What is Islam? Who is Muhammad (SAW)?

[Daniel Hoseiny]

and did the roman emperor change the sabbath out of love also?
because in Jesus' (pbuh) time - it was saturday.
the seventh day.

It’s probably the same as asking you why do Muslims have worship day on Friday and not on Saturday. You would explain it form the prospective of your religion, so would I.

and you also know that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the only Messenger to bring a complete law after Prophet Moses (pbuh) - and that they were awaiting this?

How can you believe someone who even doesn’t know what’s going on with himself and who needs the assistance of others in order to believe that everything is probably okay? It was Mohammed himself who first said that he was possessed.

Muhammad woke up and began to wonder if he was demon possessed. Afraid that the local Quraysh tribes would think he was indeed demon possessed he considered throwing himself down a mountain to kill himself but on the way up the mountain he heard a voice saying he was the apostle of God. Instead of committing suicide, Muhammad decided to tell his wife, Khadija, of his dream and of his fear of demon possession. Khadija sought advice from her cousin who was a Christian. When he heard the story he assured her that Muhammad must be a prophet.

Links that you may find interesting:

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In peace,

 

[Ramadhan]

Yes, I agree; may Allah (Allah of Mohammed) have mercy on you all and keep you on the right path if he really exists.

So you don't believe in God?

Or Do christians only believe in God if they can see Him and if He goes to the toilet doing #1 and #2 and suckled from the breasts of a virgin and dies?

Also I find it curious about christians as what christians believe in is very little taken from what Jesus (pbuh) believed in. It seems centuries of latin paganisms have more influence in christianity than the actual teachings of Jesus (pbuh).
You may not believe that God exists, but Jesus (pbuh) certainly did.
Here's what he (pbuh) called God in his own aramaic language:

From http://www.pes*hitta.org/
(remove the star and go to "lexicon", it is an english-aramaic dictionary based on your own bible)


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so we see not only did Jesus (pbuh) believed in Allah swt, but He (pbuh) also called Allah whenever he (pbuh) was in distress, whenever he (pbuh) commanded the jews who to worship, whenever he (pbuh) ever need of anything.

 

[M.I.A.]

thats harsh,
you cant post how we should say saw on all the prophets and then post that.
thats the world for you.

everybodies the same, say one thing..do another.
or is it justified to stoop to someone elses level?

do not feed the trolls.
its like isreal and palestine, you can have as many talks as you want but the undertones never change.

 

[Tyrion]

Links that you may find interesting: **Links to stories about Muslims converting to Christianity**

Lol, okay, so your intentions have become increasingly clearer... But do you really want to play this game? For every story of a "muslim" who converted to Christianity, we can give you 10 stories of Christian ministers/preachers/laymen converting to Islam.

 

[Ramadhan]

thats harsh,
you cant post how we should say saw on all the prophets and then post that.
thats the world for you.

As far as I know, there is nothing in my post that is not true.
The only people who might find it harsh are those who believe that god comes down to earth as human, crying and suckling from the breasts of a virgin, regularly went to the loo doing #1 and #2, and died. You are not one of them, are you?

everybodies the same, say one thing..do another.
or is it justified to stoop to someone elses level?

Also, since you are good in not stooping to someone elses level, can you please for a change provide what you think is the correct response and provide refutations to their false accusations of Allah SWT, Muhammad SAW and Jesus (as)?

do not feed the trolls.

So what do you suggest we do with trolls like legal_alien? ban him?
Also, I find it VERY interesting that you NEVER speak up whenever non-muslims plastered false accusations against what we believe in, but when one of your brothers spoke the truth against them, you couldn't wait to get your indignants and sarcasm published.

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

So you don't believe in God?

Or Do christians only believe in God if they can see Him and if He goes to the toilet doing #1 and #2 and suckled from the breasts of a virgin and dies?

Yes, I agree; may Allah (Allah of Mohammed) have mercy on you all and keep you on the right path if he really exists.

I believe in God (or Allah, if you prefer) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; in the God, Allah of our Lord Jesus Christ; NOT in God (Allah) of Mohammed, NOT in Allah whom Mohammed proclaimed. This is NOT Allah of the (Old Testamental) Israelites (I know don’t agree with this, but this is to clarify you my believe). Please read my posts with attention.

 

[Ramadhan]

I believe in God (or Allah, if you prefer) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; in the God, Allah of our Lord Jesus Christ; NOT in God (Allah) of Mohammed, NOT in Allah whom Mohammed proclaimed. This is NOT Allah of the (Old Testamental) Israelites (I know don’t agree with this, but this is to clarify you my believe). Please read my posts with attention.

Well, then the God you believe in and worship is different from Allah (God) that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus, Muhammad (pbut) believed in.
Here's God that all those prophets (pbut) believed in:

Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.


Certainly, prophets Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and Muhammad (SAW) did not believe in the fictional pagan god that came down to earth, crying and suckling on the breasts of a virgin, relieved himself in the loo doing #1 and #2, asking for help when he was about the be tortured, and died.

Now tell me, since you believe Jesus (pbuh) was god and Mary (pbuh) as the mother of god, does this make the excrement and urine of Jesus (pbuh) holy and something that you christians worship?
Because if he were God, then all parts of him were also god, no?

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15):smile:

 

[Ramadhan]

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15)

Yes, Jesus (pbuh) in this verse spoke about christians for they are blind leaders of the blind.
Christians like you and amigo in this thread alone have proclaimed that you follow your priests and church leaders, and your priests and church leaders are blind, so you shall fall into the ditch.


So, open your eyes, and start believe in Allah that prophets Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and Muhammad (SAW) worship.
Stop worshiping a human, do not follow the ways of the devil.

 

[M.I.A.]

every child needs its mother, its not what you said its the way you said it.
it shows the highest disrespect towards that prophet pbuh.. and if anybody converts due to your answer.. well then your god and my god are not the same.

if every man, women and child on earth said they were muslim using your answers and point of view for refutation, then i would declare i am not a muslim.

if you cant see anything wrong with your answer then you are the most stupid of people and another reason why this world is lost to me, but there is one, and i know that you have been given more success than me.. so i conclude that allah swt is with you not me.

what can you do with legal_alien?
there is no want to change as he thinks his religion perfect as you consider yours perfect.
it is like a people constantly fighting and gaining no ground. every step forward you take is forgotten by tomorrow and it starts all over again.

if i blame anybody i blame god, your god and his god.. whatever you claim them to be.
and also my god.

false accusations are exactly that, you know them not to be true if not in your minds then in your hearts, if not in your hearts then your souls know how you have wronged yourselves for the sake a small victory.
..and in victory you can call for conversion right? that is the proof that you live by.

you are of those that would break a persons will and then say worship my god, what sincerity and understanding is there in that? but i guess that is what god requires, it bears no similarity to my god.

i would walk away from anybody that said bad words about any prophet pbut.. but then you would fail to understand why they said it in the first place.
nobody will come to you and say, hi im a christian and i love muhammed

but if by the time they walk away from you they can say that then i guess you have served your purpose..
but if they walk away saying love and spewing hate, then that is the path you have lead them to.

there will be people against you weather im there or not, but i was caned as a child to correct my mistakes.. so im returning the favor.

i would like to see you better than me,
and most of the time i think you already are.. the constant doubt is that your way IS the correct way and i am wrong.
my dad always tells me, they cant all be wrong..
usually after yet another spectacular fail on my part.

so yeah maybe im still caned.

disregard all iv said. i genuinely cant wait to get out of this place.

irl my research was never published, it went against the syllabus..
directed learning and research are not the same thing btw.

 

[Ramadhan]

it shows the highest disrespect towards that prophet pbuh.. and if anybody converts due to your answer.. well then your god and my god are not the same.

I believe that Allah created everything.

Apparently you don't believe in Allah as God, as in another thread about Sai Baba you saw nothing wrong with Sai Baba claiming he was God. Or should I remind you about that thread?
NO MUSLIM would ever say that Sai Baba was correct when he was claiming he was God. A christian might, as christians also claim that a middle eastern man born 2,000 years ago is god.

Also, where did I disrespect which prophet?
Please show me?
You cannot even write his name.

You see nothing wrong with christians actually debasing god, while getting all riled up when I pointed out at what christians actually believe in. How interesting.

you are of those that would break a persons will and then say worship my god, what sincerity and understanding is there in that? but i guess that is what god requires, it bears no similarity to my god.

I have been waiting for you to give sincerity and understanding to the non-muslims that come here, but instead you keep picking up fight with your fellow brother in Islam. I am still considering you as my brother in Islam, but judging by your sentence above where you implicitly claim that your god is not Allah, apparently you don't already.
you need to practice what you preach, brother.

At least I am not pretending I am all about peace and love and lets hold hands and sing kumbaya.

false accusations are exactly that, you know them not to be true if not in your minds then in your hearts, if not in your hearts then your souls know how you have wronged yourselves for the sake a small victory.
..and in victory you can call for conversion right? that is the proof that you live by.

And by being silent and not explaining them the truth will make them revert?
I have a canadian ex work colleague here in Jakarta who was a christian and reverted to Islam alhamdulillah after we spent few months debating and discussing religions and faith and christianity and Islam.
That is the proof I live by.
What is your proof?
You seem very sure that your way (ie. silence) is the only way to make non-muslims revert to Islam.

i would walk away from anybody that said bad words about any prophet pbut.. but then you would fail to understand why they said it in the first place. nobody will come to you and say, hi im a christian and i love muhammed

Nobody expects christians to claim they love Muhammad (SAW), I don't expect you do too.
But I am standing up when people plastered false accusation against my religion.
You would walk away when you hear anyone saying bad words about any prophets (pbut), but couldn't hold yourself from saying bad words against muslims?

but if by the time they walk away from you they can say that then i guess you have served your purpose..
but if they walk away saying love and spewing hate, then that is the path you have lead them to.

And you have converted how many christians to Islam?
Are you actually new to this forum or what?
Do you think I am giving the same response to all christians?

Have a browse through my posts here, and you'll be able to see how I respond differently to non-muslims who are here if they are genuinely interested in Islam, and what response that I give to those who are here to peddle their religions or to troll.
But of course you would refuse to acknowledge that I made numerous posts explaining Islam with kindness and in gentle manner to those who are genuine.

You would walk away when christians blaspheme Allah SWT and the prophets, but you couldn't stop yourself attacking your own brother in Islam for defending the prophets (pbut)?

I respect your decision to walk away, but you cannot respect my right to engage and defend my belief?

I have yet to see from you explaining anything or clarifying misconceptions about Islam that non-muslims put forth in this forum.

if you cant see anything wrong with your answer then you are the most stupid of people and another reason why this world is lost to me, but there is one, and i know that you have been given more success than me.. so i conclude that allah swt is with you not me.

I am actually glad you call me stupid.
May Allah be witness of this during the judgement day.

disregard all iv said. i genuinely cant wait to get out of this place.

Don't worry, I disregarded everything you said already.
All the best to you in your next endeavor.

 

[M.I.A.]

no more endeavors, i give up lol

i converted none at all so mine is definitely not the way. full stop.


i went to a mosque for friday prayer,
the imam told a story of a believing man who lost his camel in the desert. he camped down for the night and when he awoke it was gone.. he was hopeless and asked of god why this could have happened.
he lost everything he had and all provisions for his journey.

when he finally regained his senses..and probably after a nap. he found his camel after searching.
at this point he declared he was god and it was allah that served him.

allah forgave that man.

that was the imams story,

i think a little part of me gave up my belief that day.. that story did not agree with my interpretation of the quran and it did not bear resemblance to my understanding of god.

allah is witness to all things.

 

[Ramadhan]

i went to a mosque for friday prayer,
the imam told a story of a believing man who lost his camel in the desert. he camped down for the night and when he awoke it was gone.. he was hopeless and asked of god why this could have happened.
he lost everything he had and all provisions for his journey.

when he finally regained his senses..and probably after a nap. he found his camel after searching.
at this point he declared he was god and it was allah that served him.

allah forgave that man.

that was the imams story,

I am quite familiar with that hadith. It's either the imam did not recount the full story (and omitted few crucial details) and the wisdom behind that story or you were not paying too close attention when the imam was giving his khutbah.

In fact, if you search my posts. I have used that narration at least a couple of times in this forum when a member asked about Allah forgiveness.That story was narrated to show how pleased Allah when his slave repents.

Here's the hadith:

Sahih Muslim Book 37, Number 6610:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying : Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, said: I live in the thought of My servant and I am with him as he remembers Me. (The Holy Prophet) further said: By Allah, Allah is more pleased wth the repentance of His servant than what one of you would do on finding the lost camel in the waterless desert. When he draws near Me by the span of his hand. I draw near him by the length of a cubit and when he draws near Me by the length of a cubit. I draw near him by the length of a fathom and when he draws near Me walking I draw close to him hurriedly.


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Book 37, Number 6618:

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah is more pleased with the repentance of a servant as he turns towards Him for repentance than this that one amongst you is upon the camel in a waterless desert and there is upon (that camel) his provision of food and drink also and it is lost by him, and he having lost all hope (to get tbat) lies down in the shadow and is disappointed about his camel and there he finds that camel standing before him. He takes hold of his nosestring and then out of boundless joy says: 0 Lord, Thou art my servant and I am Thine Lord. He commits this mistake out of extreme delight.


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That man was SOOO happy that he found his camel complete with all the provision intact, and his tongue slipped out of sheer delight, instead of saying "You are my Lord, and I am your servant" as he had intended, he said the opposite". This story was narrated in vividly so we all can feel the extreme happiness of that man, and Allah SWT is MORE pleased than what that man felt whenever any of his slave repent and return to Him SWT.

i think a little part of me gave up my belief that day.. that story did not agree with my interpretation of the quran and it did not bear resemblance to my understanding of god.

That man who lost his camel did NOT lose his belief.
Or are you saying you were in sheer delight of joy when you agree that Sai Baba was God and that was just a slip of your tongue (or your hand since it was in writing)?

And that was not the only time.
Around two years ago you also mentioned that Qur'an taught trinity.
There are others also where you said things completely against qur'an and sunnah.

 

[Ramadhan]

I still can't figure out why you are so upset that you called me the most stupid person when I said Christians believe in God who came down to earth as a helpless baby, crying and suckling from the breasts of a virgin, went to the loo to relieve himself and cried for help when about to be crucified, and died?

Can you please tell me is that not the god that christians worship?

Let me remind you of a story of prophet Ibrahim (as) as narrated by Allah SWT in the Qur'an:

The people of Ibrahim (as) were so entrenched in their belief of worshiping idols and only followed the religion of their forefathers that they couldn't even think for themselves why their idols couldn't have been god. So in order to put sense into these people, Ibrahim (as) destroyed all statues and idols but one (the biggeest idol) and put the hammer that he used to destroy other idols on the biggest statue. The next day, when Ibrahim (as) was arrested he said that the biggest statue was the one who destroyed the others, the people didn't believe him because it was not logical at all.

Now, the same thing with christians. Christians (early scribes who made changes into gospels and claimed they are from God) invented flowery, complicated language to mask the truth and current christians are only parroting their priests/pastors/etc and predecessors without stopping for one second to think for themselves. Those who think and realize the ridiculousness of mangod and trinity and read bible with more attention either became atheists, agnostics or reverted to Islam (if they also read the Qur'an).

Maybe just like the people of Ibrahim (as), christians do not mind to worship God who humiliated himself and got humiliated by human (losing a wrestling match with Jacob as and impaled on a cross), but hopefully some of them will realize the impossibility and ridiculousness of God that did all of those.

Anyway, even if I said that (which I did not) prophet Jesus (pbuh) was born as a helpless baby, suckling from the breasts of a virgin, etc etc. why would it have demeaned him (pbuh)?
He is human, even if he is among the most noble, and all humans do things things, unless you think otherwise.
If you are not familiar, in the ahadeeth, there are also accounts of prophet Muhammad SAW went to the loo, doing istinja' and taharah. It shows he is human and he set best examples and guidance in every aspect of human life.

You know what is demeaning?
bible, that is.
It contains story such as god losing wrestling match to a human, a prophet (pbuh) had sex with his own daughters and had babies who were also his grandchildren astgahfirullah. not to mention enough erotic stories to make a harlot from babylon blush.

 

[M.I.A.]

to you an idol is a graven image that is claimed to represent god.

to me it is a tablet with the graven image of a calf, i held it between my fingers and thought for a moment.

what use are idols?

another part of me gave up my religion that day.

and in the space of a day, everything that i had thought was written for me was taken away.

i gave up my career.

people lead and people follow its that simple. all credit to sai baba.. finding provision is a hard thing to do.

i look at people like zakir naik and think that they are the path to heaven really.. there is no arguing with that guy, he knows everything.

much like yourself.

like i said, i quit.. i just need the resolve to actually keep walking away.

the whole place is just so fake.

the quran says that fighting is prescribed for you, unfortunately neither am i capable or willing anymore.

if i have blasphemed i guess it has been made apparent by my situation.

 

[Ramadhan]

to you an idol is a graven image that is claimed to represent god.

When did I ever say idol is a graven image that is claimed to represent god?

I might have said the reverse: that a graven image that is claimed to represent god IS an idol.

You might have not known the difference, as you consider me the most stupid person,

Please don't be like christians: put words in someone's mouth, and in the christians case, they put words into prophet Jesus (as) mouth so to speak.

to me it is a tablet with the graven image of a calf, i held it between my fingers and thought for a moment.

Christians also think that idols are calf, not the images and statues and likenesses of dead or alive people that they worship.
But we know in the Qur'an the people of Ibrahim (as) also worshiped idols, and all the throughout history many nations as well (which are narrated in the Qur'an and ahadeeth), and then the quraish had 360 idols of all kinds of their gods placed inside ka'bah that prophet Muhammad SAW commanded to be destroyed.
You might not have liked living during prophet Muhammad SAW as you idol would have gotten destroyed.

what use are idols?

Only idols worshiper can answer it. So ask some christians.

another part of me gave up my religion that day.

What religion was it?

people lead and people follow its that simple. all credit to sai baba.. finding provision is a hard thing to do.

Astaghfirullah.
All praise to Allah SWT and all provisions is from Him alone.

i look at people like zakir naik and think that they are the path to heaven really

zakir naik claimed he is the path to heaven?
Proof please.
All muslims must believe that following Qur'an and sunnah is the path to jannah and I have NEVER heard zakir naik claimed he is the path to heaven, because otherwise that would have made him a musryk.
May Allah be witness to this during Judgement day.

You get upset easily when muslims pointing out at the errors of christians and yet you are plastering lies left and right against muslims. How pathetic.

much like yourself.

When did I ever say I am the path to heaven?

Please keep continuing your lies against me.
May Allah be witness to this during Judgement day.

like i said, i quit.. i just need the resolve to actually keep walking away.

riiiight.
Didn't I just hear something like not long ago?

the whole place is just so fake.

does this mean you are fake?

the quran says that fighting is prescribed for you, unfortunately neither am i capable or willing anymore.

Qur'an verse please.
And don't be so dramatic, you seem to be enjoying this.

if i have blasphemed i guess it has been made apparent by my situation.

You keep saying things you claimed from the Qur'an which are proven false.

 

[Abz2000]

acually M.I.A it is Allah (swt) who mentions the human qualities of Jesus (pbuh) as arguments for us to reflect on:

"Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger;
many were the messengers that passed away before him.
His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food.
See how God makes His signs clear to them;
yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5:75).

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It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son.
Glory be to Him!
When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is"
(19:30-35).

When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
58. And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people.
59. He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel.
60. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth.
61. And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
(43:57-61)
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Say: "If The Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship."
82. Glory to the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne (of Authority)! (He is free) from the things they attribute (to him)!
Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "(Allah) hath begotten a son":No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!Thou wouldst only, perchance, fret thyself to death, following after them in grief, if they believe not in this.
Quran 18:4-6

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They say: "The Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
89. Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
90. At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
91. That they should invoke a son for The Most Gracious.
92. For it is not consonant with the majesty of ((Allah)) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
93. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to ((Allah)) Most Gracious as a servant.
94. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly.
95. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment.
Quran 19

The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allaah, nor the angels who are near.
And whosoever rejects His worship and is arrogant, then He will gather them all together unto Himself.
(An-Nisa 4:172)


Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted?
and I will not give my glory unto another.
Isaiah 48:10-11


My question to illegal alien is:
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS (PBUH) WAS A SERVANT OF GOD?
OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE (PBUH) WAS GOD WHO CAME DOWN (ASTAGHFIRULLAH) AS HIS OWN SERVANT?
OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE (PBUH) WAS AN UNEQUAL DEMI-GOD?
(GOD FORGIVE THEM - FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SAY)

 

[Ramadhan]

After some unnecessary detour, let's go back on topic.

Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.
Some Christians see the Qur'an as an attempt to add to the Word of God.

Now, how could christians see that Qur'an is an attempt to add to the Word of God?

Let's scrutinize that verse in its own right, carefully and with critical eyes:

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it

So God forbis us humans to add or subtract to what He has commanded, but God did not forbid himself to add or subtract his commands for humans.

Now muslims believe that Qur'an is 100% literal word of God, so this means Deuteronomy 4:2 doe snot apply to Qur'an.
Meanwhile, even christians in this forum (Pastor Grace seeker and Amigo among others) have explicitly said that bible is not word of god. And we know that half of new testament was written by a human named saul of tarsus, and many of old testament were authored by scribes/rabbis/parishs who were not prophets, and they added and subtracted to the commands of God. For example, while Jesus (pbuh) said (in accordance to Deuteronomy 4:2):

Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill. (Matthew 5:17)

But of course, instead of actually reading the verses and the commands as they are and obey them, christians would do series of mental, verbal acrobatic and create lengthy convoluted flowery words to try to convince themselves that most commands of God do not apply to them anymore, and they are free to choose which commands they believe in and which ones to follow.

As we can see now, Islam is the only religion that guards the purity of God's commands, and attempts to change otherwise have always been thwarted. The strongest absolute evidence: The 100% preservation of Qur'an.
On the other hand, is there even any christian on the face of the earth that can confidently say that they are following actual 100% teachings of Jesus (pbuh)?

So the deuteronomy 4:2 verse is actually ****ing against christianity and bible and actually supports that Islam is the truth, as muslims do not add and subtract to the Word of God and muslims keep the commands of God (SWT).

 

[Predator]

Let's scrutinize that verse in its own right, carefully and with critical eyes:

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it

So God forbis us humans to add or subtract to what He has commanded, but God did not forbid himself to add or subtract his commands for humans.

And Also the below verse
"...If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

But who cares! They do not really believe! The protestants have bravely expunged seven whole books from their Book of God!

The outcasts are:

The Book of Judith
The Book of Tobias
The Book of Baruch
The Book of Esther
Wisdom of solomon
Maccabees 1
Maccabees 2

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[Amigo]

And Also the below verse
"...If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

What 'Book' do you suppose this verse is referring to?