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Under the Sharia in a Islamic State would Christians allowed to believe Jesus is God/

Under the Sharia in a Islamic State would Christians be allowed to believe Jesus is God/God's Son ? As long as they don't try to convert Muslims and try to get Muslims leave Islam ? What about other Religions besides Judaism and Christianity under Sharia ?
 
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"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
(Quran 109:6)

Non-Muslims are allowed to believe their belief as long as they don't try to convert Muslims and try to get Muslims leave Islam.
 
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Technically, you were allowed to be atheist under the Caliphate as long as you paid taxes and didn't try to convert Muslims.
 
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Yes, under the Islamic state, Christians were allowed to practice in their own way while the prophet pbuh was here and during the reign of the caliphs.

This was the argument given to prophet muhammad pbuh:
59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

60. The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

61. If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"

62. This is the true account: There is no god except Allah. and Allah.He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
Quran chapter 3

However- under prophet Jesus pbuh, it will be different,
It will be made clear to people that he is a servant.
And I'm sure you agree that he has the best right to tell people that he is a servant and not God,
And that he has a right to tell people not to worship him.
After the tyranny people will experience before him,
We are told that he will break everything that is worshipped other than almighty God - including the cross.
War will also be done away with and the whole earth shall be filled with knowledge of God and peace,
 
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Boaz said:
Technically, you were allowed to be atheist under the Caliphate as long as you paid taxes and didn't try to convert Muslims.
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Muslims who able to pay zakat should pay zakat. Non-Muslims who able to pay jizyah (non-Muslims tax) should pay jizyah.

Muslims who not able to pay zakat do not need to pay zakat. Non-Muslims who not able to pay jizyah do not need to pay jizyah.

Imam Malik and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, there is no minimum and maximum limit in jizyah, it's depend on the local Muslim ruler policy. However, Muslim ruler are not allowed to draw jizyah more than someone's ability. It's based on a hadith that forbid Muslim ruler to draw jizyah more than someone's ability.
 
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Is there any Hadith that says that no non-Muslims are allowed on the streets of Mecca or Medina? I can understand the Masjid al-Haram and the Mosque of the Prophet (forgot the Arabic name), but why not a residential neighborhood or a store or an office building to work? I mean, there can be police or security outside the Mosques to make sure those who enter are real Muslims like seeing their passports or some kind of identification.
 
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Is a Monarchy System King and Queen and Royal Family allowed in Islam/Sharia/Caliphat

Is a Monarchy System King and Queen and Royal Family allowed in Islam/Sharia/Caliphate ? Is Anjem Choudary right or correct that a Monarchy System is not allowed in Islam ? If he is wrong where did he get the idea that a Monarchy System is not allowed from ?

[h=2]Islamic perspective on the Royal Wedding[/h]Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:19


The idea and concept of a monarchy is a complete anathema to Islam and Muslims who believe that the right to legislate belongs to God alone, who believe that Allah is sovereign and not a man or woman and who believe that all Human beings are created equal and slaves to their creator not to a family.

http://www.anjemchoudary.com/press-releases/islamic-perspective-on-the-royal-wedding
 
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Monarchy is not allowed under Islam.
 
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abz2000 said:
Yes, under the Islamic state, Christians were allowed to practice in their own way while the prophet pbuh was here and during the reign of the caliphs.
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This is exactly my understanding as well that Christians would be allowed to practice their religion.

This is in direct contrast to the fear mongering that I listened to by an anti-Islam antagonist Usama Dakdok where he was saying that if Islam became prevalent in USA there would be no more Christianity because "Muslims are commanded to kill the infidel."
 
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There's an Egyptian Christian guy running for presidency who wants to fully implement sharia'a I am not sure what to think of that ^o)
 
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Boaz said:
Is there any Hadith that says that no non-Muslims are allowed on the streets of Mecca or Medina? I can understand the Masjid al-Haram and the Mosque of the Prophet (forgot the Arabic name), but why not a residential neighborhood or a store or an office building to work? I mean, there can be police or security outside the Mosques to make sure those who enter are real Muslims like seeing their passports or some kind of identification.
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Well? Can someone please answer?
 
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Non-Muslims aren't allowed in the harmain, however, there are plenty of non-Muslims living in KSA otherwise. England labels ahmadis under Muslims which they're not so they enter freely but they shouldn't because they're not Muslims..
It is difficult to accommodate pilgrims some countries like China make it near impossible for their Muslims to make pilgrimage practically ten years if at all to issue a visa, it is a religious rite and not a tourist attraction so they've strict rules which compass many categories even like immunization for swine flu and what not..

best,
 
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I know of no hadith about non-Muslims in Mecca or Medina; however, I concur with Ukhti BlueBell's point that visit there is all about worship and not about tourism. Having made hajj last year and visiting both cities, I greatly appreciated the modest dress of the women with ALL of them covered except their face and hands. I saw no magazines in shops with scantily clad women on the cover and I did not see a single can of beer for sale. Even though I couldn't communicate with a large number of the people I met with other than "Assalamu alaikum" I felt completely at home and welcome as a Muslim. Particularly in Mecca there was a mass movement of people 5 times a day going to and from the masjid for prayer. It reminded me of the ebb and flow of the ocean tide. It was good to not be distracted by the presence of non-Muslims while I was there. I noticed a distinct difference just a few miles away in the Jordan airport as it almost seemed as though I was back in USA.
 
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Alcohol and scantily clad women aren't allowed in KSA except in foreigner compounds which belong to the UN. But when the residents of Mecca and Medina don't worship, they go to work, study in school, buy food. Saudi Arabia is generally is not very tourist friendly from what I read. It's seems like foreigners generally go there either to work or to worship (if Muslims). And non-Muslim women who do visit follow the rule "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" (they cover up). The two sacred Mosques are holy, but what's holy about an oil company or an English class in a university? Outside the Mosques, these are just cities.
 
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There is no separation in Islam, every good act is service to God, even if it is feeding your family,

Did you read this?

22And I saw no temple therein:
for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth,
neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:
but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelation 27
 
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Boaz said:
Saudi Arabia is generally is not very tourist friendly from what I read.
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I have lived in KSA and the Americans who were there, were very happy, they went swimming in their bikinis and everything their debauched hearts desired in their lavish corporate apartments. it generally suited Mormons the best and we've known a few of them.
I have also traveled extensively throughout the middle and far east & Europe and can tell you for a fact that, the most unfriendly & unwelcoming places for tourists or otherwise were European countries and the U.S. in fact they'd vacillate between overt perversion & frank hostility ..

best,
 
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ßlµêßêll said:
and everything their debauched hearts desired in their lavish corporate apartments
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lololololllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Boaz said:
Outside the Mosques, these are just cities.
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Not quite. It is not just the mosques that are sanctuaries. The city of Makkah around the Sacred Mosque, and some areas just outside that, up to several kilometers in every direction is a sacred Haram (sanctuary). The mosque is the first level. The next level of the Haram, or sanctuary, is the circle formed by boundaries marked in/around Makkah, as shown:

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People living within this circle are named as 'Ahlul-Haram' (the people of the sacred place). All of this area is classed as sacred.

For the first time Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) under the guidance of Jibrail (peace be upon him) demarcated the boundaries of the Haram of Makkah and fixed stone markers on the boundary lines.

After the conquest of Makkah, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) sent Tameem bin Asad Khazaie to renew the boundaries of the Haram of Makkah. 943 markers were fixed on the boundary lines some of which were on mountains and some were in the valleys. Most of the markers have disappeared now and cannot be seen these days. The boundaries of the Haram of Makkah can be recognised from marks at prominent points such as Arafat, Al-tan'eem etc.

Apart from these there is another level called the mawaaqeet, which is the boundary from where pilgrims intending on entering Makkah for pilgrimage must don their ihram (pilgrimage sheets).

Non-Muslims can enter into the mawaqeet area, but not into the next level, which is the sanctuary of Makkah itself.

There are certain things that even Muslims cannot do in Makkah, such as cutting down it's naturally growing trees, or to pull out it's shrubs, to take lost property, to hunt etc.
 
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Re: A question about the Prophet Muhammad being unlettered ?

The Quran is a linguistic miracle and filled with poetic splendor though it isn't a poetry book, the prophet (PBUH) along with the Quran gave us ahadiths in a completely different style text.. So an unlettered man has provided us with everyday wisdom (sunnah) and a comprehensible account of a book whose language is and message is transcendent (Quran) is a testament to his prophet hood however the Quran in and of itself is so magnificent there was a time when some people worshiped it as a living entity of words.. which is a type of shirk of course.

Since every prophet was given means to testify to the divine power of Allah through means the people of the time would understand. Moses (PBUH) came upon a people entranced with magic, Jesus (PBUH) came upon a people into medicine and healing and prophet Mohammed (PBUH) came upon a people of eloquence they'd have contests of poetry that would be displayed upon the kaaba, and the best of poets and writers of his time and anytime weren't able to produce a chapter akin to it even if it were as small as three verses to be comparable to the shortest sura in the Quran, suret al'kawthar.

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