so far off the mark and do not even understand in the slightest bit the words you utter.

I understand that christians are mostly following and parroting what their church leaders say, for if they use their brains and start reading bible with clarity, and qur'an with clarity, and use their God-given capacity to reason, they'll know that God cannot be a creature.

By the way, please show me how muslims worship "black stone" before I answer your question.

 

[Aprender]

As I said earlier in this thread. They have no proof as to why they believe what they believe about Islam and Muhammad (pbuh). It's just regurgitated filth that they've been fed in churches and in the surrounding community (i.e the "worship" of the black stone). This is all information that was stuffed into my brain about Islam when I went to church starting at a very young age with nothing to back it up but pure conjecture and disrespect.

Psalms 31:18
Let their lying lips be silenced, for with pride and contempt they speak arrogantly against the righteous.

Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Some just will not understand.

Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
(Al Kafiroun)

I hope that someone will help elaborate on the answers that you were looking for in this thread my respected brother instead of coming in here and spreading lies without giving insight. I hope that legal_alien and Amigo at least clear some of the misconceptions about Islam that they have during their time here at the forum. May Allah have mercy on us all and keep us on the right path. Ameeeeeeeen.

 

[Ramadhan]

In the tradition of my Church we use the two-dimensional images (icons) of Christ and His Saints to venerate them. The object of worship is not the image itself, but That One whom a particular image represents. Icons are just a helping tool for me to get closer to Christ and His Saints during the prayer.

Worshiping icons and following what your church/predecessors/forefathers do/worship are nothing new, the people of Abraham (pbuh) already did it thousands of years ago, and here's God (swt) narrate the story of Abraham (pbuh):

And recite to them the news of Abraham,
When he said to his father and his people, "What do you worship?"
They said, "We worship idols and remain to them devoted."
He said, "Do they hear you when you supplicate?
Or do they benefit you, or do they harm?"
They said, "But we found our fathers doing thus."
He said, "Then do you see what you have been worshipping,
You and your ancient forefathers?
Indeed, they are enemies to me, except the Lord of the worlds,
Who created me, and He [it is who] guides me.
And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
And when I am ill, it is He who cures me
And who will cause me to die and then bring me to life
And who I aspire that He will forgive me my sin on the Day of Recompense."
[And he said], "My Lord, grant me authority and join me with the righteous.
And grant me a reputation of honor among later generations.
And place me among the inheritors of the Garden of Pleasure.
And forgive my father. Indeed, he has been of those astray.
(QS. 26:69-86)

And just like the father of Abraham (pbuh), christians are among those who are astray.

 

[Amigo]

So you guys are capable of understanding that you don't worship the 'things' in Mecca, but you are unable to even suspect that Catholics may not be worshipping statues and icons? What should be done with you? you should be left alone

Concerning those catholics images, beautiful images by the way. Don't worry, you are not expected to understand what is going on with that attitude. Love belong to the lovers and to whom they decide to share it with. Love and Truth are those things you can't HAVE. You can only RECEIVE them. Otherwise, it wouldn't be love, and it wouldn't be truth.

By the way, Worship is a matter of love, it only goes to person through person.

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

By the way, please show me how muslims worship "black stone" before I answer your question.

Unfortunately I am not able to paste any images or links here, because I’m limited member here. But take a look on these photos in this website below (paste the URL on your browser). May be some of the full members can paste them here. Let’s pay attention only at the photo’s there.

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As I said earlier in this thread. They have no proof as to why they believe what they believe about Islam and Muhammad (pbuh). It's just regurgitated filth that they've been fed in churches and in the surrounding community (i.e the "worship" of the black stone). This is all information that was stuffed into my brain about Islam when I went to church starting at a very young age with nothing to back it up but pure conjecture and disrespect.
I hope that someone will help elaborate on the answers that you were looking for in this thread my respected brother instead of coming in here and spreading lies without giving insight. I hope that legal_alien and Amigo at least clear some of the misconceptions about Islam that they have during their time here at the forum. May Allah have mercy on us all and keep us on the right path. Ameeeeeeeen.

The honour, almost amounting to worship, still paid by Muslim pilgrims to the famous meteoric Hajaru'l Aswad or Black Stone, which is built into the wall of the Ka'bah, is one of the many islamic customs which have been derived from those of the Arabs who lived long before Muhammad's time - The kiss which the pious Muhammadan pilgrim bestows on it is a survival of the old practice, which was a form of worship in Arabia as in many other lands. Many tales were told regarding this stone in pre- Muhammadan times, and these are still firmly believed. A Tradition relates that it descended from Paradise, and was originaly of a pure white colour, but has become black through the sins of mankind, or, according to another account, through contact with the lips of One ceremonially impure. As it is now known to be of meteoric origin, part of the story is readily accounted for.

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Yes, I agree; may Allah (Allah of Mohammed) have mercy on you all and keep you on the right path if he really exists.
You know, I see all the people as my dear brothers and sisters by Adam and Eve, and it’s painful for me to know that there are people who will perish forever because of the wrong beliefs they are committed to. This is not said to insult you, but I would like to express it honestly.

that's exactly what the Hindus say, and what the pagan Arabs used to say

I don’t know about it; but I worship the true God, and they worship idols. That’s the difference.

it is christians who allege that God was not powerful enough to strengthen Jacob (pbuh) without having to humiliate Himself and come down to earth to in a mud wrestling match with Jacob, only to lose.

No, I haven’t said that God was not powerful enough. It would be a blasphemy to say so, because God is Almighty. God was willing to act in that way. Why? It’s a mystery, no one can comprehend fully the reasons of why God acts in this or that way.

In peace,

 

[Abz2000]

here's your list in your link - i will go through the points God Willing

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[TR]
[TD]Ritual retained, meaning redefined. Paganism spiritualized into monotheism:[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 24%"]Christmas[/TD]
[TD="width: 34%"]December 25 was the birthday of the Pagan Mythra, the god of light.[/TD]
[TD="width: 42%"]Christians practice the pagan festival but redefined Dec 25 as the birthday of Christ.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 24%"]Pilgrimage and Circling Kaba 7x[/TD]
[TD="width: 34%"]Each local tribe of Arab pagans walked 7 times around their own kaba that housed their own black stone.[/TD]
[TD="width: 42%"]Muslims circle the Kaba, claiming Abraham did such.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 24%"]Kissing black stone[/TD]
[TD="width: 34%"]Each local tribe of Arab Pagans kissed their own tribal black stones.[/TD]
[TD="width: 42%"]Muslims kiss black stone but say it was a divine meteorite that fell at Adam’s feet and was rediscovered by Abraham.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 24%"]"The stone throw" at Mina[/TD]
[TD="width: 34%"]Wide spread custom among Pagan Arabs.[/TD]
[TD="width: 42%"]Muslims claim the custom was started by Abraham when he threw stones at the devil.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 24%"]"The Run": Safa and Marwa[/TD]
[TD="width: 34%"]Pagans ran between two idols, Isaf and Na’ila:[/TD]
[TD="width: 42%"]Muslims perform the same running but redefine the meaning to be Hagar running between hills, looking for water for Ishmael.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 24%"]"The Praise" after Pilgrimage[/TD]
[TD="width: 34%"]Pagans praised dead ancestors[/TD]
[TD="width: 42%"]Muslims perform the same praising but redirect the praise to Allah, and with more zeal![/TD]
[/TR]
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Muslims kiss black stone but say it was a divine meteorite that fell at Adam’s feet and was rediscovered by Abraham.

since the link you used quoted acts to mention that it is an image which fell down from heaven - i'll give you a possible alternative:

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected,
the same is become the head of the corner:
this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken:
but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Matthew 21:42-44

1. the verses before mention the persecution of messengers by the Isrealites, and then goes on to inform them that a new nation will be granted the vicegerency of the Kingdom of God.

2. it mentions a unique cornerstone - and from it's falling and grinding to powder attribute - yes - that's what a meteorite does.

And I will sow her unto me in the earth;
and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy;
and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.
Hosea 2:23

this seems to mention Hajar - read below and Isaiah 54

Muslims perform the same running but redefine the meaning to be Hagar running between hills, looking for water for Ishmael.

this is in the bible:
And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
16And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot:
for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
17And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar?
fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.
18Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
19And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
21And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.
Genesis 21

the hills of safa and marwah are a bow shot's distance away from the well.

The Well of Zamzam (or the Zamzam Well, or just Zamzam; Arabic: زمزم‎)
is a well located within the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, 20 m (66 ft) east of the Kaaba,the holiest place in Islam.
According to Islamic belief, it was a miraculously-generated source of water from God,
which began thousands of years ago when Abraham's (Ibrāhīm) infant sonIshmael (ʼIsmāʻīl) was thirsty and kept crying for water
and was kicking at the ground when water gushed out.
Millions of pilgrims visit the well each year while performing the Hajj or Umrahpilgrimages, in order to drink its water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzam_Well

Muslims claim the custom (of throwing stones at the pillars) was started by Abraham when he threw stones at the devil.

i'm sure you are aware that certain representations of the prophet's (pbut) are followed, but to an extent which does not venture into blasphemy.
do you not pretend to eat the flesh and blood of "god"?

Muslims circle the Kaba, claiming Abraham did such.

yes - the fact that Abraham was guided to a place which was already designated is also mentioned in the bible:

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out,
not knowing whither he went.
9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Hebrews 11

now we know that names have been misplaced in the bible in order to misappropriate the attributes of people - but the content here is of importance, it clearly shows that Abraham was searching for a place and the Quran tells us that he prayed to God Almighty and mentioned the house as he left Hajar and Ishmael,

Remember Abraham said: "O my Lord! make this city one of peace and security: and preserve me and my sons from worshipping idols.
36. "O my Lord! they have indeed led astray many among mankind; He then who follows my (ways) is of me, and he that disobeys me,- but Thou art indeed Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
37. "O our Lord! I have made of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred House;
in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks.
38. "O our Lord! truly Thou dost know what we conceal and what we reveal: for nothing whatever is hidden from Allah, whether on earth or in heaven.
39. "Praise be to Allah, Who hath granted unto me in old age Isma'il and Isaac: for truly my Lord is He, the Hearer of Prayer!
40. O my Lord! make me one who establishes regular Prayer, and also (raise such) among my offspring O our Lord! and accept Thou my Prayer.
41. "O our Lord! cover (us) with Thy Forgiveness - me, my parents, and (all) Believers, on the Day that the Reckoning will be established!

the house is mentioned - despite him leaving them "in a valley without cultivation" (A DESOLATE VALLEY), WITH NO-ONE THERE.

now you may say the city with foundations is in Quds, but we know from the above verses in Hebrews that the foundations of Abraham's sought for city were already there.
and the Prophecy of the foundations appears in future tense in the book of revelation - after Abraham.
and so is it here:
but here it speaks of a different location:

Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.2Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
4Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
9For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.
11O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
12And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
13And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
14In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
15Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
16Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

This is talking about Hajar - and if you check the demographics - you will see that:

more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
and the fastest growing globally

Muslims perform the same praising but redirect the praise to Allah, and with more zeal!

we are instructed to do so in the Quran:

So when ye have accomplished your holy rites,
remember Allah, as ye used to remember your forefathers,- rather with far more remembrance.
There are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us (Thy bounties) in this world!" but they will have no portion in the Hereafter.
And there are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the Fire!"
To these will be allotted what they have earned; and Allah is quick in account.
Quran 2:200-202

Those to whom We have sent the Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein:
Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own.
Quran 2:121

and regarding the smith and the destroyer - read Quran chapter 18 - Dhul Qarnain vs Gog and Magog.
http://www.harunyahya.com/Quran_translation/Quran_translation18.php

i didn't bother with the first point - as it is irrelevant to the topic, i did mention the five points on Islam - hope you'll find it useful.
peace

 

[Ramadhan]

So you guys are capable of understanding that you don't worship the 'things' in Mecca, but you are unable to even suspect that Catholics may not be worshipping statues and icons? What should be done with you? you should be left alone

First of all, what "things"?
Please be clearer.

I understand that it is not in the tradition of christiniaty to make things clear and to separate truth from falsehoods, but for us muslims, truth is clear from any falsehood and hence it is of utmost important to guard truth from getting mixed with falsehoods, just like the jews and pagan romans did with the teachings of Jesus (pbuh).

But since all you can say is parroting your priests without actually learning what you accuse of, I'll give short version. Although you may not even read what I write, as evidenced by your inability to understand clear explanations given on the subjects, but here it is:

Muslims pray shalah (act of worship) 5 times a day towards the direction of Ka'bah (NOT the black stone, I hope by now you know the difference of ka'bah and the black stone), just like solomon and jesus (pbut) who offered their worships towards the direction of the temple in Jerusalem. facing towards the direction of ka'bah is called qiblah, the same as jewish' mizrah who faces towards the temple in Jerusalem.
Read your bible:
When your people go to war against their enemies, wherever you send them, and when they pray to the LORD toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name, (1 Kings:48) and there are also others biblical verses that command to pray towards the temple in jerusalem.

Muslims used to offer shalah towards masjidil aqsa (the temple in jerisalem), until Allah revealed that qiblah was changed towards ka'bah.
So Ka'bah is just a marker, a direction in the centre of a holy masjid (or holy temple for jews), and similar to the masjid/temple in Jerusalem.
Even if ka'bah is destroyed, muslims would still perform shalah towards it.

Maybe you actually have no idea that early christians all prayed towards the direction of jerusalem?
That is, until the pagan romans abandoned the practice of the prophets (pbut) and started their own pagan traditions labeled as christianity such as easter, christmas, etc.
Didn't your priests tell you anything about the ACTUAL teachings and tradition of Jesus (pbuh) or are they busy peddling the tradition of their own?

To summarize the point (in case you didn't understand any of the above):

For muslims, ka'bah does not represent our object of worship in any way, while for christians, they venerate the images/statues/likeness of jesus/mary/saints because they represent their objects of worships.

So that is the difference.

By the way, Worship is a matter of love, it only goes to person through person.

This is your opinion, certainly not an opinion of your god at all, for God in the bible has laid down limitations in worship:

Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Interestingly, no christian here has explained why these greatest and most important commandments from God do not mean anything anymore for christians.

 

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and did the roman emperor change the sabbath out of love also?
because in Jesus' (pbuh) time - it was saturday.
the seventh day.

 

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i also found something else:
something similar the word Jerusalem is first found in the ancient egyptian texts at around 2000bc to refer to a city,
and then later the word Jerusalem is used after Moses and during Joshua's time to refer to Al-Quds.
so when the book of revelation speaks of a new Jerusalem - we do not know if it is referring to the meaning of the word - or the name later given to the land called Quds (Sacred) in Islam.

what we do know from the Bible (Isaiah 53) AND the Quran is that there is a covenant of peace made at the place where Hajar migrated to.

and here's what i found:

A city called Rušalimum or Urušalimum (Foundation of Shalem)
appears in ancient Egyptianrecords as the first two references to Jerusalem, in c. 2000 BCE and c. 1330 BCE respectively.
The form Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) first appears in the Bible, in the book of Joshua.
This form has the appearance of a portmanteau (blend) of Yireh (an abiding place of the fear and the service of God)
and the original root S-L-M and is not a simple phonetic evolution of the form in the Amarna letters.
The meaning of the common root S-L-M is unknown but is thought to refer to either "peace" (Salam or Shalom in modern Arabic and Hebrew)
or Shalim, the god of dusk in the Canaanite religion.
Typically the ending -im indicates the plural in Hebrew grammar and -ayim the dual,
thus leading to the suggestion that the name refers to the fact that the city sits on two hills.
However the pronunciation of the last syllable as -ayim appears to be a late development, which had not yet appeared at the time of the Septuagint.

Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root S-L-M which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, peace, continence, completion and bonding/joining. In a religious context it means "to be at peace through voluntary submission to God".
Muslim, the word for an adherent of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb of which Islām is the infinitive.
Believers demonstrate submission to God by serving God and following His commands, and rejecting polytheism.
The word sometimes has distinct connotations in its various occurrences in the Qur'an. In some verses (ayat), there is stress on the quality of Islam as an internal conviction: "Whomsoever God desires to guide, He expands his breast to Islam." Other verses connect islām and dīn (usually translated as "religion"):
"Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion."


And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:
but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelation 21


Today, more than 13 million Muslims visit Mecca annually, including several million during the few days of the Hajj.
As a result, Mecca has become one of the most cosmopolitan and diverse cities in the Muslim world,
although non-Muslims remain formally prohibited from entering the city.
quite a coincidence isn't it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_of_Paran

Another name for Mecca, or the wilderness and mountains surrounding it, according to Arab and Islamic tradition, is Faran or Pharan.

(the arabic alphabet has no "p").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca

you know from Genesis that Ishmael dwelt in Paran don't you?


and you know there was a covenant at Sinai?

and you also know that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the only Messenger to bring a complete law after Prophet Moses (pbuh) - and that they were awaiting this?

and do you also know that when he embarked on the conquest of Mecca - he happened to muster together 10,000 believers?

Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, the leader of the Quraysh in Mecca, sensing that the balance was now tilted in Muhammad's favour and that the Quraish were not strong enough to stop the Muslims from conquering the city, travelled to Medina, trying to restore the treaty. During his stay, he was repulsed by Ali and by his own daughter Ramlah, who now was one of Muhammad's wives. Though Muhammad refused to reach an agreement and Abu Sufyan returned to Mecca empty handed, these efforts ultimately ensured that the conquest occurred without battle.
Muhammad assembled an army of approximately 10,000 men and marched towards Mecca.
Again Abu Sufyan travelled back and forth between Mecca and Muhammad, still trying to reach a settlement. According to the sources, he found assistance in Muhammad's uncle Al-Abbas, though some scholars consider that historians writing under the rule of Abbas' descendants, the Abbasid Dynasty, had exaggerated Abbas' role and downplayed the role of Abu Sufyan, who was the ancestor of the Abbaside's enemies.
[edit]Aftermath

On the eve of the conquest, Abu Sufyan adopted Islam. When asked by Muhammad, he conceded that the Meccan gods had proved powerless and that there was indeed "no god but Allah", the first part of the Islamic confession of faith. In turn, Muhammad declared Abu Sufyan's house a sanctuary:
"He Who enters the house of Abu Sufyan will be safe, He who lays down arms will be safe, He who locks his door will be safe".[SUP][5][/SUP]He also declared:
Allah has made Mecca a sanctuary since the day He created the Heavens and the Earth, and it will remain a sanctuary by virtue of the sanctity Allah has bestowed on it until the Day of Resurrection. It (fighting in it) was not made lawful to anyone before me. Nor will it be made lawful to anyone after me, and it was not made lawful for me except for a short period of time. Its animals (that can be hunted) should not be chased, nor should its trees be cut, nor its vegetation or grass uprooted, nor its Luqata (most things) picked up except by one who makes a public announcement about it.


And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.:
And he said, The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
3Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
Deuteronomy 33

.................Must've been an important blessing as it was at the time of death.

Just google 10,000 makkah

And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.
"What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?"
And for this their prayer hath Allah rewarded them with gardens, with rivers flowing underneath,- their eternal home. Such is the recompense of those who do good.
Quran 5:83-85